Sukha Maryada (use of Marijuana/Cannabis)

[Mooorakh]

Don't worry my best friend m here and looking at Your social grace now.  I didn't want my Guru Sahibs to be insulted and pulled into this. You didn't read n kept on talking about shaheeds and medicine. They weren't the topic of my or @Ragmaala veerjis' larai anyway. So if you really have bibek buddh read those ugly quotes again and then strike back-  if you really japp naam you owe atleast this much to yourself. I have no apologies for @paapiman. His jaws might be paining already - posting crap against Sikhs in all these threads kabhi sukha n kabhi alcohol

@Ragmaala veerji. Pls let it be. Don't waste your precious energy on this...

I only replied after my sangis like @Still nascent and @Ragmaala veerjis have been insulted.. Really don't care if you call me dumb or whatever m anyway mooorakh

[GurjantGnostic]

Just now, Ragmaala said:

Panth is in chardikala and ever flourishing.  Focus on your individual self first.  Panth is taken care of Guru Nanak Sahib Himself. 

Abichal Neev Dhari Guru Nanak Nit Nit Chadae Savai ....The foundation has been laid down by Guru Nanak Sahib and it is ever flourishing. 

You created this thread into 'they vs us', and I responded accordingly. 

You can do whatever you like personally, but don't feel threatened if you come across people who differ from your ideas. 

I don't feel threatened by differing opinions. I don't feel threatened by you at all. Your ideology and conduct stink though. 

What a great way to gloss over the massive problems the Paanth and it's members face bro. That your mindset and attitude contributes to. 

Disingenuous again. 

That's a weird trait to have for a warrior of Guru Gobind Singh Ji Maharaja. 

Jo Bole So Nihal. Sat Sri Akal. 

[GurjantGnostic]

3 minutes ago, Mooorakh said:

Don't worry my best friend m here and looking at Your social grace now.  I didn't want my Guru Sahibs to be insulted and pulled into this. You didn't read n kept on talking about shaheeds and medicine. They weren't the topic of my or @Ragmaala veerjis' larai anyway. So if you really have bibek buddh read those ugly quotes again and then strike back-if you really japp naam you owe atleast this much to yourself. I have no apologies for @paapiman. He's jaws might be paining already - posting crap against Sikhs in all these threads kabhi sukha n kabhi alcohol

@Ragmaala veerji. Pls let it be. Don't waste your precious energy on this...

I only replied after my sangis like @Still nascent and @Ragmaala veerjis have been insulted.. Really don't care if you call me dumb or whatever m anyway mooorakh

Uh huh. Learn to apologize for outbursts involving violence. 

Go ahead and reel in your boy friend. He looks stupid and tired. And he dropped his integrity everywhere. 

[paapiman]

2 minutes ago, Mooorakh said:

Don't worry my best friend m here and looking at Your social grace now.  I didn't want my Guru Sahibs to be insulted and pulled into this. You didn't read n kept on talking about shaheeds and medicine. They weren't the topic of my or @Ragmaala veerjis' larai anyway. So if you really have bibek buddh read those ugly quotes again and then strike back-if you really japp naam you owe atleast this much to yourself. I have no apologies for @paapiman. He's jaws might be paining already - posting crap against Sikhs in all these threads kabhi sukha n kabhi alcohol

@Ragmaala veerji. Pls let it be. Don't waste your precious energy on this...

I only replied after my sangis like @Still nascent and @Ragmaala veerjis have been insulted.. Really don't care if you call me dumb or whatever m anyway mooorakh

Please do slander me more. Daas will greatly appreciate that.

Thanks a lot

 

Bhul chuk maaf

[Mooorakh]

1 minute ago, paapiman said:

Please do slander me more. Daas will greatly appreciate that.

Thanks a lot

 

Bhul chuk maaf

Don't lie you don't mean it- sacchi dassna? . ... I m sure..   and dass really? Have you heard about Banaaras k thug.. 

Devi devta, riddhi sidh, havan, alchohol ... are you really a sikh? 

I don't slander you . NOW, I pity you. Waheguru samatt bakhshe

[paapiman]

Just now, Mooorakh said:

Don't lie you don't mean it- sacchi dassna? . ... I m sure.. ">">  and dass really? Have you heard about Banaaras k thug.. 

Devi devta, riddhi sidh, havan, alchohol ... are you really a sikh? 

I don't slander you . NOW, I pity you. Waheguru samatt bakhshe

Daas means it. Please please do slander me more sister.

 

Bhul chuk maaf

[GurjantGnostic]

4 minutes ago, paapiman said:

Please do slander me more. Daas will greatly appreciate that.

Thanks a lot

 

Bhul chuk maaf

No kidding bro. Is this the middle ages christendom where quoting a book gets you burned at the stake?

We could have looked into things and discussed them but ironically people were threatened, irrational and projecting. 

2 minutes ago, Mooorakh said:

Don't lie you don't mean it- sacchi dassna? . ... I m sure..   and dass really? Have you heard about Banaaras k thug.. 

