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Maybe it's just them applying the white man's 'controversy sells' principle to Sikh studies? Obviously they learned this from the master (McLeod) himself. It's sad because, as Amardeep suggests, some of the research is quite interesting and even insightful, then they almost invariably drop some seriously speculative antiSikh idea in. It's like they are trying to sandwich the poison in the middle of good stuff thinking we are going to swallow it up that way? What were the four sources used in that dissertation btw Amardeep? I guess, Gursobha & Sewa Das Parchian were in there, what were the other two?

I like the way you keep quiet about the reviewer. I went from excited to disgusted in a matter of seconds......lol Read that first article by Mann and thought is was crap. Yet another attempt to transpose one's caste onto the faith, this time not even sparing Guru Nanak......if I thought McLeod was bad, this geezer is even worse. I think I'm going to give that journal a wide berth.

It's just a joke incase anyone gets funky about it!

Huh! They give one out free....and it's about McLeod.... Fittay moo onadey! lol If anyone ever gets hold of that one about Dasmesh Pita...hook a brother up...... On a related note there is a book I've been after for years but have never managed to get hold of. It's an autobiography of dasmesh pita by J.S.Grewal and S.S. Bal (I think). Anyone ever read it? PS - Ever since I read Lou Fenech's Book on Sikh Shaheeds years ago, I've always felt he was a top class fudhu.

Your focusing on the finger means you can't see the moon it points towards......glasshopper

megalol @

Spoke too soon, feeling sleepy again......

That story was cool Silence! Today is the first day I haven't conked out in the daytime after keeping an Amritvela. Hopefully will stay awake during Rehras in a bit... I just had a cup of green tea (for health reasons) but I'll have a proper normal cuppa now to wake me up.....

Two reasons mainly in my opinion. Firstly because Anglos have a policy of using multicultural poster boys (and girls) to make out like their society isn't racist. Secondly because I believe they are still under the illusion that apnay today are like the ones of yore that helped them do their imperialist dirty work so well. They have a big shock coming in that respect.... Very true and other less pendufied quoms have been untangling and fathoming out just how whites have messed with their minds and history, society and cultures. Try reading up on Edward Said and other post-colonial literature. Hell, even African-American descendants of slaves have a strong independent literature movement to ween their people of white propaganda and issues. As ever, our lot are well behind in this respect. Open your eyes KDS.

Nice to put a face to a name. Here is a painting of Venceslas Victor Jacquemont du Donjon (taken without permission from The Lions's Firanghis by Bobby Singh Bansal). Another interesting quote by Jacquemont, haven't checked to see if I previously posted this, so forgive the repetition if I have:

Well, the mind is certainly working when sleeping hence dreams and the way you sometimes wake up to find solutions to problems you've been trying to solve, or understand something you've been trying to figure out but couldn't. My guess is that if someone does hefty amounts of simran and largely automates the practice, the unconscious/subconscious mind gets effected and may well carry on doing what the conscious mind has been doing? But that supposes that we get some sort of control over that mechanism that seems to continually create and project thoughts into our conscious stream. Something I find next to impossible. Right now, it's like the 'thought generator' (is it haumai?) has fathomed out how to pierce my focus after having been thwarted for a short while when I first started trying to meditate?? I know brothers here have already told me that the bar goes up significantly and suddenly after initial progress when we first start these things but boy, that mind of mine just keeps on rabbiting more than ever. I was thinking, a large part of it obviously stems from issues or things you have to deal with or things that bother you (judging by passively examining some of the thought streams). Does this ever stop?

My point is that I personally find the data in this piece to be full of potential flaws for myriad reasons. I don't think it can be trusted to represent ground level realities myself. It's just a personal opinion, that's all.

That's seriously funny. It implies one is talking to someone incapable of thought provoking conversation (which is probably true for too many people actually...) hee hee I'm trying the napping thing in the afternoons sometimes (as I have the time these days) and find I am frequently conking out for hours on end!

I'm just wondering how well this reflects perceptions of Sikhs on the west coast of Canada or is it just the usual Anglocentric drivel? http://whiteamerica.us/index.php/articles/articles/the_sikhs_of_vancouver/

Whilst we can't do much about the abuse of our contributions in taxes for the pseudo-imperialist agenda here. We do have much more choice in whether we physically or vocally support army backed aggression abroad. Wake up to that KDS. With India it would be interesting to actually find out if today's generation of Panjabi villagers are as keen to join the army as their forefathers were? I know some of the freshies that came here as students recently were encouraged to join the army with the homeless problems they experienced and apparently most couldn't pass the army fitness tests? You need to do a lot more research on the effects of Anglo colonialism on Panjabi society/psyche.

