SAadmin Posted July 13, 2005 Report Share Posted July 13, 2005 I saw loads of sikhs reciting maha mantar/bij mantar as Ikomkar whereas correct prounounciation is -Ikongkar?? Please post your views...why there is variation in these maha mantar?..especially when the whole creation came about from bij mantar. Bij mantar sab ko gian || and there are other references given about in gurbani - where whole creation came about from resoance/dhuni of ikongkar. Please discuss 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amrikingh Posted July 13, 2005 Report Share Posted July 13, 2005 i think its with a "g" Guru Nanak's pailee Pauri, did he use G or M? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karmjeet Posted July 13, 2005 Report Share Posted July 13, 2005 its ik o(ang)kar . g is not pronounced completely just a very little bit . (ang) is a nasal sound . its a sound of tippi in punjabi. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dynamic_Banda Posted July 13, 2005 Report Share Posted July 13, 2005 it could be the nazal n to K is what creates a slight g sound making it oangkar, however I dont think the G should be pronounced so it shouldnt be read out Ik OanGkar, however there is a slight G when you try to go from nazel n to K, try it !! you will notice it sounds link ungk.. not unk unless you take a break between the n and the K, but that wouldnt be correct when reading the beej mantar. It is definatly a oan and not O am. or Aum I draw this conclusion from looking at both dakhni Oankar in which the Onkar only has a different ending either i or u I think that is more to do with poetic reasons. And also from the Bhavan Akhri, where ever other letter is similar to how modern punjabi pronounces them except Ora which is written Oan. Also another intresting point to note is that in other recent topics there has been questioning of the purpose or role of hindu dieties in sikhi context, well according to Dakhni Oankar, From Oankar came bhrama the creator.. !! OOOh intresting. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SAadmin Posted July 13, 2005 Author Report Share Posted July 13, 2005 I find hari post to be interesting. From a simliar type topic he posted earlier: This is about transliteration and not wether Omkar means the same as Oankar.They are both different transliterations of the same Divine Name. The word Omkar/Oankar existed well befroe Satguru Nanak Nirankar manifested on this plane. In Devnagari script (used for Hindi and Sanskrit) you have a nasal sound called anusvara or chandrabindu which is transliterated as "m".This is what appears at the end of Om ---> A-U-M.When you couple Om with kaar, you pronounce the "m" as a nasal "n".Hence you get Oankar. Omkar is not pronounced "Omkar" but Oankar. Om appears in Gurbani as ura-aira-tippee, also the Akshar Onam which appears in Dakhni Oankar is supposed to be synonymous with Om/Oan. Om is known as Mool Mantra, as is Ek Oankar. Hari Om Shanti Shanti Shanti... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SAadmin Posted July 13, 2005 Author Report Share Posted July 13, 2005 From Oankar came bhrama the creator.. !! OOOh intresting That means bhrama sian is a sikh..it also means there is no such thing as hindu mat but sanatan dharma (enternal) ..jokes.. who cares about labels man at end of the day... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybersingh Posted July 14, 2005 Report Share Posted July 14, 2005 That means bhrama sian is a sikh..it also means there is no such thing as hindu mat but sanatan dharma (enternal) ..jokes.. who cares about labels man at end of the day... That means bhrama sian is a sikh......yes, me, remember.......... dhan dhan sri narayana........... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Singh132 Posted July 14, 2005 Report Share Posted July 14, 2005 What does "OM" mean? Is it the same as Omkar? Are you going to claim that it is the same as Ik Oankaar? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest SAdmin Posted July 14, 2005 Report Share Posted July 14, 2005 I found few references to understand this topic more. Please go through these discussion and explore it. Santhia - correct pronunciation of Gurbani http://www.gursikhijeevan.com/community/ph...2053&t=2042 Ek Onkar http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ek_Onkar http://www.iuscanada.com/journal/archives/2003/j0501p58.pdf 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tSingh Posted July 14, 2005 Report Share Posted July 14, 2005 Most Nirmalay generally pronounce it as Om, the reason is the letter itself is 'O' with kaar and it is half matra combined. 'O' as such is the Vedic sound for Om. Read Faridkot Tika (which has taken Pandit Tara Singh Narotam's position) on why Guru ji has stated 'Ik Om(ng)kar'...very interesting! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hari Posted July 18, 2005 Report Share Posted July 18, 2005 Regarding this topis of Om/Omkara, people might want read Mandukya Upanishad: http://www.geocities.com/advaitavedant/mandukya.htm Also I skimmed through Gyani Badan Singh Nirmala's viakhya of Omkar (in Faridkot Tika) and found it very pertinent and interesting.It's very similar to the Mandukya explanation. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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