Are These Rehatnama Genuine?

[Mr Sardar]

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[Kam1825]

yes, these rehitname are genuine!

[amardeep]

The word turk had changed during the time the rehitnamas were compiled and they now meant enemy or mughal, and not muslims as a whole

[shaheediyan]

The rehitname need to be looked at in context, its stupidity to read them literally as being relevant now.

Elements of the rehits were written in accordance with the then current politcal climate - and hence these were warnings and advice at a time when Singhs had a bounty on their head and were looked at as terrorists by the large part of the Muslim population.

The fact that probably all the Gurus Rababis and Dhadis were Muslims and an intricate part of the darbar refutes the literal translation of these rehits. The revered Pir Buddu Shah amongst many others also cause problems for a literal racist/prejudice translation.

Amardeep also has a very good point, the word/s used in the rehits could easily refer to a specific group within the Muslim world.

[Silence]

I personally see them as a guide to what your relationship in regards to whoever your 'enemy' at the time is, is meant to be. Not sure though.

[amardeep]

I think silence is right. I have a theory that the ban on halal meat, the muslim hookah, the ban on learning farsi and arabic etc are symbols of the oppresors lifestyle. I think the overall message in the rehitnamas is that you should'n adopt the lifestyle of your opressor, and not so much the items themselves.... Later on it would apply to the british ie dont adopt their lifestyle in the way they clothe themselves, the way they behave, their music forms (ie introducing the waja and replacing the dilruba sitar and rabab) etc..

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[navjot2]

off topic but still relevant: where can i read Chibber Singh rehitnama? out of interest.

[shaheediyan]

The rehitnamai (and proto rehits) are all correct in their own right – they reflect a changing socio-political environment – elements of rehits have always been evolving in nature and slightly diverse, reflecting different peoples knowledge, understandings etc. The Na koi hindu na koi musslmaan is philosophical communication – you can’t compare that to an element of a time specific survival strategy based code of conduct.

Other quotes relate to rajniti - and as the plan was to uproot the Mughal rule - advice for Khalsa rule was created.

See McLeods ‘Sikhs of the Khalsa’ for a translation of most rehits.

[navjot2]

mcleod? nooo

i want original not translation. if any has seen it online let me know please.

[amardeep]

i think the bhai chaupa singh rehitnama can be found in gurmukhi on amritpal's website.. dont remember the url though

[Mithar]

You can find all of the Rehitnamay in Pyara Singh Padam's book "rehetnamay". It's worth buying and studying.

[tonyhp32]

In Gurbani as well as in the Rehats, the word Turk has always meant Muslim. Whether the advice given in the rehatnamas is time specific or universal is open to debate.

http://www.amritworld.com/pbi/commentary/r...asingh/turk.pdf

[cul]

I have heard pir buddhu shah converted to Sikhism and desired Gurus darshan, so if we go along with the understanding that they were convertees, but in janamsakhis Bhai Mardana says he desires to see Mecca and all the "turks" go there and say this and that. But we understand Bhai Mardana was muslim, there words like muhammaden to describe muslim, maybe it referred to the actual primal Muslim invaders of India people like arabs, or maybe the actual turkish people or who looked turkish were called turks. There are some other funny rehatnamas around so its hard to know if they are genuine or not. But how about Guru sahibs Na koi hindu na koi muslaman, the denial of religious label, would it be applicable?

No such thing as a Sikh convert. Sounds like the usual revisionist BS you get spoon-fed by the 'yoof' in the west.

[navjot2]

In Gurbani as well as in the Rehats, the word Turk has always meant Muslim. Whether the advice given in the rehatnamas is time specific or universal is open to debate.

http://www.amritworld.com/pbi/commentary/r...asingh/turk.pdf

no this isnt accurate. ' turks' refers to moghuls. where in Gurbani is it used to refer to muslims?

[tonyhp32]

Turk tareekat jaanee-ai hindoo bayd puraan (Kabairji SGGS page 340)

The Muslim is known by his path and the Hindu by the Vedas and Puranas

Hindu anhaa Turkoo kanhaa, duha tay gianee sianaa ( Namdevji SGGS page 875 )

The Hindu is blind and the Muslim is one eyed, the knowledable one is wiser than both