Soccer - who likes it ?

[Premi]

I'm a big soccer/football fan (I know @dalsingh101 doesn't like  it because of the racism etc from white hooligans in the UK) and I think it's a great game especially if you ignore the negative aspects of fans associated with it

Anyone else like it?

 

Also, @GurjantGnostic what do you think of this ? Why not play the game somewhere in California or the South (other than I would guess soccer being more popular generally in the Northern part of the states) where soccer is popular ?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/60240754

The USA edged closer to qualifying for the World Cup in Qatar with victory over Honduras on a night when some players were substituted at half-time because of the extreme cold.

Some players wore balaclavas as temperatures dropped to -16C in Minnesota

Goals from Weston McKennie, Walker Zimmerman and Chelsea's Christian Pulisic sealed the win in Minnesota, where temperatures dropped to -16C.

As well as tights and gloves, some players wore balaclavas against the cold and Honduras said two players had to be taken off "due to the extreme weather".

Visiting coach Hernan Gomez made three half-time changes, two of which were said to be because of the freezing conditions.

Before kick-off Gomez had said staging the game in Minnesota was "inconceivable", adding: "The game hasn't started, but I can't wait for it to end. Because it's not for enjoying, it's for suffering."

US head coach Gregg Berhalter said the choice of venue was down to the fact his team had played in Hamilton, Canada on Sunday and the 930-mile trip to Minnesota's state capital of Saint Paul reduced travel time, adding that the USA had tried to create a "safe environment".

US showed 'small soccer mentality'

Temperatures in Saint Paul reach an average low of -11C in February according to US data, with an average daily high of around freezing. At half-time the official USA team account posted a screen grab of the local temperature at 1F, or about -17C.

Fans watching at Allianz Field were given hand warmers at their seat and medical stations were set up in the stadium.

Speaking on US television, former Premier League midfielder Craig Burley said: "This is one more piece of the pathetic jigsaw. The USA has a big population but a small soccer mentality. If you are a player you want to play in the best conditions possible - you back yourself.

"They don't go and put a game on in an area where this time of year the weather and temperatures and everything that goes with playing your best is horrendous. That's a very small mentality to have."

Asked about the playing conditions, Berhalter responded: "What I would say is that we provided Honduras and their staff and the referees with warm weather gear, we provided them with headgear, and [tried] to make it a safe environment for them to play.

"When we go down to those countries and it's 90 degrees and it's unbearable humidity and guys are getting dehydrated and cramping up and getting heat exhaustion, that's the nature of our competition.

"When we scheduled this game and this location, you know, you have to go by average temperatures."

[GurjantGnostic]

1 minute ago, Premi said:

I'm a big soccer/football fan (I know @dalsingh101 doesn't like  it because of the racism etc from white hooligans in the UK) and I think it's a great game especially if you ignore the negative aspects of fans associated with it

Anyone else like it?

 

Also, @GurjantGnostic what do you think of this ? Why not play the game somewhere in California or the South (other than I would guess soccer being more popular generally in the Northern part of the states) where soccer is popular ?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/60240754

The USA edged closer to qualifying for the World Cup in Qatar with victory over Honduras on a night when some players were substituted at half-time because of the extreme cold.

Some players wore balaclavas as temperatures dropped to -16C in Minnesota

Goals from Weston McKennie, Walker Zimmerman and Chelsea's Christian Pulisic sealed the win in Minnesota, where temperatures dropped to -16C.

As well as tights and gloves, some players wore balaclavas against the cold and Honduras said two players had to be taken off "due to the extreme weather".

Visiting coach Hernan Gomez made three half-time changes, two of which were said to be because of the freezing conditions.

Before kick-off Gomez had said staging the game in Minnesota was "inconceivable", adding: "The game hasn't started, but I can't wait for it to end. Because it's not for enjoying, it's for suffering."

US head coach Gregg Berhalter said the choice of venue was down to the fact his team had played in Hamilton, Canada on Sunday and the 930-mile trip to Minnesota's state capital of Saint Paul reduced travel time, adding that the USA had tried to create a "safe environment".

