amardeep Posted April 26, 2009 Report Share Posted April 26, 2009 http://forums.panthic.net/index.php?showtopic=34675 lol.. dont know if i should laugh or cry 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matheen Posted April 27, 2009 Report Share Posted April 27, 2009 Jokers. He gives the title "...Proof that Keski is..." and when proved wrong says his aim is to 'encourage' the keski?! lol. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SAadmin Posted April 27, 2009 Report Share Posted April 27, 2009 Oh boii, if it was up to them, these guys will try to convert jehov witness bibiya's into keski ....sorry can't stop lol. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amardeep Posted April 27, 2009 Author Report Share Posted April 27, 2009 i like the argument of the linguistic background on the word "kakaar" lol 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vah Posted April 27, 2009 Report Share Posted April 27, 2009 Isnt the whole keski argument based on some rehatnama? also is there any article refuting the akj claims as keski being kakkar? Its real sad that some AKJ's seem to think they have a monopoly on Sikh / Waheguru & Amrit 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amardeep Posted April 27, 2009 Author Report Share Posted April 27, 2009 Its based on Bhai Randhir Singhs view and later on it was backed up by the Bhatt Vahis that says kesgi is one of the kakaars... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SAadmin Posted April 27, 2009 Report Share Posted April 27, 2009 The whole keski being kakar debate was badly refuted by amritpal singh amrit on this forum long time ago, i m just trying to find that thread on the forum.. will dig deep for that thread. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaheediyan Posted April 27, 2009 Report Share Posted April 27, 2009 Actually, it was all in the fanatic - Bhasaurias - imagination. Unfortunatley - he just happened to be a big influence on Bhai Randhir Singhs life, from what I remember he was even one of the 5 pyare who gace amrit to Bhai Sahib, could be wrong though, but if right, it explains Bhai Sahibs lifelong belief in the keski. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mystical Posted April 27, 2009 Report Share Posted April 27, 2009 i like the argument of the linguistic background on the word "kakaar" lol The conversation is quite funny too. The way they say Hunji and nahi ji. Its quite funny how they make a conversation formal by adding a few punjabi words. lol 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drawrof Posted April 27, 2009 Report Share Posted April 27, 2009 nuff pyaar m8, bhai sahib radio wallay (not sant like of pend 'radio' who drinks daudh all the time) was well cherdikallah inni'? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-Kaur Posted May 21, 2009 Report Share Posted May 21, 2009 Why are people so obsessed with forcing women to wear a Keski? Are these just insecure men who need to keep their women in control? Sound like Wahabis, fed up of people telling me its the only Sikhi roop and how everyone else is too hindufied. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cul Posted May 22, 2009 Report Share Posted May 22, 2009 Why are people so obsessed with forcing women to wear a Keski? Are these just insecure men who need to keep their women in control? Sound like Wahabis, fed up of people telling me its the only Sikhi roop and how everyone else is too hindufied. I think you'll find it's 'feminist' 'Sikhs' that think to 'equal' is to dress like a man. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antharjaame Posted October 17, 2009 Report Share Posted October 17, 2009 Does anybody have any information on a certain letter that Guru Gobind Singh Ji Mahraaj wrote, where they refered to kes being a kakkar? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaheediyan Posted October 17, 2009 Report Share Posted October 17, 2009 Shamshere Pitas Baniyan (Sri Dasam and Sri Sarbloh Granth Sahib Ji) both refer to Kes as Kakaar. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silence Posted October 18, 2009 Report Share Posted October 18, 2009 (edited) Shamshere Pitas Baniyan (Sri Dasam and Sri Sarbloh Granth Sahib Ji) both refer to Kes as Kakaar. As far as I am aware the Sri Sarbloh Granth Sahib Ji reference to kes is as a MUDRA, not a kakkar, or am I wrong? In the Sri Dasam Guru Granth Sahib Ji one, if you mean this, Ik Oankaar Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh||Sri Mukhvak Patshahi 10|| Nishane Sikhi Ee Haroof Panj Kaaf||Hargiz Na Bashd ee Panj Muaaf||1|| Kara Kardo Kacch Bidha(n)|| Bila Kesh Hech Asth Jumleh Nisha||2|| Hrf Hakait Asth Ee Panj Kaf||Bidha Nand Bavr Na Goyam Khilaf||3|| Hukka Hajamat Halal Haram || Bachishey Hina(n) Kard Roo Sayah Fam ||4|| I don't see the word KAKKAR anywhere Edited October 18, 2009 by Silence 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silence Posted October 18, 2009 Report Share Posted October 18, 2009 The words of Guru Gobind Singh Ji in PERTAKH form to Bhai Rama Singh Ji: "Take Amrit and be initiated as a Singh. Your mission will be to promote Amrit baptism in many countries." "I have given the Khalsa 5 kakars - kachera, kara, kirpan, kanga and keski. The Sikh Panth and the Khalsa do not follow my directive. Some have modified the fifth kakar from kes-ki to kes. You are ordered not to give Amrit in the baptism ceremony unless keski in included as one of the 5 kakars." "The coming of Khalsa Raj is inevitable. But, only when the Khalsa follows my guidance. Rehat, the code of conduct for the Sikhs, is more important to me than a Sikh. During the Khalsa Raj, spiritual guidance will be mine and the Panj Pyaare will give the lead. Punjab will become like heaven, a part of Sachkhand, the Plane of Truth, i.e God's country. The Khalsa institution of Panj Pyaare will head every local community." 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matheen Posted October 18, 2009 Report Share Posted October 18, 2009 The words of Guru Gobind Singh Ji in PERTAKH form to Bhai Rama Singh Ji: No offence, but no. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silence Posted October 18, 2009 Report Share Posted October 18, 2009 No offence, but no. So do you believe bhai Rama Singh Ji lying? Do you know exactly who we are talking about here? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matheen Posted October 18, 2009 Report Share Posted October 18, 2009 Don't believe he was lying - just question what he experienced (which is different from almost every Mahapursh) and put in his book. Yes, I knew him, and he was a good, kind hearted person. Sri Dasam Granth Ji and Sarbloh Granth make it cear what the kakkars are. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amardeep Posted October 18, 2009 Author Report Share Posted October 18, 2009 also remember there is a difference between a dream and wahi 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indy_saggu Posted October 18, 2009 Report Share Posted October 18, 2009 Its the old Divide and conquer tactic because a religion divided is no religion at all. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 19, 2009 Report Share Posted October 19, 2009 There used to be mega keski being kakar discussion thread on this forum where amritpal singh amrit refuted keski being kakar, for some reason that thread mysteriously disappeared from the forum...i have no idea what happened..i can only speculate, but i would rather not do that without any hard evidence. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drawrof Posted October 19, 2009 Report Share Posted October 19, 2009 waheguru is poora, a gurmukh is adhoora......avoid putting people up on pedestals otherwise it'll screw you up eventually as everyone is fallible....Just be careful, faith that person X, experience Y, or fact Z makes something truthful doesn't....Simply, because each of those have passed, are passing, or will pass.. disclaimer: I'm not a brahmgyani and wouldn't know how to discern one...spare me the one liners, unless someone is blessed with the buddhi to know, they can enlighten us. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaheediyan Posted October 19, 2009 Report Share Posted October 19, 2009 Well said, we need to leave the personality worship (and enforcing others opinions) and focus on Gurbani. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chatanga1 Posted October 19, 2009 Report Share Posted October 19, 2009 The words of Guru Gobind Singh Ji in PERTAKH form to Bhai Rama Singh Ji: Punjab will become like heaven, a part of Sachkhand, the Plane of Truth, i.e God's country. The Khalsa institution of Panj Pyaare will head every local community." do you think Guru Ji would have said this? it doesnt make sense if you read Akal Ustat, that Guru Ji would liken a part of a country to be like heaven.I think. when exactly did this kes/keski become an "issue"? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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