Had to google Godwin's law. lol But seriously Tony. If hypothetically white European society opened up concentration camps for sullay, you do come across as someone who would relish the job of a prisoner camp guard given the opportunity. One I dare say, who would perform his job in a most inhumane and brutal manner. Maybe we got you all wrong but that's the impression you give? Plus fess up. You know you are a closet BNP supporter.

I fully agree with you here. Look at the most common euphemism "izaat loot". So a raped women has been 'robbed of her honour'. We all know how important this whole izzat thing can be with apnay and to say someone has looted this is no small thing. It is natural that people would want to hide such a thing. Also consider the after effects in terms of marriage prospects for the women in a society that values chastity arguably to extremes. So there is good reasons for an Indian women and her family would hide such an event. No? In contrast, the culture in the Uk is vehemently against rape. Even in prisons sex offenders usually have to be segregated from the other prisoners because of the real threat of violent attacks on them for their offenses by other inmates.

I don't think you've grasped what my last post was saying?

Whatever man. I know what you are mate, scratch the surface and you got a regular sly peasant whose tongue smells a bit too much like English arse.

Seriously, I wouldn't give a fart if what was being said was true. In any case I don't really identify with my caste, I try to be a Khalsacentric in my thinking in this respect. All farmers should try it too, just for a few weeks to see what it is like. Seriously. It's good to disidentify with such things and if you can't do it permanently, try for short periods and just see how it alters your worldview. Try it like a psychology experiment. It may give you new insights? You don't have to stick to it permanently, just see how it is. It may expand your mind? In anycase, we need to be heavily critical of ourselves. Much worse happens down the line when we aren't, trust me. Look at how pakis are getting it in the media now for being perverts because they kept ignoring the issue for God knows how long. See it as an internal cleansing mechanism. We put the boot in to keep things in check amongst ourselves. Right now, Jatt boys seem to be behaving like spoilt pseudo-nazi supremacists and any idiot can tell these notions were planted into them by whitey, for obvious self serving purposes. Someone needs to bring the jatt brothers minds back to earth and their tongues out of whiteys arse. DO you know Singh Sabha Gurdwaras (synonymous with jatts) here are letting whites use their Gurdwaras as recruiting grounds for their corrupted army?

There must be balance in the force....

No way Amardeep! I'm doing the polar opposite to what you instigated earlier when you said you were going to work in the word 'jat' into whatever you can at every opportunity. lol To balance things out, I'm going to put the boot into the white arse licking, jumped up, rapist peasants at will. It's ying and yang.

I think the data is heavily skewed KDS. A lot of third world countries have a conservative code that frequently means rape victims are stigmatised and blamed afterwards in some way. Especially in brown countries. So the impetus to actual report the offense is diminished and the levels being reported are not any sort of reflection of the actual occurrence of rapes in that society. Think about it. Power differentials play a part too. If you're a poor girl in say India and you get raped by some son of a big shot, police are unlikely to give a shit. Plus your family will be shamed, so you keep it quiet. In this respect the western nations you mention, who have managed to destigmatise the offense for women have a much higher reported rate. The truth is probably that the real figures of conservative nations are infinitely higher than the western ones. Even the western ones are most likely only a partial representation of the real rate.

You and I both know that Moghuls were a spent force by then. In anycase forget history, it is abject Anglo arselicking by apnay today that is something we can do something about. Just stop doing it. That Jatt inferiority complex thing to goray must stop before you become their he-bitches of choice again.

It's a quagmire. No side is willing to admit ANY wrongdoing on their part. I know for a fact some dodgy blokes got involved with the movement later on and did some messed up stuff. Sure, government plants did this in a big way too, but not everyone who tainted the movement was a government plant. Too many apnay who are proKhalistan are unable to critically analyse events and see where the movement went wrong in terms of discipline and coordination between kharkoos. Then you have the issue of the language used by Sant ji in describing Hindus and their leaders. We can understand it being Panjabis and Sikh but when you translate this to the wider world they will just see it as a ranting fanatic due to their preconceptions and conditioning. With Bhagat Singh, the issue is more clearcut. He was against a foreign occupation of his nation. He saw beyond religious boundaries and his physical appearance too doesn't send shivers down the west's paranoid spine, as many of them have now been conditioned to view armed, bearded and turbaned men as the antithesis of whatever the hell they stand for. So yes, it's no surprise that Bhagat Singh would get more attention given these things.