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See, we complain about everyone else but fail to see our own failures sometimes. Things like this put arguments about the Dasam Granth into its true perspective.

Looks like big lumps of marijuana!! lol PS - I know it isn't

That was a really special day for me. Did I post the presentation I made from that day here? I really love the black & & blue smokey images!

I'm not anti, I'm not pro. But your arguments are weak.

Where is this from??

I don't know, a lot of the Dasam Granth seems to be reworkings of pre-existing mythology/folk stories. For all we know the collection could be literature from the time of Guru Gobind Singh including compositions by him as well as others he commissioned? For instance the Chandi sections are apparently reworkings of Markandeya purana. Can anyone also explain why the Chadhi stories are provided in both a Panjabi version as well as Braj ones please? Could this not indicate a desire to make such literature accesible to the masses? Hikayats HIKAYAT is the title given to the eleven tales, in Persian verse but in GURMUKHI letters, in the Dasam GRANTH, immediately after the Zafamamah. The title `Hikayat` does not occur in the actual text, but most of the tales have a verse, coming after two or three invocational lines in the beginning, which contains the phrase ` hikdyat shumdem` (we have heard the story of...). Hikdyat, being the plural of Hikdyat (story, tale), is adopted as the title for these tales. Each tale is meant to emphasize a moral lesson. The subject matter of the tales is in keeping with the literary taste and style of medieval India and ranges from the romantic and chivalrous to the fantastic and the macabre. Six of these eleven tales are Hindi tales retold in Persian. Hikayat 4 is Chritra 52 of the Chritropdkhydn, where an intrepid ran? defeats the obdurate Raja Subhat SINGH in battle in order to marry him. Hikayat 5 is the Persian version of Chritra 267. Some other stories from Chritropdkhydn have likewise found their way into these hikdyat. All the verses as well as hikdyatsare numbered, but hikdyat one is not traceable. The first talc which comes after the Zafarndmah is numbered two. Some scholars have suggested that Zafamamah proper should be treated as hikdyat number one while others give number one to the first four verses occurring at the beginning of hikdyat two. These verses arc in praise of God and are mainly in Sanskritised Braj. http://www.sikhiwiki.org/index.php/Hikayats

I'm not sure. But judging by more accepted compositions i.e. Akal Ustat, Jaap Sahib, maybe they did not use a pen name at all? PS - Is it even a remote possibility that some of the compositions in Dasam Granth was by some of the court poets in Guru Gobind Singh's darbar?

I haven't heard that Guru Ji called himself by these pen names? What do other people know about this that I don't?

What makes people draw this conclusion? Why do you think it is Dasmesh Pita?

Truth is, it is mostly so-called "upper catse" Sikhs that push these people away, but people in the west are in denial of this. If you saw how they are often treated back home, you would hang your head in shame. I mean, what if say English people tried to treat us that way in the UK! The biggest threat to Sikhs is not the government or deras but themselves!

Have to say though, I have come across early references to Sikhs as Nanak Panthis. Can't exactly remember where though.

Read A New World. It was awesome!

Ishraqi (1) What is taghooti? (2) Is there any online place I can get the classic literature you mention (English translations)? I think Firdausi was quoted in Zafar Nama.

You know I've always wanted to learn Parsi! One day!

Whoops found something! Ignore last post!

Is anything in English?

Read anything by Che Guevera. Esp Motorcycle diaries, Guerilla Warfare, Bolivian Diaries (written just before he was killed) Animal Farm - George Orwell (Explains why movements go wrong using animal analogy, must read!) Papillon - Henri Charrière Classics: To kill a mockingbird This link will take you to reviews of various Sikh related books: http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/sikhism-book-reviews/

Be thankful you got through college then!

When I grow up...I want to be just like them. Brruuuuaaaahhh!!

Some people might be frustrated that they cannot get at people like Brar, KPS Gill, Tytler and so take their anger out on an easier target....being the soormey they are....

Thanks for highlighting. Shame of Panjab! We have become a nation of kuri maars!

If we ever get over this caste thing, we will need them to teach us how to live without the baggage!!

Panjabis can be morons at times....well quite often actually....

Q: How do you eat an elephant? A: One bite at a time. Personally I would look at character first. For a boy ot would be straight forwardness, bravery, intelligence and loyalty. How they carry themselves. The main arena here is the family arena in my opinion. That is where the stupidity stems from in the first place and that is where it will ultimately be changed.

I've seen jerks in my own family do it!! If there ever was a time to face this crap and battle it, it is now.