Jathedar condemns threat letters to Sikhs in Pakistan

[dalsingh101]

5 hours ago, Singh2022 said:

The silent majority of Diaspora youth from various Jatt, Tarkhan, Khatri, Ravidassia, Mazhabi, Bhatt backgrounds etc, etc and others all realise that in the face of overwhelming demographics arranged against us we either unite with love for one another and learn from how the lions of our Panth discarded their erstwhile societal backgrounds for a solely Gurmat compatible Sikh identity as we see in the examples of Shaheed Baba Deep Singh Ji, Shaheed Bhai Sukha Singh Ji, Sardar Hari Singh Nalwa, Giani Ditt Singh Ji, Bhai Jiwan Singh Ji, Shaheed Bhai Mati Das Ji, Shaheed Bhai Sati Das Ji etc, etc

This is wrong. The majority have become quietist, comfortable softies. Those that aren't are usually involved in the drugs trade and being sociopathic usually don't have any particular affiliation beyond whatever is useful for them in their 'business', and are happy to be 'friends' with whoever in this respect and overlook certain things like grooming. 

[GurjantGnostic]

15 hours ago, Singh2022 said:

Premi Singh:

Let's say the British carried out Genocide against the Sikhs in 1984.

Thereafter a minority of Sikhs burn the British flag in Slough with resulting bad PR for Sikhs more generally in the UK

Would you not expect some Sikhs in London to subsequently signal to the local population that they do not support burning of the Slavemaster flag known as the Union Jack? Would it imply that Sikhs who want to peacefully continue living as British citizens in London are "Christians pretending to be Sikhs"?

One can say that instead of maligning a legit movement and waving a slave master's flag?

[GurjantGnostic]

15 hours ago, Singh2022 said:

Nobody apart from Sikhs cares about the Genocide inflicted on Sikhs by Indira Gandhi and Rajiv Gandhi.

I think you're asleep on how many non Sikhs care about that in general and specifically. 

[GurjantGnostic]

15 hours ago, Singh2022 said:

Not so bro. Also please read into the history of one word you would do well to edit please.

Anybody that attends Gurdwara or partakes of Guru ka Langar is a de facto Sikh (learner) in the puratan definition.

You missed that bro. 

[chatanga1]

19 hours ago, dalsingh101 said:

 

 

19 hours ago, dalsingh101 said:

@chatanga1

 

Face it, you have nothing of any substance to say. Out of date dinosaur. 

 

Why face it alone? You haven't said anything new or of substance for years.

The only thing you managed to say in the last week was incredible nonsense, none of which you have been able to back up even though requested several times. That should create a label for you.

 

5 hours ago, dalsingh101 said:

I don't think you know what you are talking about. That started in Africa way before by the looks of it. Where tarkhans and lohars (and others) finally got their own space from jut stupidity. 

 

And these tincan turkans started up their own sphere of stupidity resulting in you.

[dalsingh101]

10 hours ago, GurjantGnostic said:

One can say that instead of maligning a legit movement and waving a slave master's flag?

What you are saying would be more valid if we didn't have a LONG history of juts doing large-scale collusion with brits and waving their flags about, and physically enforcing and spreading the racist colonial agenda and power all over the globe, being active participants in suppressing and oppressing other communities.  Those people in Delhi aren't doing anything remotely reprehensible compared to that.

 

And the truth is that most rural Panjabis are pretty useless at economic development, and prefer to lazily hide behind government backed initiatives that give them money for crops that often rot away. The only alternative they seem to have is to fly off to the diaspora to do low skilled work to support the whole failed economic model in Panjab. I don't have to be a fanboy of hindus to see that the current government there is pulling off big things, and also see how this could actually benefit Sikhs who actually envision a future that doesn't revolve around agriculture.     

