GurjantGnostic Posted July 29, 2021 Report Share Posted July 29, 2021 1 hour ago, Ragmaala said: Being a Shaheed is not easy. Even if you die in dharam yudh but in your last thoughts your mind is not engrossed in Naam, you will not attain full shaheedi That's why the actual Shaheeds keep getting found eating Sukha. So they can focus bro. While they die. If you don't know about Sukha or Shaheed maybe don't comment. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dalsingh101 Posted July 29, 2021 Report Share Posted July 29, 2021 2 hours ago, Ragmaala said: If you read Krishanavtar, you will find a lot about a particular drink which they drank after having won the battles and for recreation . Not sure if it was alcohol or something else, translation varies. Is it called soma? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paapiman Posted July 29, 2021 Author Report Share Posted July 29, 2021 2 hours ago, Ragmaala said: If you read Krishanavtar, you will find a lot about a particular drink which they drank after having won the battles and for recreation . Not sure if it was alcohol or something else, translation varies. Quote ਤਿਨ ਕੋ ਬਹੁ ਦੈ ਸੰਗਿ ਪਾਰਥ ਲੈ ਹਰਿ ਭੋਜਨ ਕੀ ਭੂਅ ਮੈ ਪਗ ਧਾਰ੍ਯੋ । ਪੋਸਤ ਭਾਂਗ ਅਫੀਮ ਮੰਗਾਇ ਪੀਯੋ ਮਦ ਸੋਕ ਬਿਦਾ ਕਰਿ ਡਾਰ੍ਯੋ । They gave great presents to Krishna, who then taking Arjuna along with him went to eat; they requested poppy seeds, opium, cannabis and alcohol, indulging with these they removed all their anxieties ਮੱਤਿ ਹੋ ਚਾਰੋਈ ਕੈਫਨ ਸੋ ਸੁਤ ਇੰਦ੍ਰ ਕੈ ਸੋ ਇਮ ਸ੍ਯਾਮ ਉਚਾਰ੍ਯੋ । ਕਾਮ ਕੀਯੋ ਬ੍ਰਹਮਾ ਘਟਿ ਕਿਉ ਮਦਰਾ ਕੋ ਨ ਆਠਵੋ ਸਿੰਧ ਸਵਾਰ੍ਯੋ ।੨੧੧੫। Consuming these four they became intoxicated and Krishna then said to Arjuna, "Brahma [the Creator who made the seven oceans] has done nothing right, for why did he not make the Eighth Ocean out of alcohol?" ਦੋਹਰਾ । ਤਬ ਪਾਰਥ ਕਰਿ ਜੋਰਿ ਕੈ ਹਰਿ ਸਿਉ ਕਹ੍ਯੋ ਸੁਨਾਇ । ਜੜ ਬਾਮਨ ਇਨ ਰਸਨ ਕੋ ਜਾਨੈ ਕਹਾ ਉਪਾਇ ।੨੧੧੬। Then Arjuna, while folding his hands, replied to Hari [Krishna], "Why would he create that? What would this dull Brahmin know of these pleasures?" Unquote[1] [1] - Krishna's Presents (Alcohol) - Sri Dasam Guru Granth Sahib (manglacharan.com) @dalsingh101 Bhul chuk maaf 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paapiman Posted July 29, 2021 Author Report Share Posted July 29, 2021 38 minutes ago, dalsingh101 said: Is it called soma? Som Ras refers to a drink of the Demi-Gods. It is extracted from a plant. It is said to give the boon of immortality. Maybe some people call Alcohol as Soma. It is probably called Panj Ratni. Bhul chuk maaf 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paapiman Posted July 29, 2021 Author Report Share Posted July 29, 2021 2 hours ago, Ragmaala said: If you read Krishanavtar, you will find a lot about a particular drink which they drank after having won the battles and for recreation . Not sure if it was alcohol or something else, translation varies. @dalsingh101 Quote The following passage is from the Krishnavatar, wherein Guru Gobind Singh is describing Krishna attending a gathering of warriors, who are celebrating Krishna's defeat over Jarasandh. Balrama, Krishna's brother, pleases Krishna greatly by presenting him with wine during the celebration and then Guru Gobind Singh writes that Balrama says: ਦੀਬੋ ਕਛੂ ਮਯ ਪੀਬੋ ਘਨੋ ਕਹਿ ਸੂਰਨ ਸੋ ਇਹ ਬੈਨ ਸੁਨਾਯੋ ॥ [Balrama speaking], "Warriors! Pass a little along, and drink even more wine!" , This is what Balrama told the gathering near Krishna. ਜੂਝਬੋ ਜੂਝ ਕੈ ਪ੍ਰਾਨ ਤਜੈ ਜੁਝਾਇਬੋ ਛਤ੍ਰਨ ਕੋ ਬਨ ਆਯੋ ॥ "To lose your life fighting in the hard of battle! This is what befits warriors!" ਬਾਰਨੀ ਕੰਉ ਕਬਿ ਸ੍ਯਾਮ ਭਨੈ ਕਚੁ ਕੇ ਹਿਤ ਤੋ ਭ੍ਰਿਗ ਨਿੰਦ ਕਰਾਯੋ ॥ The Poet Shyaam [Guru Gobind Singh] speaks of this wine; which Bhrigu Rishi has spoken ill against due to the story of Kacha ਰਾਮ ਕਹੈ ਚਤੁਰਾਨਨਿ ਸੋ ਸੁ ਇਹੀ ਰਸ ਕਉ ਰਸ ਦੇਵਨ ਪਾਯੋ ॥1894॥ But the Poet Raam [Guru Gobind Singh] says, it is from Brahma that this nectar [that is wine] was obtained to the Gods [after the churning of the World-Ocean] Unquote[1] [1] - Guru Gobind Singh on Alcohol - Krishnavtar (manglacharan.com) Bhul chuk maaf 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post GurjantGnostic Posted July 29, 2021 Popular Post Report Share Posted July 29, 2021 16 minutes ago, paapiman said: @dalsingh101 Quote The following passage is from the Krishnavatar, wherein Guru Gobind Singh is describing Krishna attending a gathering of warriors, who are celebrating Krishna's defeat over Jarasandh. Balrama, Krishna's brother, pleases Krishna greatly by presenting him with wine during the celebration and then Guru Gobind Singh writes that Balrama says: ਦੀਬੋ ਕਛੂ ਮਯ ਪੀਬੋ ਘਨੋ ਕਹਿ ਸੂਰਨ ਸੋ ਇਹ ਬੈਨ ਸੁਨਾਯੋ ॥ [Balrama speaking], "Warriors! Pass a little along, and drink even more wine!" , This is what Balrama told the gathering near Krishna. ਜੂਝਬੋ ਜੂਝ ਕੈ ਪ੍ਰਾਨ ਤਜੈ ਜੁਝਾਇਬੋ ਛਤ੍ਰਨ ਕੋ ਬਨ ਆਯੋ ॥ "To lose your life fighting in the hard of battle! This is what befits warriors!" ਬਾਰਨੀ ਕੰਉ ਕਬਿ ਸ੍ਯਾਮ ਭਨੈ ਕਚੁ ਕੇ ਹਿਤ ਤੋ ਭ੍ਰਿਗ ਨਿੰਦ ਕਰਾਯੋ ॥ The Poet Shyaam [Guru Gobind Singh] speaks of this wine; which Bhrigu Rishi has spoken ill against due to the story of Kacha ਰਾਮ ਕਹੈ ਚਤੁਰਾਨਨਿ ਸੋ ਸੁ ਇਹੀ ਰਸ ਕਉ ਰਸ ਦੇਵਨ ਪਾਯੋ ॥1894॥ But the Poet Raam [Guru Gobind Singh] says, it is from Brahma that this nectar [that is wine] was obtained to the Gods [after the churning of the World-Ocean] Unquote[1] [1] - Guru Gobind Singh on Alcohol - Krishnavtar (manglacharan.com) Bhul chuk maaf One of fourteen things obtained when the ocean was churned. Guru Granth Sahib Ji still indicates not to touch it. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post dalsingh101 Posted July 29, 2021 Popular Post Report Share Posted July 29, 2021 33 minutes ago, paapiman said: Quote ਤਿਨ ਕੋ ਬਹੁ ਦੈ ਸੰਗਿ ਪਾਰਥ ਲੈ ਹਰਿ ਭੋਜਨ ਕੀ ਭੂਅ ਮੈ ਪਗ ਧਾਰ੍ਯੋ । ਪੋਸਤ ਭਾਂਗ ਅਫੀਮ ਮੰਗਾਇ ਪੀਯੋ ਮਦ ਸੋਕ ਬਿਦਾ ਕਰਿ ਡਾਰ੍ਯੋ । They gave great presents to Krishna, who then taking Arjuna along with him went to eat; they requested poppy seeds, opium, cannabis and alcohol, indulging with these they removed all their anxieties ਮੱਤਿ ਹੋ ਚਾਰੋਈ ਕੈਫਨ ਸੋ ਸੁਤ ਇੰਦ੍ਰ ਕੈ ਸੋ ਇਮ ਸ੍ਯਾਮ ਉਚਾਰ੍ਯੋ । ਕਾਮ ਕੀਯੋ ਬ੍ਰਹਮਾ ਘਟਿ ਕਿਉ ਮਦਰਾ ਕੋ ਨ ਆਠਵੋ ਸਿੰਧ ਸਵਾਰ੍ਯੋ ।੨੧੧੫। Consuming these four they became intoxicated and Krishna then said to Arjuna, "Brahma [the Creator who made the seven oceans] has done nothing right, for why did he not make the Eighth Ocean out of alcohol?" ਦੋਹਰਾ । ਤਬ ਪਾਰਥ ਕਰਿ ਜੋਰਿ ਕੈ ਹਰਿ ਸਿਉ ਕਹ੍ਯੋ ਸੁਨਾਇ । ਜੜ ਬਾਮਨ ਇਨ ਰਸਨ ਕੋ ਜਾਨੈ ਕਹਾ ਉਪਾਇ ।੨੧੧੬। Then Arjuna, while folding his hands, replied to Hari [Krishna], "Why would he create that? What would this dull Brahmin know of these pleasures?" Unquote[1] [1] - Krishna's Presents (Alcohol) - Sri Dasam Guru Granth Sahib (manglacharan.com) @dalsingh101 Bhul chuk maaf I wonder what the original Sanskrit narrative says at this point? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paapiman Posted July 29, 2021 Author Report Share Posted July 29, 2021 5 minutes ago, dalsingh101 said: I wonder what the original Sanskrit narrative says at this point? You mean, what does it say in the Mahabharat text? Bhul chuk maaf 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dalsingh101 Posted July 29, 2021 Report Share Posted July 29, 2021 32 minutes ago, paapiman said: You mean, what does it say in the Mahabharat text? Bhul chuk maaf Yeah. I don't think afeem and posht was commonly used in India at that time?? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paapiman Posted July 29, 2021 Author Report Share Posted July 29, 2021 2 hours ago, dalsingh101 said: Yeah. I don't think afeem and posht was commonly used in India at that time?? Hasn't Afeem been around in India since ancient times? Bhul chuk maaf 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paapiman Posted July 29, 2021 Author Report Share Posted July 29, 2021 6 hours ago, Ragmaala said: Being a Shaheed is not easy. Even if you die in dharam yudh but in your last thoughts your mind is not engrossed in Naam, you will not attain full shaheedi. I will give an example. When Panja Sahib Saka happened, devotees came to Baba Nand Singh and told about the saka how many sikhs got shaheed. Baba Nand Singh ji took a sigh and said in their last moments of death they had feelings of regret, why did they have to die like this, hence their shaheedi was not parvan. Only a Antaryami Brahmgiani can know about the real truth. Source? Thanks Bhul chuk maaf 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragmaala Posted July 29, 2021 Report Share Posted July 29, 2021 Just now, paapiman said: Source? Thanks Bhul chuk maaf Anand Chamatkar. Read it a long time ago, don’t remember the exact page number. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dalsingh101 Posted July 29, 2021 Report Share Posted July 29, 2021 17 minutes ago, paapiman said: Hasn't Afeem been around in India since ancient times? Bhul chuk maaf I might be wrong but I think afeem use was a later development compared to using sukha. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paapiman Posted July 31, 2021 Author Report Share Posted July 31, 2021 On 7/28/2021 at 10:04 PM, dalsingh101 said: Looks at lines 103/104, do they seem strange to you? It is also possible that Singhs (from so-called lower castes) might not have been allowed to prepare Degh, as they might not be well acquainted with hygiene standards/protocols, as other Sikhs (Brahman, Khatri, Rajput, etc) might be. There might be a context behind those verses. Bhul chuk maaf 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paapiman Posted July 31, 2021 Author Report Share Posted July 31, 2021 Alcohol has been prohibited in the Sau Sakhi. Please see the extract below: Bhu chuk maaf 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jageera Posted July 31, 2021 Report Share Posted July 31, 2021 18 minutes ago, paapiman said: Alochol has been prohibited in the Sau Sakhi. Please see the extract below: Bhu chuk maaf Do you know any specific reason for No. 16? Bred swine. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paapiman Posted July 31, 2021 Author Report Share Posted July 31, 2021 1 hour ago, Jageera said: Do you know any specific reason for No. 16? Bred swine. No idea about the specific reasons. Sorry bro. The meat of a Domestic Pig and a Donkey has been explicitly prohibited (along with Halal meat) in a Puratan Rehatnama (Bhai Daya Singh) too. Bhul chuk maaf 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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