shaheediyan Posted October 19, 2009 Report Share Posted October 19, 2009 I missed that part, with all due respect, that seems like a very 'limited' thought. The whole world is sacred, where ever our Guru is seated (Gurbani) that place is sacred (more so). I am surprised at these comments to be honest. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HSD1 Posted October 19, 2009 Report Share Posted October 19, 2009 Post 39 on that link is hilarious: '...many women (male and female)...' !? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antharjaame Posted October 20, 2009 Report Share Posted October 20, 2009 (edited) It does become problmatic when we start comparing Gurmukhs, because i dont believe anyone would lie intentionally, maybe mis heard kes as one word when ki is said after. Also, as far as im aware all Mahapursh's have the same view on this issue and it is only those who dont believe in sant, mahapurshs conviently decide to take a different stance. Sant Jarnial Singh ji had darshen of Mata Sahib Kaur, so surely if kes-ki was an issue they would have known. Edited October 20, 2009 by Antharjaame 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nirankar Bani Posted November 13, 2009 Report Share Posted November 13, 2009 ide rather take the word of the guru and his bani and puratan rehitnameh then a guy called bhai rama singh. i sure bramgianis would have clicked on aswell if keski was a kakkar lol 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xylitol Posted November 13, 2009 Report Share Posted November 13, 2009 you've misunderstood the word partakh. Partakh means in real life, like if you're standing in front of me, we can say i am having partakh darshan of you. darshan in a dream is NOT considered partakh. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chatanga1 Posted November 17, 2009 Report Share Posted November 17, 2009 partakh means " to leave no doubt" or shanka in anyones mind. its something that is blatant, undisputable etc. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PAL 07 Posted January 5, 2010 Report Share Posted January 5, 2010 read Gurpratap Suraj Prakash Granth - Guru Nanak Dev Ji tells Bhai Mardana that he must never cut his hair and that it is a kakaar. Read Dasam Granth - Guru Gobind Singh Ji states kes is kakaar Go to Anandpur Sahib - the place where the Khalsa was created is called Keshgarh Sahib not keskigarh. KESKI IN NOT KAKAAR BUT IF SOMEBODY TIES IT THEN THATS NOT A BAD THING 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antharjaame Posted January 20, 2010 Report Share Posted January 20, 2010 (edited) The words of Guru Gobind Singh Ji in PERTAKH form to Bhai Rama Singh Ji: "Take Amrit and be initiated as a Singh. Your mission will be to promote Amrit baptism in many countries." "I have given the Khalsa 5 kakars - kachera, kara, kirpan, kanga and keski. The Sikh Panth and the Khalsa do not follow my directive. Some have modified the fifth kakar from kes-ki to kes. You are ordered not to give Amrit in the baptism ceremony unless keski in included as one of the 5 kakars." "The coming of Khalsa Raj is inevitable. But, only when the Khalsa follows my guidance. Rehat, the code of conduct for the Sikhs, is more important to me than a Sikh. During the Khalsa Raj, spiritual guidance will be mine and the Panj Pyaare will give the lead. Punjab will become like heaven, a part of Sachkhand, the Plane of Truth, i.e God's country. The Khalsa institution of Panj Pyaare will head every local community." Taken from another forum: If bring mahapursh into this listen to katha of Giani Thakur Singh ji he says Rampurkerawale Mahapursh recieved darsan of Guru Arjan Dev ji himself and asked him Raagmala is bani. Maharaaj repied it is bani and said dont do shanka. The katha's from the barsi check out paji. Edited January 20, 2010 by Antharjaame 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PAL 07 Posted January 20, 2010 Report Share Posted January 20, 2010 IN DASAM GRANTH MAHARAAJ CLEARLY STATES IN SIMPLE LANGUAGE THAT KESH IS THE MOOL KAKAAR AND THEN GURUJI MENTIONS THE OTHER 4 AND THEN GOES ON TO SAY THAT BEING SEPERATED FROM THESE ONE IS NOT FORGIVEN. NO OTHER MAHAPURKH EVER HAS MENTIONED THE WORD KESKI NEVER MIND IT BEING A KAKAAR... SO WHY DO PEOPLE TALK OF BHAI RAMA SINGH - WHO WAS A ABYASI SIKH BUT NOT BRAHMGYANI. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarjasDevi Posted January 21, 2010 Report Share Posted January 21, 2010 As far as I am aware the Sri Sarbloh Granth Sahib Ji reference to kes is as a MUDRA, not a kakkar, or am I wrong? I have not read Shri Sarbloh Granth Sahib Ji. But it makes sense if this is true because the jogis tied kes in a topknot over the dasam duaar to form a protective seal/mudra where the kes was energized with praan by practices of pranayama, kriyas and mantra japa. That is the purpose of a joora. The kes itself forms the mudra, not the keski, because the NAAM vibrates in the kes. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaheediyan Posted January 21, 2010 Report Share Posted January 21, 2010 Harjas Kaur, the treh mudrai in Sri Sarbloh Granth Sahib Ji are Kes, Kirpan and Kachera. They are the core kakaars - as Kara compliments/protects the kirpan/fighting hand of the Singh and the Kanga maintain and keep clean the Kes. Keski as kakaar is not even worth talking about, its was simply an invention by Bhasauria. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarjasDevi Posted January 22, 2010 Report Share Posted January 22, 2010 Keski as kakaar is not even worth talking about, its was simply an invention by Bhasauria. I used to wear a keski. I think purpose of keski and dastaar is valid, to insulate the praanic currrent, protect the kes and head from battle injuries, cover hairs and show reverence for the Divine always. However, it is not appropriate to make mandatory for bibia. Purataan frescoes primarily show ladies wearing....haha, yes, jewelry and saris. I think some sampradaya have all gone overboard trying to make ladies into mini-men with these radical interpretations which have no basis in rehatnamay or history. Fresco on the walls of Baba Atal Sahib, Amritsar, Punjab Chitrakari's Photostream 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xylitol Posted January 22, 2010 Report Share Posted January 22, 2010 The word mudra is used here in a different context than trai mudra. It's use in this manner in no way invalidates it as a kakaar, it simply looks at kes in a different context, outside of the issue of kakaars. The word mudra refers to the various positions meditators put their fingers in. These positions have numerous benefits including enhancing concentration. Harjas Kaur gives a decent explanation of how this works. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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