[chatanga1]

5 minutes ago, dalsingh101 said:

What you are saying would be more valid if we didn't have a LONG history of juts doing large-scale collusion with brits and waving their flags about,

 

Thats yesteryear. Let's talk about the here and now. Tincan Zail Singh fomenting unrest in Panjab to divide Akali votes to give his mentor indira a political advantage. The same zail singh who said he would sweep her office if she asked him to.

 

And lets bring it up to today, shameless sikhs in delhi waving tirangas around for the same masters who were part of the widow colony.

 

 

[dalsingh101]

1 hour ago, GurjantGnostic said:

I think you're asleep on how many non Sikhs care about that in general and specifically. 

Don't over-estimate that either. Truth is, when it comes to these things, most people prioritise their own needs over faraway human rights violations. Which is normally only a tool for the west to hypocritically try and batter some opponent on the head with.  

[chatanga1]

6 minutes ago, dalsingh101 said:

I don't have to be a fanboy of hindus to see that the current government there is pulling of big things,

spoken like a true sycophant of the zail singh category. Just like the british criminals who pushed india into the steam engine and transport revolution in india. the same british criminals who killed millions of indians yet proudly boast "we stopped sati...."

[dalsingh101]

7 minutes ago, chatanga1 said:

 

Thats yesteryear. Let's talk about the here and now. Tincan Zail Singh fomenting unrest in Panjab to divide Akali votes to give his mentor indira a political advantage. The same zail singh who said he would sweep her office if she asked him to.

 

And lets bring it up to today, shameless sikhs in delhi waving tirangas around for the same masters who were part of the widow colony.

Nah, you're still the same, looking for some ar5e to crawl up. You've realised the west don't actually give a shyte despite giving you the run round for decade upon decade, and now you want to crawl up stani ar5e. 

Clueless.

 

And I tell you who was infinitely worse than zail (as big a disgrace as he was), people like your uncle KPS Gill here, who'd actually kill his own for money and that same flag. Not to mention how many of your biraderi brother police men were doing the same......'

You're the biggest sell outs.

[chatanga1]

23 minutes ago, dalsingh101 said:

Nah, you're still the same, looking for some ar5e to crawl up.

 

Well make some space! You're already there so why are you taking up the space? You want the ar5e all for yourself?

 

24 minutes ago, dalsingh101 said:

You've realised the west don't actually give a shyte despite giving you the run round for decade upon decade, and now you want to crawl up stani ar5e. 

Clueless.

Just like your nana zail singh hopefully figured out that indira or india didn't give a shyte about him. He was the first sikh that was attacked after indira was shot. How clueless is that??

 

 

24 minutes ago, dalsingh101 said:

And I tell you who was infinitely worse than zail (as big a disgrace as he was), people like your uncle KPS Gill here, who'd actually kill his own for money and that same flag. Not to mention how many of your biraderi brother police men were doing the same......'

You're the biggest sell outs.

 

yes gill was worse, but let's face it. if it wasn't for zail singh there would never have been a gill. it was your nana zail's example of shameless slave-mode and adulation chasing that inspired gill. You know the "skill" that tincans have.

 

[dalsingh101]

1 hour ago, chatanga1 said:

 

Well make some space! You're already there so why are you taking up the space? You want the ar5e all for yourself?

 

Just like your nana zail singh hopefully figured out that indira or india didn't give a shyte about him. He was the first sikh that was attacked after indira was shot. How clueless is that??

 

 

 

yes gill was worse, but let's face it. if it wasn't for zail singh there would never have been a gill. it was your nana zail's example of shameless slave-mode and adulation chasing that inspired gill. You know the "skill" that tincans have.

 

 

 

[chatanga1]

It's amazing how skilled tincans can't back up any of their rubbish with facts, yet find time make cartoons pulled deep out of the ar5e they crawled up....lol

 

You must still be signing on tincan.

[dalsingh101]

2 minutes ago, chatanga1 said:

It's amazing how skilled tincans can't back up any of their rubbish with facts, yet find time make cartoons pulled deep out of the ar5e they crawled up....lol

 

You must still be signing on tincan.