US showed 'small soccer mentality'

Temperatures in Saint Paul reach an average low of -11C in February according to US data, with an average daily high of around freezing. At half-time the official USA team account posted a screen grab of the local temperature at 1F, or about -17C.

Fans watching at Allianz Field were given hand warmers at their seat and medical stations were set up in the stadium.

Speaking on US television, former Premier League midfielder Craig Burley said: "This is one more piece of the pathetic jigsaw. The USA has a big population but a small soccer mentality. If you are a player you want to play in the best conditions possible - you back yourself.

"They don't go and put a game on in an area where this time of year the weather and temperatures and everything that goes with playing your best is horrendous. That's a very small mentality to have."

Asked about the playing conditions, Berhalter responded: "What I would say is that we provided Honduras and their staff and the referees with warm weather gear, we provided them with headgear, and [tried] to make it a safe environment for them to play.

"When we go down to those countries and it's 90 degrees and it's unbearable humidity and guys are getting dehydrated and cramping up and getting heat exhaustion, that's the nature of our competition.

"When we scheduled this game and this location, you know, you have to go by average temperatures."

They trained for it and used it to advantage I suspect. 

[Premi]

Just now, GurjantGnostic said:

They trained for it and used it to advantage I suspect. 

Now I have thought about it, and who USA were playing, think that must have been the main reason !

You like or know anything much about soccer ?

It's growing in popularity in the States ? Women's soccer is relatively massive in the States?

[Premi]

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2022/jan/28/world-cup-qualifier-will-canada-use-extreme-cold-as-a-weapon-against-the-us

 

World Cup qualifier: Will Canada use extreme cold as a weapon against the US? The last time Canada and the US met it was in the relatively warm surroundings of Nashville’s Nissan Stadium. Photograph: Kevin Langley/REX/Shutterstock

The temperature is forecast to be well below freezing when the teams kick off on Sunday. But how much that will affect the result is debatable

 

Joe Callaghan in Toronto

Fri 28 Jan 2022 09.30 GMT

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Forewarned is forearmed and clearly, at some stage in late November, Gregg Berhalter and US Soccer sat down, ran the tape, looked through the Edmonton squalls and saw in the frozen Mexican faces all the warning they needed.

 

 

 

In truth they could have saved themselves 90 minutes and read the French advice. Just 19 words of it. “To survive the Canadian winter, one needs a body of brass, eyes of glass, and blood made of brandy.”

Louis Armand de Lom d’Arce’s offering was published in the early 1700s but as Canada and the US men meet for their most consequential encounter for a generation, the message still sounds clear through winter’s air. Not least because the exploration that sparked such trauma in the third Baron Lahontan is within a stone’s throw of Sunday’s venue.

Tim Hortons Field in Hamilton, a stadium sponsored by the country’s beloved coffee chain in a city about 70km south of Toronto, has no great footballing history. This potentially pivotal 2022 World Cup qualifier will in fact be the first time Canada’s senior men have pitched up at the stadium for a competitive international. But John Herdman’s young team are all about creating new stories, new history.

When they did just that in November, turning Edmonton’s Commonwealth Stadium into the Iceteca and vanquishing Mexico in a qualifier for the first time since 1976, Canada’s coach pointed to the piles of pitch-side snow and the mercury bottoming out at -9C (16F) with a wind chill of -14C (7F).

“Every country uses the terrain to their advantage,” the Englishman said after his finest night yet had seen Canada surge to the top of the Concacaf standings. “We see this as an advantage. There was a genuine opportunity here to bring out the Canadian in our players. They’ve all grown up on plastic pitches in cold conditions so for us, we wanted them to feel like it was home.”

[dalsingh101]

5 hours ago, Premi said:

I'm a big soccer/football fan (I know @dalsingh101 doesn't like  it because of the racism etc from white hooligans in the UK) and I think it's a great game especially if you ignore the negative aspects of fans associated with it

It's not even as simple as that. I've met some ICF guys when younger, and later Millwall guys. They aren't all bad. Some of them are genuine salt of the earth types actually.  I think playing it is great in terms of getting physical activity and that, but I know for many of the fans I've met, it's not even about the game, its more about getting coked up, getting a few beers down you and having a rumble. lol  

[dalsingh101]

@Premi

JAN MOIR: The Raith Rovers rape scandal could only happen in the oh-so toxic world of football

 

At Wimbledon last year, a male tennis player with three convictions for assaulting other men and a civil case against him for rape (in which his female victim was paid £100,000 compensation) played in the tournament.

