SAadmin Posted October 15, 2004 Report Share Posted October 15, 2004 Row over ‘Mundavni’ resurfaces Tribune News Service Amritsar, October 14 The Damdami Taksal (Bhinderan) and the Akhand Kirtani Jatha seem to be on warpath on a controversy over ‘Mundavni’, authored by Sikh scholar Giani Gurdit Singh. Jatha members claimed that the ‘Maryada’ published by Taksal did not conform to the ‘Maryada’, prescribed by Akal Takht and the SGPC. While Jathedar of Patna Sahib Giani Iqbal Singh had already imposed a ban on the controversial book ‘Mundavni’, the Damdami Taksal had supported the move. However, the Akhand Kirtani Jatha has openly come in the support of Giani Gurdit Singh and concluded that the bhog of Akhand Path should be on ‘Mundavni’ only. Bibi Harsharn Kaur and Bhai Mohan Singh said that Akal Takht was supreme and its directive on panthic issues should be considered as final. They said other takhts had the right to take up local issues only. The Akhand Kirtani Jatha said the controversy over ‘Mundavni’ was uncalled for as the matter was closed by Akal Takht and the SGPC in 1945. Hence, as per the panthic decision, ‘Raagmala’ has not been recited from Akal Takht since then. The jatha members said nobody had the right to divide the panth by raising controversial issues again and again. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 15, 2004 Report Share Posted October 15, 2004 This book needs to be banned from all takths... and its author should be declared tankhaiya and along with their supporters??? Woooooo Woooooo Woooo Woooo Wooo.. :D Bad boys, bad boys/boiz... watchya gonnna do ... watchya gonna do When we Come for you... !!!!!!!!!!!! :wink: :wink: :sikhiwink2: La la la la lal .. do be doo quack quack quack... do be do quack quack... :mrgreen: 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drawrof Posted October 15, 2004 Report Share Posted October 15, 2004 banning is a sign of weakness! lets get out of these shells, and break loose. my question to all, can a couple who has not consummated, rave about the fulfillment they get from the physical aspect of their marriage? sadly, this is what I say to all those who waste time arguing over whether raagmalla should be read after some fat dude with a white kurta pajama, blue patiala shahi pagh, speed reads through guruji and murmurs more than half of his "raul"... let me share a story: I met a man once who was learning dilruba from a mirasi in his younger days. the mirasi told him about the effect of raag jaijawanti (which is attributed to guru tegh bahadur ji) and he narrated a story of how his ustaad used to play raag jaijawanti on his sarangi at 9pm...a crowd used to gather and this one old man with a moustache came for a long time, but never spoke....well, one day a saint said to the ustaad "has that old man with the moustache ever spoken to you"....the ustad was in awe because he was surprised the saint knew of the oldman's existence and he said "no never...." the saint interupted and said "how do you expect a jinn to speak!".... (this is a true story).... if guru ji's raags can attract spirits...what can guruji's baani attract, and I say in conclusion.... "let one who has experienced baani, speak on these matters" ps. don't post with "good job" or anything else, lets get this topic going! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 15, 2004 Report Share Posted October 15, 2004 I meant refuted first than banned ! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samosasingh Posted October 15, 2004 Report Share Posted October 15, 2004 What is a Jinn? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pheena Posted October 15, 2004 Report Share Posted October 15, 2004 What is a Jinn? a Wish Granter or a common term would be a Genie, but its more complex than just the 3 wishes persona. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jassa Posted October 19, 2004 Report Share Posted October 19, 2004 N3o akal takht has not decided to give a decision on raagmala...Pardon my language but who the hell are you to declare who is tankhaaya. You are no authority on sikhi. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 19, 2004 Report Share Posted October 19, 2004 N3o akal takht has not decided to give a decision on raagmala...Pardon my language but who the hell are you to declare who is tankhaaya. You are no authority on sikhi. hheheheheheoeoeoheheheheheheheheh .. i m just giving my views man... soon akaal takth it will be in order of real sampardha's of khalsa panth... then i ll ask them to pack up their booriya bistara 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted October 19, 2004 Report Share Posted October 19, 2004 N3o akal takht has not decided to give a decision on raagmala...Pardon my language but who the hell are you to declare who is tankhaaya. You are no authority on sikhi. Neither are the sgpc or vedanti! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Singh47 Posted October 20, 2004 Report Share Posted October 20, 2004 Baest, are you questioning the authority of the Akal Takht Jathadar? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 21, 2004 Report Share Posted October 21, 2004 i am 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted October 21, 2004 Report Share Posted October 21, 2004 Baest, are you questioning the authority of the Akal Takht Jathadar? Well duuuh! What part of "Neither are the sgpc or vedanti!" didn't u understand lol 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Singh47 Posted October 21, 2004 Report Share Posted October 21, 2004 Oh Sharm Kar Apnay tay! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Sardar Moderator Singh Posted October 21, 2004 Report Share Posted October 21, 2004 OK, joking and other side issues apart...let's get back to discussing the Mundavani please. Thanks, SMS 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shindasingh Posted October 26, 2004 Report Share Posted October 26, 2004 Mundavni -> A book of lies. ‘Raagmala’ has not been recited from Akal Takht since then. The jatha members said nobody had the right to divide the panth by raising controversial issues again and again. -> Sure it hasn't...... :roll: 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tableji Posted October 26, 2004 Report Share Posted October 26, 2004 even jarnail singh got his own relative beaten up coz he read raagmala once at the akaal takht.. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Sardar Moderator Singh Posted October 26, 2004 Report Share Posted October 26, 2004 Please provide some support for your assertion regarding Sant Jarnail Singh. Thanks, SMS 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shindasingh Posted October 28, 2004 Report Share Posted October 28, 2004 At that time Raag Maala was currently not being read at Akaal Takht Sahib. Sant ji's nephew got angry at those running Akaal Takht at the time and made some noise about it. Sant Ji then scolded him as it was an issue that was dividing the panth, and during the time (Dharm Yudh Morcha) it was essential that all Sikhs gather against a greater enemy and a greater problem. Sant Ji told him a time will come when this issue will be handeled but that currently was neither the time nor place, to raise such issues. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Singh47 Posted October 28, 2004 Report Share Posted October 28, 2004 That’s not exactly how it happened. Sant Jee’s nephew thought he would make Sant Jee very happy by reading Ragmala, because of Sant Jee’s pro Ragmala stance. After his nephew read out Ragmala he was slapped by Sant Jernail Singh Jee. This happened because although Sant Jee was very pro Ragmala, but he also respected the Maryadha of the Akal Takht. He bowed to the Akal Takht. He would not tolerate anyone doing something against the Akal Takht. So when his nephew went against the Akal Takht Maryadha and read Ragmala, he was scolded and slapped by Sant Jernail Singh Jee. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Sardar Moderator Singh Posted October 28, 2004 Report Share Posted October 28, 2004 It is interesting to observe accounts of this instance on other forums as well. Those who are pro-raagmala will tend to offer statements such that provided by ShindaSingh (i.e. Panthic unity at a time of distress) whilst the anti-raagmala groups or pro-SGPC groups citing the Singh47 version. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SAadmin Posted October 28, 2004 Author Report Share Posted October 28, 2004 Singh47, whats your source of your post? heard it from babar khalsa ??? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Singh47 Posted October 28, 2004 Report Share Posted October 28, 2004 I'm not pro or anti Ragmala. I just told the story the way it is. BTW, the story that I just wrote was told to me by a Taksali Singh. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Singh47 Posted October 28, 2004 Report Share Posted October 28, 2004 heard it from babar khalsa ??? No from the IRA 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 3, 2004 Report Share Posted December 3, 2004 Takht Patna Sahib bans book Declares Giani Gurdit Singh ‘tankhaiya’ Varinder Walia Tribune News Service Amritsar, December 2 In an unprecedented move, the Sikh clergy of Takht Patna Sahib today declared Giani Gurdit Singh, a close associate of Giani Joginder Singh Vedanti, Jathedar, Akal Takht, as ‘tankhaiya’ for the book ‘Mundawani’. They also imposed a ban on the book. The development is likely to plunge the Sikh Panth into a crisis once again. This is, perhaps, for the first time that any Takht has directed the Jathedar of Akal Takht to clarify his stand. Earlier, Takht Patna Sahib had asked Giani Gurdit Singh and Jathedar Vedanti to appear at Takht Patna Sahib to clarify on the contents of “Mundawaniâ€. The issue of Giani Gurdit Singh is being taken up at the next meeting of Sikh clerics at Akal Takht. The ‘hukamnama’ (directive) was signed by all five Sikh priests of Takht Patna Sahib, including Jathedar Iqbal Singh. On the other hand, Jathedar Vedanti has summoned a meeting of the Sikh clergy at the Akal Takht to recommend action against Jathedar Iqbal Singh. Jathedar Vedanti had taken the initiative to bury the hatchet with the jathedars of Takht Patna Sahib and Takht Hazoor Sahib and made them sign a common statement that the Akal Takht, being the supreme Takht, would take up panthic issues while the rest of the Takhts would decide on regional issues. Finally ..sighs... .....lets just pray sachkhand hazoor sahib does the same thing....bad bad boys watchya gonna do, watchya gonna do they come for you... its coming true... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drawrof Posted December 3, 2004 Report Share Posted December 3, 2004 you know, with this never ending raagmala debate... I think I finally understand why we aren't focusing on less important things such as 1) the high usage of dangerous drugs by the so-called sikh youth 2) the absence of bathroom facilities at darbar sahib 3) the absence of real culture or arts within sikhi 4) the spreading of truth as opposed to gurdwara politics 5) love in general (actually thats taboo, with the way things are going, I might even get dinged for this one) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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