Sajjan_Thug Posted August 1, 2022 Report Share Posted August 1, 2022 Nihangs have 300 years of experience and Dasam Granth Bir Rass. Why aren't they helping end the Ukraine Russia war? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paapiman Posted August 1, 2022 Report Share Posted August 1, 2022 3 hours ago, Sajjan_Thug said: Nihangs have 300 years of experience and Dasam Granth Bir Rass. Why aren't they helping end the Ukraine Russia war? Is this a sarcastic question bro? Bhul chuk maaf 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paapiman Posted August 1, 2022 Report Share Posted August 1, 2022 3 hours ago, Sajjan_Thug said: Nihangs have 300 years of experience and Dasam Granth Bir Rass. Why aren't they helping end the Ukraine Russia war? Why should we get involved in White people's wars, after being betrayed by the West (in the 1980's)? Bhul chuk maaf 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sajjan_Thug Posted August 1, 2022 Author Report Share Posted August 1, 2022 1 hour ago, paapiman said: Is this a sarcastic question bro? Bhul chuk maaf Why would it be a sarcastic question? Budha Dal is a Dal. They are known as Guru Ki Fauj. They stay tyar bar tyar. They practice kshatriya dharm. If they aren't going to protect the weak and poor then what is their purpose? Then why do we still have them? Budha Dal is also chakrabarti fauj 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premi Posted August 1, 2022 Report Share Posted August 1, 2022 I agree with @paapiman why do Sikhs need to get involved in something that has nothing to do with us? @Sajjan_Thug Ji, how should Buddha Dal travel to Europe ? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sajjan_Thug Posted August 1, 2022 Author Report Share Posted August 1, 2022 2 hours ago, paapiman said: Why should we get involved in White people's wars, A better way to look at this is through the lens of Gurmat and not through western terminology. Which will give us a distorted reality. Our own terms means we define ourself. Our terminology is: Dharmic vs Adharmic Sat vs Asat Gurmat vs Manmat Rajo Sat Tamo varti Gurmukh vs Manmukh etc... 2 hours ago, paapiman said: after being betrayed by the West (in the 1980's)? Bhul chuk maaf How come puratan sampradays, Sants and Budha Dal Fauj can't overcome any obstacles that the panth face? The colonial period, 1947, 1984. Why do you think they can't overcome the opponents? Do they lack strategic thinking or are they not aware of the real problems and how to deal with them? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GurjantGnostic Posted August 1, 2022 Report Share Posted August 1, 2022 41 minutes ago, Sajjan_Thug said: A better way to look at this is through the lens of Gurmat and not through western terminology. Which will give us a distorted reality. Our own terms means we define ourself. Our terminology is: Dharmic vs Adharmic Sat vs Asat Gurmat vs Manmat Rajo Sat Tamo varti Gurmukh vs Manmukh etc... How come puratan sampradays, Sants and Budha Dal Fauj can't overcome any obstacles that the panth face? The colonial period, 1947, 1984. Why do you think they can't overcome the opponents? Do they lack strategic thinking or are they not aware of the real problems and how to deal with them? What didn't they overcome? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GurjantGnostic Posted August 1, 2022 Report Share Posted August 1, 2022 6 hours ago, Sajjan_Thug said: Nihangs have 300 years of experience and Dasam Granth Bir Rass. Why aren't they helping end the Ukraine Russia war? You have a lifetime of experience with Gurbani, why you still haven't got Mukte? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arsh1469 Posted August 2, 2022 Report Share Posted August 2, 2022 9 hours ago, Sajjan_Thug said: Nihangs have 300 years of experience and Dasam Granth Bir Rass. Why aren't they helping end the Ukraine Russia war? No offence but when is the last time you have seen the Dal (Not a few Nihangs the whole Dal) do something to help the panth. They didn’t help during 1984. They didn’t fight the British. Heck the Namdharis were so popular because they gave Amrit for free while you had to pay Nihangs to get amrit. They have so much internal fighting over leadership. I know some Nihangs and I see them just drinking so much bhang and whatever your opinion on it may be there is a limit that Nihangs cross. I hear Nihangs worship Durga and not like as an aspect of God or something but as a supreme deti. The Nihangs aren’t what they used to be. By the start of the 20th century most Nihangs became for the show and were not at all warriors. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GurjantGnostic Posted August 2, 2022 Report Share Posted August 2, 2022 3 minutes ago, Arsh1469 said: No offence but when is the last time you have seen the Dal (Not a few Nihangs the whole Dal) do something to help the panth. They didn’t help during 1984. They didn’t fight the British. Heck the Namdharis were so popular because they gave Amrit for free while you had to pay Nihangs to get amrit. They have so much internal fighting over leadership. I know some Nihangs and I see them just drinking so much bhang and whatever your opinion on it may be there is a limit that Nihangs cross. I hear Nihangs worship Durga and not like as an aspect of God or something but as a supreme deti. The Nihangs aren’t what they used to be. By the start of the 20th century most Nihangs became for the show and were not at all warriors. The entire Paanth has become less Sipahi not just Nihangs. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arsh1469 Posted August 2, 2022 Report Share Posted August 2, 2022 Just now, GurjantGnostic said: The entire Paanth has become less Sipahi not just Nihangs. True but at least Taksal went strong and some of the panth in the 80s. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GurjantGnostic Posted August 2, 2022 Report Share Posted August 2, 2022 Just now, Arsh1469 said: True but at least Taksal went strong and some of the panth in the 80s. Agreed. Even mona. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arsh1469 Posted August 2, 2022 Report Share Posted August 2, 2022 Even the AKJ helped in the 80s and 70s against Nirankari. Sant Jarnail Singh never like some modern Sikh called their rehat out. He knew the most important thing was Panthic unity. Baba Nihal Singh was the only Nihang I know of who supported Sant Ji. All the other Nihangs turned their back. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Singh2022 Posted August 2, 2022 Report Share Posted August 2, 2022 1 hour ago, Arsh1469 said: Even the AKJ helped in the 80s and 70s against Nirankari. Sant Jarnail Singh never like some modern Sikh called their rehat out. He knew the most important thing was Panthic unity. Baba Nihal Singh was the only Nihang I know of who supported Sant Ji. All the other Nihangs turned their back. Most innocent Singh killed by Gurbachana were from AKJ. AKJ widows are known to have stated that Chowk Mehta Deradars instigated yet were AWOL versus Gurbachana thugs when AKJ Singhs were killed 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Singh2022 Posted August 2, 2022 Report Share Posted August 2, 2022 2 hours ago, Arsh1469 said: No offence but when is the last time you have seen the Dal (Not a few Nihangs the whole Dal) do something to help the panth. They didn’t help during 1984. They didn’t fight the British. Heck the Namdharis were so popular because they gave Amrit for free while you had to pay Nihangs to get amrit. They have so much internal fighting over leadership. I know some Nihangs and I see them just drinking so much bhang and whatever your opinion on it may be there is a limit that Nihangs cross. I hear Nihangs worship Durga and not like as an aspect of God or something but as a supreme deti. The Nihangs aren’t what they used to be. By the start of the 20th century most Nihangs became for the show and were not at all warriors. Spot on Paji. The rot set in with the neo-Nihangs after 1849 when the true (worthy of the name) Nihangs were massacred by the racist British Empire that in turn replaced the real authentic Nihangs respected by all in the Panth with stooges loyal to the racist British Empire, fond of drugs and Charitropakhiyan Jaaps with their Hindu Mahant handlers. Santa and Poohla exemplify this neo-Nihang mindset in the 20th century too. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Singh2022 Posted August 2, 2022 Report Share Posted August 2, 2022 6 hours ago, Sajjan_Thug said: A better way to look at this is through the lens of Gurmat and not through western terminology. Which will give us a distorted reality. Our own terms means we define ourself. Our terminology is: Dharmic vs Adharmic Sat vs Asat Gurmat vs Manmat Rajo Sat Tamo varti Gurmukh vs Manmukh etc... How come puratan sampradays, Sants and Budha Dal Fauj can't overcome any obstacles that the panth face? The colonial period, 1947, 1984. Why do you think they can't overcome the opponents? Do they lack strategic thinking or are they not aware of the real problems and how to deal with them? They can't overcome the opponent's of the Sikh Qaum because many of them are in bed with and employed by the enemies of the Sikh Panth all the way back to 1849 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Singh2022 Posted August 2, 2022 Report Share Posted August 2, 2022 5 hours ago, GurjantGnostic said: What didn't they overcome? Enemies and obstacles facing the Panth bro after 1849. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Singh2022 Posted August 2, 2022 Report Share Posted August 2, 2022 6 hours ago, Premi said: 1. why do Sikhs need to get involved in something that has nothing to do with us? 2. how should Dal(s) travel to Europe? 1. Try telling that to Simranjit Singh Mann as he literally advocated Sikhs fighting for the neo-Nazi Azov Battalion! 2. Presumably many that support Santa or Poohla as heroes would answer via horseback or bouncing bongs and crackpipes or that being intoxicated by excess bhang gives them wings? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Singh2022 Posted August 2, 2022 Report Share Posted August 2, 2022 On 8/1/2022 at 9:57 PM, Sajjan_Thug said: Why would it be a sarcastic question? Budha Dal is a Dal. They are known as Guru Ki Fauj. They stay tyar bar tyar. They practice kshatriya dharm. If they aren't going to protect the weak and poor then what is their purpose? Then why do we still have them? Budha Dal is also chakrabarti fauj The neo-Nihangs supported the racist British Empire between 1849-1947, then they supported terrorist Indira Gandhi (just as JSB realised he had been manipulated by her) and if they are nowadays involved in encouraging drug culture in Punjab instead of fighting a war on synthetic and Pakistani supplied drugs then they can hardly help outside of anywhere their masters in RAW are not willing to direct them. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Singh2022 Posted August 2, 2022 Report Share Posted August 2, 2022 8 hours ago, paapiman said: Why should we get involved in White people's wars, after being betrayed by the West (in the 1980's)? Was not WW1 also a war which had nothing to do with Sikhs too per se? As we see from Jallianwala Bagh subsequently 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Singh2022 Posted August 2, 2022 Report Share Posted August 2, 2022 12 hours ago, Sajjan_Thug said: Nihangs have years of experience Bir Rass. True Nihangs were Guru ki ladli Fauj for 150years from 1699. The Triya Charitar Beer Ras types after 1849 have no right to associate themselves with the word Nihang given their support for the racist British Empire, the Beer Ras they get from Charitropakhiyan ancient Hindu erotica and terrorist Indira Gandhi and how the fake nangs are encouraging Masjids and Churches in east Punjab nowadays under the guise of inter-faith harmony in order to render Sikhs a minority in east Punjab by the 2031 census. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shastarSingh Posted August 2, 2022 Report Share Posted August 2, 2022 22 hours ago, Sajjan_Thug said: Nihangs have 300 years of experience and Dasam Granth Bir Rass. Why aren't they helping end the Ukraine Russia war? Large portion of our panth mocks nihangs as druggies and illiterate unparr people. Dal Panth Nihangs will rule over the world but 2 things hv to be done. 1. Panth will need to like and support nihangs economically.Dal Panth shud hv Money and resources to recruit young talented spiritual Sikh boys and give them decent salary for doing parchar and other sewa. 2. Dal Panth will also need to make minor improvements. We hv 18th century evidence of meat and shaheedi degh and panth will need to respect that. Khalsa panth is not a Bammann type vaishnuu vegetarian panth. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shastarSingh Posted August 2, 2022 Report Share Posted August 2, 2022 23 minutes ago, shastarSingh said: Large portion of our panth mocks nihangs as druggies and illiterate unparr people. Dal Panth Nihangs will rule over the world but 2 things hv to be done. 1. Panth will need to like and support nihangs economically.Dal Panth shud hv Money and resources to recruit young talented spiritual Sikh boys and give them decent salary for doing parchar and other sewa. 2. Dal Panth will also need to make minor improvements. We hv 18th century evidence of meat and shaheedi degh and panth will need to respect that. Khalsa panth is not a Bammann type vaishnuu vegetarian panth. Buddha Dal is an army. Do people in worldly armies work free of cost??? Answer is NO. Army people all over the world get good salaries and many other benefits. If Buddha Dal is strong enough to give good salaries, sikh parents will encourage their children to wear baana, keep rehit and serve in Dal Panth. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shastarSingh Posted August 2, 2022 Report Share Posted August 2, 2022 1 minute ago, shastarSingh said: Buddha Dal is an army. Do people in worldly armies work free of cost??? Answer is NO. Army people all over the world get good salaries and many other benefits. If Buddha Dal is strong enough to give good salaries, sikh parents will encourage their children to wear baana, keep rehit and serve in Dal Panth. SGPC is a failure. They hv so much money in their golaks. Buddha Dal is Panjva Takht and shud control our gurdwaras. The great amount of Golak money which sikh Sangat donates could be used by Dal Panth to keep a strong rehitvaan army of brave and talented Singhs. In this world, EVERYTHING needs money. Keeping a brave and well trained army needs a lots of money. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GurjantGnostic Posted August 2, 2022 Report Share Posted August 2, 2022 16 minutes ago, shastarSingh said: SGPC is a failure. They hv so much money in their golaks. Buddha Dal is Panjva Takht and shud control our gurdwaras. The great amount of Golak money which sikh Sangat donates could be used by Dal Panth to keep a strong rehitvaan army of brave and talented Singhs. In this world, EVERYTHING needs money. Keeping a brave and well trained army needs a lots of money. In the mean time we can morally support the Dals, and all equip ourselves like an ad hoc militia. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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