Known to all as ‘the Rapist Tennis Player’, his sins are no secret but nobody cares because he is entertaining. The crowds all cheered when he won matches.

Asked to comment, a spokesman for the All England Club said: ‘What’s the problem? He is a terrific player. We don’t see an issue here.’

Hold it right there. You are correct. There is no Rapist Tennis Player and none of the above happened. And it is hard to imagine it could in the world of professional tennis, or indeed in cricket, rugby or athletics.

Would a man with assault and rape charges against him really just carry on with his career, without even a whisper of official dissent? No. It could only happen in the toxic world of football.

In Scotland, there has been uproar at Raith Rovers FC because the Kirkcaldy-based team signed a striker called — in a blow to nominative determinism — David Goodwillie.

 

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-10474595/JAN-MOIR-Raith-Rovers-rape-scandal-happen-oh-toxic-world-football.html

[GurjantGnostic]

Sports...

[Premi]

20 hours ago, dalsingh101 said:

@Premi

JAN MOIR: The Raith Rovers rape scandal could only happen in the oh-so toxic world of football

 

At Wimbledon last year, a male tennis player with three convictions for assaulting other men and a civil case against him for rape (in which his female victim was paid £100,000 compensation) played in the tournament.

Known to all as ‘the Rapist Tennis Player’, his sins are no secret but nobody cares because he is entertaining. The crowds all cheered when he won matches.

Asked to comment, a spokesman for the All England Club said: ‘What’s the problem? He is a terrific player. We don’t see an issue here.’

Hold it right there. You are correct. There is no Rapist Tennis Player and none of the above happened. And it is hard to imagine it could in the world of professional tennis, or indeed in cricket, rugby or athletics.

Would a man with assault and rape charges against him really just carry on with his career, without even a whisper of official dissent? No. It could only happen in the toxic world of football.

In Scotland, there has been uproar at Raith Rovers FC because the Kirkcaldy-based team signed a striker called — in a blow to nominative determinism — David Goodwillie.

 

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-10474595/JAN-MOIR-Raith-Rovers-rape-scandal-happen-oh-toxic-world-football.html

Seems quite a snobbish take on football/soccer. Footballer generally are from lower class backgrounds compared with the other sports. Also, how many tennis players are there compared to footballers?!

The other sports have their own issues and probably have covered up better . 

Recent rugby case:

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2022/jan/12/former-england-rugby-union-international-arrested-on-suspicion-of-rape

 

Footballers generally would have less alternative career options than those in the other sports who likely have/had better education and connections.

Former England rugby union international arrested on suspicion of rape

• Player held on Sunday after report of attack at nightclub
• Woman also arrested on suspicion of administering a substance

 

The Rugby Football Union has refused to comment following the news of the arrest. Photograph: David Rogers/Getty Images

 

Maya Wolfe-Robinson and agencies

Wed 12 Jan 2022 09.34 GMT

 

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A former England rugby union player has been arrested on suspicion of the rape of a teenager.

A Greater Manchester Police spokesman issued a statement on Wednesday morning following reports of an incident at a nightclub in the city which stated: “Officers were called shortly before 11am on Sunday 9 January 2022 to a report of a sexual assault on a female on Thorpeness Square in Manchester.

 

“A woman in her late teens was reported to have been sexually assaulted. She is currently being supported by specialist officers. A man was arrested on suspicion of rape and a 41-year-old woman was arrested on suspicion of administering a substance with intent to cause a sexual offence.

[dalsingh101]

19 hours ago, Premi said:

Seems quite a snobbish take on football/soccer. Footballer generally are from lower class backgrounds compared with the other sports. Also, how many tennis players are there compared to footballers?!

