Crystal

Mega bump, lets open up Pandora box

Do you know that there is sexual content in SSGGSJ too? Should we reject those verses too?
Bhul chuk maaf

This is what sant/mahapursh do, kote paap are cleansed by just being in their presence.
It is like osmosis - things move from high concentrations of it to low concentrations of it. So when a devotee, who is full of paap touches the charan of a Sant Mahapursh then the Sants kumai goes towards the devotee and the devotees bad karm goes towards the cleansed soul.
People are very critical of touching a sants feet, but it is of no advantage to the sant, they get nothing out of it, yet the devotee is greatly rewarded, kote karm are washed away. Those who have attached themselves to such souls quietly reap the benefit and progress the path of Guru Nanak.
 
One point about the above video, you would thing that someone would take the guy to one side and teach him how to correctly pronounce Bhagwan, and not as 'Bagga-van' :-)
 

Wow baba nand singh maharaj also sucked up devotees karma or people karma its nishani of karak bhramgyanis..dhan dhan dhan baba nand singh ji maharaj and dhan dhan dhan sri ramana maharishi maharaj

Crystal

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Sangat Jee please aapni sharda bachao, just don't get involved with these useless and time wasting topics, we have nothing to gain here but everything to lose here. Every amritdhari sikh is instructed during amrit sanchaar keep you faith on amrit, never doubt on it and everything that is told during the ceremony is told by Guru Gobind Singh Jee by himself. The topic is directly a slur on it. I doubt OP is amritdhari yet?. Don't create doubt, bring good topics which can be appreciated by the forum or else don't .
Are we sikhs of Guru Gobind Singh Jee Maharaj or some uninformed authors. Ask? 

Okay, let's go from here. Are you saying that the baani of Sri Dasam Granth Sahib Ji, either individually or in its entirety (I'll let you choose), is inferior in any way shape or form to that of Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji?
Whilst no one is denying that Aad Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji is our Guru (at least I hope no is), this does not mean that the Baani of the Tenth Master deserves any less respect.
As far as bowing down to individual baanis/shabads goes, you may choose not to, I would GLADLY.
You say individual baanis would not be put on a palki (e.g. Jap ji). What, then, would you say the the Mohan Pothis that Sri Guru Arjun Dev Ji Maharaj bought to the Sri Harmandir Sahib in a palki? What would you say to the Fifth Master giving his own takht to Sri Aad Granth Sahib Ji (remember, Guru Granth Sahib Ji does not have the Gurgaddi yet), sitting on the floor with the rest of the sangat and bowing down to it? Is the Fifth Master, too, not bowing down to an "incomplete" Granth?
What are your views, then, on Sri Sarbloh Guru Granth Sahib Ji?
What are are your views on the Sixth and Tenth Gurus, when they elevated the shasters, done Chaur over them and BOWED to them?
There is a katha done by Giani Sher Singh Ji Nihang explaining the whole "not doing parkash of any Granth same level as Guru Sahib", in which he explains that people started to (wrongly) parkash Ramayan/Gita/Mahabharat along side Guru Sahib Ji, hence the introdction of this rule.
For the majority of us, it is quite simple:
Jin Bhae Adab Naa Baani Dhaaraa
Jaano So Sikh Nahi Hamaaraa

I could not understand anything you wrote, what are you saying jaap sahib and Swaiyee were not read by Guru Gobind Singh Jee during first Amrit sanchaar 1699 and these were added later what? Clarify yourself.

If you do not accept  Dasam Granth in its entirety, then you are not a Sikh. Because, why even take amrit? 
If we read Sri Jap  Ji as part of our nitnem and amrit sanchar, we read jaap sahib at the exact same level. 
If guru nanak  Dev Ji work japji, he wrote jaap sahib in his 10th form. No difference. 
I wonder what these people think when they open a nitnem pothi with aad  and Dasam baani together? 
Keeping them separate and treating them the same poses no contradiction. Did you know that the guru kept shastar at the same level as him, encouraging their worship  (chaur, toof) etc.
I dread to even think what the over zealous self righteous now it alls think about Sri Sarbloh Granth Sahib Ji. Read that and their head would explode.

interesting point, can be also used to say about the pakhand kirtani jatha and other extreme vegetarians who push their veggie crap on the panth. Majority of Sikhs and Punjabi's eat meat, as akaal takht rehit says its finefine(so there should be no pick and chochoosingsing/debates), why do those nutcases ie akjs shout about we are a vegetarian panth? Idiots. 
This tread is going no where, in circles we go. 
 
Crystal
 
 
 

Satk, its about sharda....maybe you can find some on the websites you use to copy and paste rubbish. 
You don't even know how to read gurmukhi, so how can you get the gist of maharaj by reading the English translations?
Satk & mrsingh

well that's great, kudos. I have distant relatives who are akjs HOWEVER they are from the first generation of akjs....they believe in raagmala so we don't have a problems. The fools of akjs are the ones who disbelieve in ragmala and dasam bani. Just to clarify. 
 