Devi devta, riddhi sidh, havan, alchohol ... are you really a sikh? 

I don't slander you . NOW, I pity you. Waheguru samatt bakhshe

Sit down already and learn something. I wouldn't take you anywhere. Yeesh. 

[paapiman]

@dalsingh101 @GurjantGnostic @Ragmaala

Daas remembers hearing in Katha that Gyani Thakur Singh jee mentioned that our kids are having mental related illnesses due to lack of drinking "Shardai". Shardai is the same as Sukhnidhaan, without Sukha in it.

Furthermore, it is possible that micro-dosing cannabis (by putting tiny quantities of it in Shardai) might be beneficial in the brain development of the kids. 

 

Bhul chuk maaf

[GurjantGnostic]

Just now, paapiman said:

@dalsingh101 @GurjantGnostic @Ragmaala

Daas remembers hearing in Katha that Gyani Thakur Singh jee mentioned that our kids are having mental related illnesses due to lack of drinking "Shardai". Shardai is the same as Sukhnidhaan, without Sukha in it.

Furthermore, it is possible that micro-dosing cannabis (by putting tiny quantities of it in Shardai) might be beneficial in the brain development of the kids. 

 

Bhul chuk maaf

I'm not sure the forum is mature enough or contributing enough information on adult Sukha use to tackle underage use. 

Here's an example though. Baby is teething. Nobody feeds babies alcohol but nobody bats an eye when somebody rubs whisky on their gums. 

You'd have to leave it up to individual mothers to choose if they think the baby needs something and if Sukha is better than other things available. If the mother chooses to poison the child who can say anything?

 

[Mooorakh]

6 minutes ago, GurjantGnostic said:

Sit down already and learn something. I wouldn't take you anywhere. Yeesh. 

I would love to veer but it should not slander my Guru Sahib.. If it does violence is a small word

[paapiman]

2 hours ago, dalsingh101 said:

@Ragmaala

I appreciate your contribution bhai ji. 

I have to say, the thing that threw me, in terms of the whole narrative of certain substances, was coming across the reference in Kavi Sainapati's Sri Gursobha where Singhs about to embark on a long journey southward, are described as having afeem in their possession.  

 

And it seems REALLY hard to believe that Rattan Singh Bhangu was way off with his descriptions of his grandfather, Sukha SIngh, and Baba Gurbaksh Singh Shaheeds in Panth Prakash too. 

Add a Puratan Rehatnama (Bhai Desa Singh) to the list above. He was probably a contemporary of Dashmesh Pita jee.

What about Prem Sumarag Granth? Any mention of Sukha (or any other intoxicants) in it?

Thanks

 

Bhul chuk maaf

[GurjantGnostic]

8 minutes ago, Mooorakh said:

I would love to veer but it should not slander my Guru Sahib.. If it does violence is a small word

Okay. But your self didn't substantiate that and get ready to get what you give. Because one of two things is gonna happen. You're gonna get equal rights means equal fights and get laid out or you're gonna get your man laid out or worse. Thinking you can pop off irrationally and violent not only on men but men in Sangat. 

For someone who loves their Guru Sahbian so much, you haven't referenced their Gurbani not once. Or Ithias, or refuted the sources quoted,  and failed to even comprehend what was quoted . You just got triggered and hurled threats.

Didn't even take the freebies thrown your way. 

I wouldn't suggest going right to violence first off. Secondly if you are going to defend your Guru quote unquote, on the internet, with words.  You're going to have use words....and you're going to have to know things about Gurmat and prove it. 

[dalsingh101]

11 minutes ago, paapiman said:

@dalsingh101 @GurjantGnostic @Ragmaala

Daas remembers hearing in Katha that Gyani Thakur Singh jee mentioned that our kids are having mental related illnesses due to lack of drinking "Shardai". Shardai is the same as Sukhnidhaan, without Sukha in it.

Furthermore, it is possible that micro-dosing cannabis (by putting tiny quantities of it in Shardai) might be beneficial in the brain development of the kids. 

 

Bhul chuk maaf

Bhai ji, remember, they've even found out that breast milk has cannabinoids in it. So kids are micro dosing on it from birth. 

[GurjantGnostic]

@paapiman please continue the academic inquiry. I'll maintain the crowd with pitchforks that can't read. 

[dalsingh101]

7 minutes ago, paapiman said:

Add a Puratan Rehatnama (Bhai Desa Singh) to the list above. He was probably a contemporary of Dashmesh Pita jee.

What about Prem Sumarag Granth? Any mention of Sukha (or any other intoxicants) in it?

Thanks

 

Bhul chuk maaf

I don't know about the background of the Bhai Desa Singh rahit.

 

Prem Sumarag takes a seriously adult attitude towards it. It doesn't promote it, but accepts that people do it and advises them to do it privately if they must. It also gives a sukha based remedy for afeem addiction if I recall rightly.  But it does say that it is no good because it makes people neglect their duties. 