The other sports have their own issues and probably have covered up better . 

Recent rugby case:

Mate, you asked a question about football. It seems like no one is really likes it here? Personally,  I don't want to go on a Sikh forum and have to hear about football myself because I think the culture around it is frequently toxic and racist.

When I meet apnay who get all excited at football, wear the tops, and can reel of players names and whatnot, it always makes me raise an eyebrow. I think they are more than half way into the assimilation process. 

[GurjantGnostic]

9 hours ago, dalsingh101 said:

Mate, you asked a question about football. It seems like no one is really likes it here? Personally,  I don't want to go on a Sikh forum and have to hear about football myself because I think the culture around it is frequently toxic and racist.

When I meet apnay who get all excited at football, wear the tops, and can reel of players names and whatnot, it always makes me raise an eyebrow. I think they are more than half way into the assimilation process. 

I like footballers running form. Because they use their feet in an articulate way and have to move in all directions, more than some other sports where the action is shorter and more linear. But I don't play football to work on that I go running in the woods. 

[paapiman]

30 minutes ago, GurjantGnostic said:

I like footballers running form. Because they use their feet in an articulate way and have to move in all directions, more than some other sports where the action is shorter and more linear. But I don't play football to work on that I go running in the woods. 

Football or soccer?

 

Bhul chuk maaf

[GurjantGnostic]

1 hour ago, paapiman said:

Football or soccer?

 

Bhul chuk maaf

What the world calls football, soccer. 

I don't care for american football really at all. 

[HSD]

 

[dalsingh101]

21 hours ago, GurjantGnostic said:

I like footballers running form. Because they use their feet in an articulate way and have to move in all directions, more than some other sports where the action is shorter and more linear. But I don't play football to work on that I go running in the woods. 

Do you have woods near where you live? 

[dalsingh101]

4 hours ago, HSD said:

 

Good. admin cut those brown mfs that wear that sh1t. 

[GurjantGnostic]

58 minutes ago, dalsingh101 said:

Do you have woods near where you live? 

High desert I'm in is right below the timber line. We have a lot lf tree coverage that continues up into the mountains. There's national forests right here. 

[paapiman]

20 hours ago, HSD said:

 

Was any action taken against them?

Did Twitter ban these racist idiots or not?

 

Bhul chuk maaf

[Premi]

 

https://www.blogpreston.co.uk/2015/05/preston-north-end-superfan-roop-singh-on-how-elland-road-racial-abuse-set-him-on-course-to-become-part-of-the-gentry/

A Preston North End fan has told of how racial abuse watching Leeds United in the 1970s set him on course to become a Lilywhites fan forever more.

Roop Singh is now a minor celebrity amongst the North End faithful and he reflects on meeting Noel Edmonds, beating the Banker and following PNE wherever they go.

Starting his career as an engineer in the 1970’s, going to football matches on Saturday afternoons was almost a part of the weekly routine. Working in Leeds he went to Elland Road to support the great Leeds United team of the 1970’s which won the Football League First Division and the European Cup.

However, for Roop the experience of watching the likes of Peter Lorimer, Billy Bremner and Paul Reaney soon turned sour. He was a victim of racial abuse from a small section of Leeds United fans. This small minority would turn their attention onto him and shout racial abuse and prod Roop.

He said: “It was very uncomfortable for me because I didn’t know if I was going to be safe.

“You try to ignore it (racial abuse) but it lingers in your mind for a couple of days at least.”

He tried watching from the back of the stand so there wasn’t anyone behind him to abuse him but he didn’t like the experience because he felt isolated from the action on the pitch.

As a boy, after his mother told him that he was born in Preston, he used to keep look out for the PNE score and read articles about the team. After years of tracking the team Roop decided to go to Deepdale to watch a Preston North End match. He found the experience a complete contrast. He could go to matches without being racially abused. He could talk to other fans and be treated like a fellow human.

He said: “I found the people of Preston to be very civil and approachable.

“They (Preston North End fans) don’t look at your colour, your creed or your religion. They welcome everybody- you’re a Preston North End fan and you’re one of us.”

