amardeep Posted December 30, 2010 Report Share Posted December 30, 2010 Gurfateh Where can i Find this volume? http://www.global.ucsb.edu/punjab/journal_15_1_2/jps_15_toc.pdf The Table of Content looks really interesting: I. Guru Gobind Singh: Life and Legacy 1 1. Guru Gobind Singh: Life and Mission J.S. Grewal 3 2. Raj-Khalsa: Ideology and Praxis Indu Banga 33 3. Anandpur: The City of Guru Gobind Singh Reeta Grewal 65 II. Writings Around 1700 95 4. Liturgical Compositions in the Dasam Granth Ami P. Shah 97 5. Shabad Hazare John Stratton Hawley 137 6. Zafarnama Christopher Shackle 161 7. Ugradanti and the Rise of the Tisar Panth Ami P. Shah 181 8. Mirabai in the John Stratton Hawley Pothi Prem Ambodh & Gurinder Singh Mann 199 III. Additional Reference Materials 227 9. Sources for the Study of Guru Gobind Singh's Life and Times Gurinder Singh Mann 229 10. Facsimiles of Core Compositions in the Earliest Manuscripts of the Dasam Granth Gurinder Singh Mann 285 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kam1825 Posted December 31, 2010 Report Share Posted December 31, 2010 looks interesting, might be worth checking with the uni! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amardeep Posted December 31, 2010 Author Report Share Posted December 31, 2010 I did and I dont have acces to the volume through our international databases 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amardeep Posted January 10, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 10, 2011 The newest publication can be downloaded here: http://www.global.ucsb.edu/punjab/journal_17_1-2/JPS_17_nos_1-2_2010.pdf The first paper is a nice rebuttal of Mcleods theories and works by Gurinder Singh Mann. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dalsingh101 Posted January 10, 2011 Report Share Posted January 10, 2011 (edited) Huh! They give one out free....and it's about McLeod.... Fittay moo onadey! lol If anyone ever gets hold of that one about Dasmesh Pita...hook a brother up...... On a related note there is a book I've been after for years but have never managed to get hold of. It's an autobiography of dasmesh pita by J.S.Grewal and S.S. Bal (I think). Anyone ever read it? PS - Ever since I read Lou Fenech's Book on Sikh Shaheeds years ago, I've always felt he was a top class fudhu. Edited January 10, 2011 by dalsingh101 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amardeep Posted January 10, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 10, 2011 Lol. i ordered the article on zafarnama from my local library... notice there is a book review on the "Debating Dasam Granth" book inside the pdf journal 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amardeep Posted January 10, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 10, 2011 (edited) There is a Phd currently being written on Gursobha including a full english translation.awesome!! This Phd analyses the life of Guru Gobind Singh using 4 contemporary sources on his life (ie written while maharaj was alive) Edited January 10, 2011 by amardeep 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dalsingh101 Posted January 11, 2011 Report Share Posted January 11, 2011 (edited) notice there is a book review on the "Debating Dasam Granth" book inside the pdf journal I like the way you keep quiet about the reviewer. I went from excited to disgusted in a matter of seconds......lol Read that first article by Mann and thought is was crap. Yet another attempt to transpose one's caste onto the faith, this time not even sparing Guru Nanak......if I thought McLeod was bad, this geezer is even worse. I think I'm going to give that journal a wide berth. Edited January 11, 2011 by dalsingh101 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mithar Posted January 11, 2011 Report Share Posted January 11, 2011 (edited) I like the way you keep quiet about the reviewer. I went from excited to disgusted in a matter of seconds......lol Read that first article by Mann and thought is was crap. Yet another attempt to transpose one's caste onto the faith, this time not even sparing Guru Nanak......if I thought McLeod was bad, this geezer is even worse. I think I'm going to give that journal a wide berth. What do you expect? This is Mcleodian school of orientalist crap. As far as I'm concearned, their Phds aren't worth the paper they wipe their backsides with. Edited January 11, 2011 by Mithar 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amardeep Posted January 11, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 11, 2011 Haha that jatt thing got me laughing as well. The phd on the 4 contemporary sources on Guru Gobind Singh seems to conclude that the life stories in each of them are quite consistent and portrays a realistic image of the Guru Gobind Singh of history. I think Mann's rebuttal of Mcleods work is quite good. He should have left out the part on jatts though as his argumentation does'nt make sense at all.. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amardeep Posted January 11, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 11, 2011 Generally speaking on western scholarship it is good, however each author seems to just cross the line a bit. I think its their way of making a name in the area. If one does not come up with new (controversial) theories then your name name will not get anywhere. Take louis fenechs book The Darbar of the Sikh Gurus for example. Overall a good and well researched book, however in the end he crosses the line when he starts to question whether Bhai Nand Lal was a sikh after all, and not just a paid poet in the darbar... Everything up to that point was well researched and good, and the rest is bukwas. Same with Gurinder Singh mann paper,.. Good and well researched untill he starts talking about jatts haha. .Jatts seem to ruin everything 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SURYADEV Posted January 11, 2011 Report Share Posted January 11, 2011 Good and well researched untill he starts talking about jatts haha. .Jatts seem to ruin everything 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dalsingh101 Posted January 12, 2011 Report Share Posted January 12, 2011 Maybe it's just them applying the white man's 'controversy sells' principle to Sikh studies? Obviously they learned this from the master (McLeod) himself. It's sad because, as Amardeep suggests, some of the research is quite interesting and even insightful, then they almost invariably drop some seriously speculative antiSikh idea in. It's like they are trying to sandwich the poison in the middle of good stuff thinking we are going to swallow it up that way? What were the four sources used in that dissertation btw Amardeep? I guess, Gursobha & Sewa Das Parchian were in there, what were the other two? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dalsingh101 Posted January 12, 2011 Report Share Posted January 12, 2011 (edited) What do you expect? This is Mcleodian school of orientalist crap. As far as I'm concearned, their Phds aren't worth the paper they wipe their backsides with. We have to ask some uncomfortable questions. 1) Why are apnay getting involved in this? Is it just finance and fame? Are they sell outs? 2) Why do most of those apnay that do get involved seem to embody a particular caste mindset which they unashamedly push through their academic work? Edited January 12, 2011 by dalsingh101 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amardeep Posted January 12, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 12, 2011 Its Apni Katha from Bachitar Natak and an unpublished work called Das Gur Katha written during the days of Guru Gobind Singh by a contemporary. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dalsingh101 Posted January 12, 2011 Report Share Posted January 12, 2011 Interesting. Never heard of the Das Gur Katha before. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amardeep Posted January 13, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 13, 2011 me neither.. lookin forward to reading the phd sahib 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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