We got skills mf! Going back centuries. Remember that. lol

Anyway,  you want to talk about sell outs, look closer to home. Plus, seeing as you're from a Badal supporting family, the mirror is also good. 

[chatanga1]

2 minutes ago, dalsingh101 said:

We got skills mf

what skills mf? running away from debate? making imbecilic statements ? ar5e crawling? keep your skills lol.

 

2 minutes ago, dalsingh101 said:

Anyway,  you want to talk about sell outs, look closer to home.

i can just log into SA and read your drivel.

[dalsingh101]

37 minutes ago, chatanga1 said:

what skills mf? running away from debate? making imbecilic statements ? ar5e crawling? keep your skills lol.

 

i can just log into SA and read your drivel.

In terms of background culture and skills. Just to give your peasant illusions of grandeur a little check, remember: This is what I descend from:

 

This is what you descend from (you seem to love having your ar5es out??): 

 

 

 

 

[chatanga1]

9 minutes ago, dalsingh101 said:

This is what I descend from:

So how on earth did you sink to your current low levels??? Your tincan ancestors must be looking at you and thinking what on earth is this thing and how is this dumb mf unable to provide simple answers to someone who has played computer games for the last two years?.....lol

 

 

9 minutes ago, dalsingh101 said:

This is what you descend from (you seem to love having your ar5es out??): 

And that's the sad thing really. You are still to ascend to that level. Put your time and energy into learning and sharing. Like your ancestor tincans did. And maybe you will.

[dalsingh101]

@chatanga1

I supported the idea of Khalistan for a long while.  I don't now for a variety of reasons. I respect those that still do (and aren't all mouth), and also respect those that don't. I understand the issues behind this are complex, the geopolitics of the region are very complex. I do believe the expression of Sikh sovereignty is important and central to Sikh ethos, I just don't believe there is just one way to express and manifest this sovereignty.

What I have no respect for is peasants who try and claim those who have an opinion different to theirs are sell outs. Some of the reasons for this are referred to (albeit crudely and bluntly) above. 

I hope that all that head waggling you've probably grown up with whilst bhangra-paaing hasn't damaged your brain to the extent that you can't grasp this. 

[Singh2022]

11 hours ago, dalsingh101 said:

That started in Africa way before by the looks of it.

Yes you are right that a small racist minority of Tarkhan sycophants of the British Empire in Africa did indeed try to appropriate the name Ramgarhia at the behest of the British. The British realised that Giani Ditt Singh Ji of the Singh Sabha being of Chamar ancestry and intellectually leading the Sikh Panth was a long term threat to the British Empire as we see via the Gurdwara Reform Movement in the years that followed eventually culminating in the collapse of the British Empire.

Thus despite Tarkhans being the overwhelming majority ancestry of those employed by the British Empire in Africa - with there simply being no possibility of Gurdwara control by eithers - the bogus exclusive identity was cooked up by the British to divide and rule Sikhs. Zail Sin reinforced that by instructing all Ramgarhia named Golak's in the Diaspora to ensure that only those with two Tarkhan parents may be granted membership in order to spread his apartheid ideology as a way of defeating and dividing Sikhs.

It falls on the Diaspora youth to continue educate all that the Ramgarhia Misl's warriors were composed 90% of Amritdhari fighters from erstwhile non-tarkhan occupations and diverse ancestries such as erstwhile Pandits, Farmers, Leatherworkers, Mazhabi's, etc, etc you name it. Anybody that insults Tarkhans is insulting the sacred memory of one of our greatest Gurmukhs such as Bhai Lalo Ji and the noble profession of Shaheed Bhai Sukha Singh Ji to give but two examples as Tarkhan, Jatt, Mazabhi and Ravidassia ancestry are four of the fingers in the united clenched fist of the Sikh Qaum. We need complete pyaar and nimarta towards fellow Sikhs regardless of what their ancestors tribe or profession was and regardless of it they are African or Caucasian by phenotype.

