Mainstream Islamic Organisations "share Al-Qaeda Ideology"

[Kaljug]

So much for the myth that "moderate" Muslims have a different ideology to their jihadi counterparts.

Enjoy.

K.

[Mr Sardar]

To be honest pretty much every Sikh knows that. Goverment should work with Sikhs, Maharaja Ranjit Singh controlled them from our history and religion we know how to deal with them. Really don't know why the goverment don't ban all these hatefull Islamic channels as well as youtube uploads and hateful recruiting websites.

Edited February 7, 2011 by sarbatdapala

[kdsingh80]

To be honest pretty much every Sikh knows that. Goverment should work with Sikhs, Maharaja Ranjit Singh controlled them from our history and religion we know how to deal with them. Really don't know why the goverment don't ban all these hatefull Islamic channels as well as youtube uploads and hateful recruiting websites.

There are leftist liberal sikhs who who believe and support muslim cause like Palestine

http://thelangarhall.com/

read some of articles of one of the author their and you will founde how much he support Palestinian cause.

[dalsingh101]

Truth is, your experiences of sullay will differ not only nation to nation, but in a nation (like the UK for instance), it will differ from area to area or community to community.

I doubt the experiences of a hypothetical Sikh growing up in say Edgware Road (with its strong Arabic/Persian[?] community will be anything like another one who may grow up in a more working class mainly Pakistani type area like say Luton or Walthamstow.

If someone doesn't have negative experiences with a community, they often find it hard to imagine it is different anywhere else with them. Conversely, if the early experiences are profoundly negative in some sustained way, then it is easy to imagine it is no different elsewhere.

What I think we can say is that yes, many (if not most) Muslims do believe in the superiority of their faith over others. Some do actively push for or support dominance, some don't. Some sullay are more regional/nationalistic and see themselves as more Iraqi/Iranian/Bengali than with this strong 'pan Islam' identity.

Believe it or not, some of their sub groups often despise each other too, an example would be the way some Pakistanis and Bengali Muslim males detest each others communities. To all intents and purposes, it appears as if the Bonglos suffered similar crap to what some of our people did at partition at Pak hands. I think the notion of a monolithic Muslim community is bullshit myself. But keep alienating every last one and maybe we can unite them to become that very thing?

Edited February 7, 2011 by dalsingh101

[HSD1]

The truth is that most communities/nations have a set of background beliefs that they all share to a certain degree. This isnt just muslims but hindus or goreh too. Sikhs, on the other hand, being a minority and not have a central place we can call our own are the ones who end up ebbing and flowing like the sea over the rocks of foreign countries. Being able to see what binds and divides others is difficult if you're looking from the outside.

[Mr Sardar]

Sikhs are divided up on so many factors it is really time we end these silly divisions of jathas and caste etc. just inter-marry into each other, we really need to intermarry so these factors can stop, that is what maharaja ranjit singh did in his time and throughout history people did. It is likely it may be hard to hold a marriage on differences but you need to come to terms with similarites and no mater what all humans are different regardless of whatever. Sikhs need to rise to political stages and media likewise doing best in whatever career they are in and being the best in that. In whatever country Sikhs need to have a say in legislations and being in the media spot light hopefully all for the best of everyone. All of the Sikh clergy seems to have corruption to some degree which could be overcome if we communicated effectively enough. All these jathedars in each jatha and leaders of castes and groupings need to intermarry.

As for the issue with Muslim it comes straight down to there scholars, sheikhs, immams and moluas whatever they feed the masses, the masses believe; it is not what is written in the haddith or quran or how it is understood, it is whatever comes out of the mouth of people like Zakir Naik. The guy wants to allow stoning people to death on national tv and internet everywhere that idea is hold up. There are groups pushing for shariah rulling. Most muslims are divided on many basis and it is probably best to have them divided rather then people those so called scholars saying all muslims are one now lets kill the infidels, take there women, burn there books and places of worship. The history of them lot are the same. Most there scholars are up for debates now and most people are too scared to go and debate them, most there ideas are easily disprovable but whenever some people have they pull out the card that you are offensive, biggot and are against freedom of speech. They themselves want to violate many human right laws themselves.

Edited February 8, 2011 by sarbatdapala

[Mr Sardar]

It is not fair on Sikhs that many average people equate Sikhs to Muslims or Hindus in this case of demonisation. Sikhs are hated by many Muslims and end up being hated by other people it will lead to destruction and self ideological genocide of Sikhism if people don't fix up.

[amardeep]

Reading through the "Sikhs tigers and thieves" there is an interesting quote where one brit says that if Sikhs would only unite they would eventually create their own kingdom and rule supreme.

[dalsingh101]

Reading through the "Sikhs tigers and thieves" there is an interesting quote where one brit says that if Sikhs would only unite they would eventually create their own kingdom and rule supreme.

And they did exactly that a few years later under Ranjit Singh. Then got stung hard by wasps, followed by Pakistanis, and then Hindustanis.....and are still trying to chart a solid path in a new global reality.

[Mr Sardar]

What are the goverments in the west doing to close down schools which teach muslim boys to go and manipulate and convert non-muslims christians, sikhs, hindus. Alot are even using date rape drugs, black mail, other illegal methods to trap and put into prostition some girls how are we going to take these to cases to goverment to deal with. Why don't the police raid all these places.

[Mr Sardar]

The biggest thing is the money to fund all of this ideological shift is primarily from the "wahabi" so called codename of the blame game additionally it is people like peacetv- zakir naik etc. but most there funding is comming from dubai and other arab countries at the moment dubai is a big point of funding for which is causing alot of this.