[Premi]

https://www.theguardian.com/football/when-saturday-comes-blog/2015/dec/15/punjabi-wolves-fans-group-culture-molineux

Meet Punjabi Wolves, the fans' group bringing culture and noise to Molineux

The Punjabi Wolves supporters’ group, which boasts the club captain as an official ambassador, is helping to educate fellow football fans about their culture

By Adam Bate for When Saturday Comes, part of the Guardian Sport Network

 

Members of the Punjabi Wolves supporters’ group pose outside Valley Parade before their team play Bradford City in 2013. Photograph: SWNS

 

Adam Bate

Tue 15 Dec 2015 11.18 GMT

 

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The year 1954 will always be a special one in the history of Wolverhampton Wanderers. It was then that the club became champions of England for the first time. However, it has belatedly become clear that another occasion of significance to Wolves’ history also took place that year. When two Asian men, Laskar Singh and Lachhman Singh, attended a game with their work colleagues, they began a process that would eventually lead to the formation of one of the country’s largest ethnic supporters’ groups.

More than 60 years on, the Punjabi Wolves boast a diverse membership of over 500 fans. Their presence has been embraced by people within the club and, perhaps most importantly, by their fellow followers of the old gold and black. It helps that Wolves now have the ideal man to reinforce the message. Club captain Danny Batth is celebrated as a homegrown hero having joined at the age of 10. He’s from Brierley Hill, so the South Bank’s song goes, but he also happens to be of Punjabi descent (his middle name is Tanveer).

 

 

 

Batth says he is honoured to be the group’s official ambassador and his presence provides a tangible link between the football club and the city’s immigrant community. Wolverhampton is proud of that legacy but there have been challenges too. After all Enoch Powell, of the notorious Rivers of Blood speech, was the MP for Wolverhampton South West between 1950 and 1974. And yet, it’s now football – so often seen as a divisive and tribal issue – that is proving to be a uniting force within the city.

[Premi]

@dalsingh101

https://www.scoopwhoop.com/The-Singh-Family-Manchester-United-Biggest-Supporters/

[HSD]

9 hours ago, paapiman said:

Was any action taken against them?

Did Twitter ban these racist idiots or not?

 

Bhul chuk maaf

Only one of the accounts was closed. It’s not that surprising as these views are widely held amongst football fans and players alike. Sikhs seem to be obsessed with football thinking it is a sign of acceptance and inclusiveness when in reality the brits only tolerate these Sikhs because they buy tickets kits etc - they just want our money. They pretend not to be racist when it suits them. 

The brits themselves only like football as it gives them some sense of individuality by supporting a team they can claim they have a link to or gives them a sense of belonging. In reality they are pretty much all the same and the theatrics they go through, whether in sport or politics, are just for show. If you banned football or anything else tribal, these floaters would just start arguing and fighting over which flavour of crisps is the best. It’s just their nature. 
 

There is a racial nickname that Sikhs have in the U.K. that started in the football terraces and used to be used in some of their chants. If you know what it is you would think it’s ironic considering what they do to their women every time England lose a football match. 

[dalsingh101]

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Most of these guys look like they should watch less, and play more.........

[GurjantGnostic]

1 hour ago, dalsingh101 said:

Most of these guys look like they should watch less, and play more.........

Amen bro. More people should play more and watch less. Kind of like Dharam and religion. Everybody is focused on what team to root for and nobody's playing the game. Expecting to get into heaven based on someone else's gameplay. 

[Premi]

1 hour ago, GurjantGnostic said:

Amen bro. More people should play more and watch less. Kind of like Dharam and religion. Everybody is focused on what team to root for and nobody's playing the game. Expecting to get into heaven based on someone else's gameplay. 

Another thing about 'watching' sports (and even other entertainment like music and film) is we are promoting individuals to 'hero' or 'God' worship

[GurjantGnostic]

Just now, Premi said:

Another thing about 'watching' sports (and even other entertainment like music and film) is we are promoting individuals to 'hero' or 'God' worship

Amen bro. A lot idolization and toxic emotions. Lack of empathy. No repsect in it these days.