As Sikhs we should be proud that we are the only Qaum that has been led into battle by the most able leaders (regardless of their background) in contrast with Muslims and Hindu's who scoffed at Bhai Jiwan Singh Ji (who the Muslims disparaged as a mere Bihari scavenger in their writings and insults) and Bhai Sangat Singh Ji (who again the Muslims disparaged as a mere Chamar) being appointed to lead the Khalsa Fauj by Dhan Dhan Guru Gobind Singh Ji Maharaj.

 

[dalsingh101]

55 minutes ago, Singh2022 said:

Yes you are right that a small racist minority of Tarkhan sycophants of the British Empire in Africa did indeed try to appropriate the name Ramgarhia at the behest of the British. The British realised that Giani Ditt Singh Ji of the Singh Sabha being of Chamar ancestry and intellectually leading the Sikh Panth was a long term threat to the British Empire as we see via the Gurdwara Reform Movement in the years that followed eventually culminating in the collapse of the British Empire.

Thus despite Tarkhans being the overwhelming majority ancestry of those employed by the British Empire in Africa - with there simply being no possibility of Gurdwara control by eithers - the bogus exclusive identity was cooked up by the British to divide and rule Sikhs. Zail Sin reinforced that by instructing all Ramgarhia named Golak's in the Diaspora to ensure that only those with two Tarkhan parents may be granted membership in order to spread his apartheid ideology as a way of defeating and dividing Sikhs.

 

I must say you do seem to know about a lot of events in Sikh ithihaas.  

 

Another example of anti-Tarkhan jut 'his'tory is the way they almost obliterated the memory of Dasmesh Pita's adopted and beloved tarkhan son, who he named as his other Zorowar Singh.  

 

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Zail Sin reinforced that by instructing all Ramgarhia named Golak's in the Diaspora to ensure that only those with two Tarkhan parents may be granted membership in order to spread his apartheid ideology as a way of defeating and dividing Sikhs.

I don't know if he did this (you have any evidence?), but I don't think it's a bad idea at this stage given what I've seen of jut kartootan in Gurdwaras over the decades. 

You shouldn't see it like that. If the truly sycophantic, heavily compromised, anglo ar5e-licking, christianised  slave Singh Sabha movement doesn't pull off it's european-inferiority complex compromised agenda, it's good we have an alternative network. 

 

[dalsingh101]

4 hours ago, chatanga1 said:

And that's the sad thing really. You are still to ascend to that level. Put your time and energy into learning and sharing. Like your ancestor tincans did. And maybe you will.

Fudhoo low IQ jut, we already have. Have you seen what your jut phudhu pendu brothers do 99% of the time  for a living in the UK? 

You'd probably still be sepoys taking it up your bhundhs from english men if we didn't. Don't be ungrateful! (Maybe you people actually enjoy all that gay gora stuff actually - who knows?)

 

 

 

PUTT JUT DEY!!! BWAAAAHH!!!!!

[Singh2022]

17 hours ago, dalsingh101 said:

This is wrong. 

My point being that in the interactions I have had in my life, I have myself observed that the majority of fellow Sikhs from all diverse ancestry backgrounds such as Jatt, Ravidassia, Tarkhan, Arora, Bhatra etc, etc are decent non-casteist people. A small but vocal minority of casteists such as KP Gill or Zail Sin or Khemu Bedi should not be allowed to poison the well for new generations of Sikhs who thirst for a unified and expanding all inclusive Sikh Panth. 

12 hours ago, dalsingh101 said:

What you are saying would be more valid if we didn't have a LONG history of juts doing large-scale collusion with brits and waving their flags about, and physically enforcing and spreading the racist colonial agenda and power all over the globe, being active participants in suppressing and oppressing other communities.  Those people in Delhi aren't doing anything remotely reprehensible compared to that.

100% agreed the minority that served the British within our ranks were a million terms worse than PR protest

And the truth is that most rural Panjabis are pretty useless at economic development

I disagree. Look at the amazing economic success of rural Punjabi's from Mazhabi, Tarkhan, Jatt, Ravidassia and Bhatra backgrounds to name but five rural communities that spring to mind.