[paapiman]

1 minute ago, dalsingh101 said:

Bhai ji, remember, they've even found out that breast milk has cannabinoids in it. So kids are micro dosing on it from birth. 

@GurjantGnostic

A bit off-topic brothers, but now you guys might understand better, why Daas was reluctant to share that info on the sex life of Sri Satguru jee on the forum publicly. Look at what has happened to this topic.

Gurjant Paaji was sent that info via pm.

 

Bhul chuk maaf

[GurjantGnostic]

So far what I've gotten from two people is anything that feels good or isn't pharma is bad. 

Don't read that book.

Shut up or I'll hit you. ...not sorry....

We aren't effected by wasp imperialism at all. 

Lol. Lol.  Lol. 

[paapiman]

1 minute ago, dalsingh101 said:

I don't know about the background of the Bhai Desa Singh rahit.

Most Puratan Rehatname were probably written by contemporary Sikhs (Bhai Chaupa Singh jee, Bhai Desa Singh jee, Bhai Prahlaad Singh jee, Bhai Nand Laal jee, Bhai Daya Singh jee, etc) of Dashmesh Pita jee.

 

Bhul chuk maaf

[Ragmaala]

18 minutes ago, paapiman said:

Daas remembers hearing in Katha that Gyani Thakur Singh jee mentioned that our kids are having mental related illnesses due to lack of drinking "Shardai". Shardai is the same as Sukhnidhaan, without Sukha in it.

Furthermore, it is possible that micro-dosing cannabis (by putting tiny quantities of it in Shardai) might be beneficial in the brain development of the kids. 

It's a bad idea brother, not worth the risk. Almonds are good. The focus should be on producing everything naturally, through proper meditation and Japa techniques. 

[GurjantGnostic]

2 minutes ago, paapiman said:

@GurjantGnostic

A bit off-topic brothers, but now you guys might understand better, why Daas was reluctant to share that info on the sex life of Sri Satguru jee on the forum publicly. Look at what has happened to this topic.

Gurjant Paaji was sent that info via pm.

 

Bhul chuk maaf

It's okay bro. They Jaap Naam in theory so eventually the effects of being wasped will wear off. 

What's next? No dancing? Lol. 

[Ragmaala]

5 minutes ago, paapiman said:

A bit off-topic brothers, but now you guys might understand better, why Daas was reluctant to share that info on the sex life of Sri Satguru jee on the forum publicly.

Brother, I thought you respected Brahmgiani Mahapurush. Do you believe their bachans or not ? 

[GurjantGnostic]

Just now, Ragmaala said:

It's a bad idea brother, not worth the risk. Almonds are good. The focus should be on producing everything naturally, through proper meditation and Japa techniques. 

How does the baby meditate and Jaap while teething bro. Fair point you wouldn't risk it, I'm just saying is that relevent to the babies or that's like your only answer in life?

[GurjantGnostic]

7 minutes ago, Ragmaala said:

Brother, I thought you respected Brahmgiani Mahapurush. Do you believe their bachans or not ? 

Do they all agree with each other?

Because otherwise people can just pick a quote like you did and try and hold the whole Paanth to it, when if it was that critical it would be in Gurbani. 

Because the logic chain there is not complex. I read Sant said A. You don't want to cross a Sant. I picked what coincided with my bias.  Everyone must do A. 

But only Gurbani is Gurbani and no the Sants don't all agree. So who's gonna sort out that mess?

Oh, in your perfect undivided Paanth we have people that don't even recognize Gurbani as Gurbani. Even though said Bani is in their Amrit. In their Nitnem. 

So if I ask a Nihang Sant you think he's going to agree with your reference on Sukha Maryada? He's just gonna be a Sant from Hazur Sahib and say yeah that's how it started. All a admin cut up?

[GurjantGnostic]

What you're doing bro is trying to associate the qualities of Sants to yourself, just like you did with Bibek Budi, To make you unquestionable. In your echo chamber. With your perfect looking thread that makes your faith in a person...something that applies to everyone else. Ignoring reality and history. Like the reality that an army needs afeem and the history that it was ordered. 

While saying that people are free to make your choice, I mean their choice, but ignoring the obvious condition of not being free to choose, being ostracized, and it dividing the Paanth just like it did this thread. 

That's religous tyranny bro. And very wasp of you. 

Furthermore you did that thing where you had to cherry pick a variety of sources out of context, without any real substance to justify your own view like when christians hate on gays. 

Maybe if you redo that post it will be clearer. 

[GurjantGnostic]

38 minutes ago, Mooorakh said:

I would love to veer but it should not slander my Guru Sahib.. If it does violence is a small word

Oh and in a world full of Beadbi of Shabad Guru and the Paanth you have how many fights under your belt there tigress for your Guru?  What? None. Figures. Go fight for the Paanth then, plenty of opportunity. 

All talk. No rock. No Gurbani. No Ithias. No apology.  No points for you.