Crystal, bringing the meth.

we are khysatri so yyessuraj bansi. 
 
Akjs do not concern me as they are fools.

Really? Kindly stop making dasam granth as men vs women issue. Let me refresh your memory, 3ho order which is full of western sikh progressive woman totally believe in charitropakhyan work for sri guru gobind singh ji maharaj because they knew how to contextualize stories and don't let feminist views come in front of wider social issues.
I love for you to debate with shanti kaur from 3ho regarding charitropakhyan.

Guru's were much more progressive also when it comes to providing sexual stories and moral behind it. When people go to the doctor with their sexual organ problems, doctors talk about it, scan it, trying to find the root cause of physical sexual problem. Same thing applies if people/society have mental issues regarding sexuality diseased with lust so on and so forth Our beloved guru talks about it candidly and provides moral story behind 405 tales of men and women.
Off course you are going to have problem if you see it from juedo christian influenced singh sabha view.... see it from relative context -three gunas context with absolute underpinning-turiya...everything is fine.
 
 

​I would go the other way with the missionaries in that they have very little knowledge of Gurbani and place no little or emphasis on spirituality. They are even against naam simran which is incredible. Nor do they see Guru Granth Sahib as a living Guru. It seems like their focus is to disrupt sikh practice, and coupled with a hindu-phobia they make themsleves look ignorant/boorish at times.
 
The traditionalists see Gurubani as living but I feel have an over emphasis on spirituality. The doctrine of Miri-Piri has become imbalanced and i meet some youths every now and again, who cannot do anything at local gurdwara because they don't do enough naam japna.
 
 

Yes Maharaj said to keep them seperate as they deal with different topics. One is mainly on worldly affairs whereas the other is spiritual. It is like Miri and Piri - two seperate entities yet Sikhs respect and engage in both.
 
The problem here is that the "true genuine banis" (Jaap Sahib, Akal Ustat and others) came to us  THROUGH the Dasam Granth manuscripts. There are no seperate manuscripts that only contain these 3-4 writings. They have come Down to us through the Dasam Granth manuscripts which Again begs the question if these were the only true writings of the Guru, why were they ammeded to writings that were not of the Guru?
 
The doubt about the Charitropakhyan is fairly recent. During the pre-colonial times there are no evidence that anyone had doubts on the Dasam Granth. In fact, British writers of the early 1800s say that the Sikh political leaders kept both Granths on equal terms since they considered both to be Gurbani. The Jaap Sahib of Guru Gobind Singh is as holy and pure as the Japji Sahib of Guru Nanak.
That is not true. The early Sikhs had no problem with this bani, - most likely because they did not interpret it as bani that defames women but saw the higher morale/message of each story.
 
That guy you mention is an idiot. His idiocy can't be used as an argument against the Dasam Granth. He is an idiot on his own accord.
 
Your main problem is that you're mixing history with beliefs. Whether the Guru wrote the Dasam Granth or not - that is a question of HISTORY.. Its not about beliefs "Does one believe the Guru wrote it".  And a clear majority of historical evidence suggests that the Guru did in fact write the entire Dasam Granth and this was also the belief of the early Khalsa. See the video for the many evidence.

There is no way they can seperate from chaupi sahib and charitaropkyan as its part of each other other. One wants to reject charitaropkyan they automatically reject chaupi sahib as well as its chaupi sahib over lays on charitaropkyan

If only 50 pages of the Dasam Granth are to be considered the writings of Guru Gobind Singh then why werent these 50 pages included into the Guru Granth Sahib when the Guru dictated the Granth Sahib from memory in 1704? Obvisoly the Guru would not be able to add the 1300 page Dasam Granth into the existing 1400+ page Guru Granth Sahib, but a few extra 50 pages of bani would'n be a problem .Why were these kept seperate?

And is there a difference between Japji Sahib and Jap Sahib? Are'nt both to  be respected the same way?

 

we are khysatri so yyessuraj bansi. 
 
Akjs do not concern me as they are fools.

DO NOT PICK AND CHOOSE TUKS TO PUSH your own agenda. That is out of Sampooran rehras. Chaupai Sahib...  
 
Openly attacking Sri Dasam Bani. 

Hatred is a bad disease.
Bhul chuk maaf

Do not attack Sri Dasam Granth because you want to view it as an equality war and not see past things.


 

So, gurus were the same jot, but their banis are not the same? That does not make much sense.
Bhul chuk maad

Why cannot Sri Dasam Granth Sahib jee be equal to SSGGSJ?
According to this thinking, tenth master should be considered lower, than the other nine masters.
Anything written or said by Satguru, is guru-roop.
Bhul chuk maaf