The overwhelming majority of Granthi's in Gurdwara's in Punjab are from a Mazhabi background and similarly in Canada and America they are the primary beneficiaries of Green Cards and PR cards on that basis. Because Mazhabi's are the most pukkeh Sikhs and children impacted by Gurbani succeed far more academically as a consequence it is clear to see. 

Tarkhans spearheaded the Green revolution via machinery engineering at a time when India could ill afford imports.

Jatts are vastly over-represented among realtors in Canada to name but one business profession.

Whilst Bhatra's were the original enterprising rural  Sikh immigrants to the UK a 100years ago.

Whereas the economic condition of leatherworking ancestry folks is pitiful outside Punjab, in Punjab they have been CM of Punjab and run multiple businesses. 

All five rural communities were considered so-called "low castes" by Manuvadi soch but the spiritual freedom and personal self-confidence that Sikhi imbibes ensure that all five rural communities are highly enterprising and significantly better off than their Hindu and Muslim counterparts in India and Pakistan.     

Collectively, Sikh Diaspora communities have the highest rates of home ownership in both Canada and the UK 

5 hours ago, dalsingh101 said:

anti-Tarkhan

To be Sikh and anti-Tarkhan is mutually exclusive. Only non-Sikhs such as the Pakistani's can be anti-Tarkhan. The reason being that all sincere Sikhs revere Gurmukhs like Bhai Lalo Ji and the valiant example of Shaheed Bhai Sukha Singh. Furthermore, the vast majority of weapons manufacturing for the Sikh Panth was historically done by those of Sikligar, Lohar and Tarkhan backgrounds.

Similarly, when 40% of the Sikh Panth is of Jatt ancestry in Punjab we need to recognise that the enemy is the minority of casteists within their ranks and not the silent majority of the same who despise Muslim Jatt groomers and Sajjan Kumar types as much as all other ancestry background Sikhs do. 

I don't know if he did this 

Study the exponential growth of apartheid Golak committees between 1972-1987 as a result of Zail's divide and rule funding concept. The idea being that by setting up Apartheid Golak's the Anandpur Sahib resolution and opposition to Indira would be torpedoed. And this was why 30 years after the devastating Pakistani Genocide of Sikhs that Zail and Sanjay Gandhi felt it was wise to forget a Genocide of that magnitude and deliberately promote the obscure Chowk Mehta Dera (Jatha Bhindran). And hence the spectacle of the so-called DDT supporting Congress (Indira) and Raghunandan Lal Bhatia so openly in the 1980 elections which bought her back to power with devastating consequences for the Sikh Qaum in the following years.

 

Interestingly, it is suspected that actor Daljit Kalsi has played a similar role with the seemingly overnight transformation and return to India of NRI Amritpal Dubai.

 

but I don't think it's a bad idea at this stage given what I've seen of jut kartootan in Gurdwaras over the decades. 

If you think apartheid golaks and apartheid matrimonial circles are anything but a route map towards the demographic annihalation of the Sikh Panth in the Diaspora and indeed Punjab's villages where a new Church and new Mosque in every village are envisioned by our enemies, then you are sorely mistaken. If you think grooming by Muslim Jatts has been bad in the past then wait till the Muslim population is 13million in the UK to see that conditions will get way worse unless the Sikh Diaspora youth make a conscious effort to unite immediately and eradicate this cancerous apartheid mentality by only one united Gurdwara per pind and locality.

https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2017/11/29/europes-growing-muslim-population/

You shouldn't see it like that. If the truly sycophantic, heavily compromised, anglo ar5e-licking, christianised  slave movement doesn't pull off it's european-inferiority complex compromised agenda, it's good we have an alternative network. 

I think you are conflating the  Amritsar SS of Khemu Bedi and the British sponsored 1897 Sodhak Committee (which I agree were all of those things) with Giani Ditt Singh Ji's Lahore Singh Sabha which doubled the percentage of Sikhs from initially one in twenty Punjabi's when the racist British Slavemaster Empire took over to the time of Giani Ditt Singh Ji's death. Primarily due to the massive influx of additional numbers of Mazhabi and Ravidassia ancestry new Sikhs and other economically weaker rural communities into the Panth that proved the difference between our Qaum's survival in 1947 and our annihilation had Jinnah succeeded in annexing east Punjab to Pakistan as he and Brahmin Muslim Allama Iqbal and Muslim Jatt Liaquat Ali Khan (Pakistani Prime Minister) so passionately desired.

 

[chatanga1]

6 hours ago, dalsingh101 said:

I don't know if he did this (you have any evidence?),

 

Lol. The highly skilled tincan that runs away from this very question asking this very question...oh the hypocrisy.....lol

[Premi]

@kdsingh80

This is what we think of urban Sikhs and their loyalty and damage they have done to the 'Sardaar' image (whilst doing relatively little useful for the wider Sikh community or Sikh issues , unlike rural Sikhs)

I bet you are a big supporter of India in cricket!

Thank you to @chatanga1 Veer who is giving us a different perspective to Dalsingh's usual 'blame it on jatts'

 

And @dalsingh101 how many of the Kharkhus in Panjab in the 1980s-1990s were from Tarkhaans? Very few it seems to me

[dalsingh101]

6 hours ago, Premi said:

And @dalsingh101 how many of the Kharkhus in Panjab in the 1980s-1990s were from Tarkhaans? Very few it seems to me

What's your point? My village was a kharku one, Tarkhans very quickly learned that the movement was riddled with informants and undercover cats. It's called intelligence - in both senses of the word. Are you really surprised that they stayed aloof given this?  Peasants might glamorise it, but the reality was that the movement was heavily infiltrated and hobbled (sadly). The hypocrisy of juts trying to claim the movement when it was a jut dominated police force that actually brutally and sadistically crushed the movement is astounding. Plus this one is important: no tarkhan I know feels like any hindu-bahmun could ever oppress him or his connection to his dharam. That's something many juts apparently acutely feel, that I don't understand? 

Another reason I strongly recommend tarkhans stay away from these jut led movements is because peasants are frequently myopic and suddenly start singing opposite songs. Chatanga the low IQ northern monkey pendu perfectly illustrates this. After knowing (and posting) about how many Sikh women are abducted and forcefully converted in pedoland, and all the grooming that's gone on here, plus all the 'narco war' from across the border (which seeing as his family are hardcore badal jut pets, they probably make money off on the sly, who knows??) - all of a sudden now, certain K'stanis have turned these same people who've been consistently attacking us into our allies. That's the insanity of jut 'leadership' - they are all over the shop. Can't tell friend from foe. I don't know if that reflects their stupidity or is because they are just plainly super desperate for any 'allies'. In any case, some of us will leave you too it. But don't think that we aren't acutely aware of how jut undersight often f**ks the whole quom up. Like becoming the britishers preferred  pet attack dogs after annexation, and then prancing around the globe enforcing and spreading white supremacism/imperialism, whilst goray rinsed out Panjab.  And then leaving Panjab unguarded whilst fudhooing around fighting in ww2 only to bumble back into the creation of p'stan whilst their goray masters run off and left Sikhs to another massacre and rape frenzy. 

So seeing this trend of sh1tty jut 'leadership' that just brings us into slavery and slaughters, I recommend all intelligent people be alert and on guard for another potential fiasco.   I wish I could hope for better, but lessons from history can't be ignored. And before anyone suggests it: no, we don't want to be leading you and having to deal with typical fudhoo pendu behaviour and mentalities. Like I said, knock yourselves out. 

 

And also premi, you're pulling up those fudhoos for their appalling dress sense and style, and taranga paghs (which I get), but is this gandu looking shyte any better?