GurpreetKaur

Thank you for creating this topic, To me they are spiritual, if I am on the same page. 
Dharam khand : First stage( realization) when we get into bhagti or start reading Gurbani. we start thinking about Salvation or Nirvana. Example: Reading Gurbani, doing any ritual to show devotion. For me, this stage was or is reading Sukhmani sahib ji. Just reading it to find peace, did not know the meaning, was not following it, merely reading it. some things I heard were oh by reading Gurbani, you won't gain anything but Maskeen ji said many people start here. They read Gurbani or do jaap to get their wishes fulfilled and eventually kundalini start rising up and they start developing love.
Gyan Khand: second stage ( practicing) , when we instead of just reading Gurbani, we start practicing it. We bring it into our Day to day lives. Example: becoming Sukhmani sahib ji, try to do what it says whether it's talking about Doing Naam Simran or meditation, getting rid of rajo, tamo, sato or not doing what to others which we don't want happen to us. Acknowledging our Ego and realizing how its trippin most of the time lol. Gaining humility, humbleness, letting go of selfish nature and other vices.
Saram Khand: Third stage( Effort),  we start working hard to achieve the main objective of life which is to get rid of this life/death cycle. We have love for Vaheguroo and guroo, regardless of whether we are in comfort or not, or whether our wishes are or will be fulfilled. I am listening to Maskeen ji ( brahmand di alolak katha) while typing this and he just said birds are returning home and they are chirping singing and are content, they don't care about whether they have food for tomorrow or not. This kinda resonate with this Khand, there is no worry about tomorrow, surrendering to creator and making an effort to merge with it.
Next two Khands are for advanced people. There are some people over here who know them or have glimpse of them. I am a bad candidate to even talk about them lol
Karam Khand: Our bajjar kapats( divine door) are opened,panj doots are controlled, maya is showing its full power to tackle seeker on this stage, dasam duar is opened, rom rom naam simran and connection to creator is created.
Sach Khand: Stage of Truth. Salvation. 

Thank you for creating this topic, To me they are spiritual, if I am on the same page. 
Dharam khand : First stage( realization) when we get into bhagti or start reading Gurbani. we start thinking about Salvation or Nirvana. Example: Reading Gurbani, doing any ritual to show devotion. For me, this stage was or is reading Sukhmani sahib ji. Just reading it to find peace, did not know the meaning, was not following it, merely reading it. some things I heard were oh by reading Gurbani, you won't gain anything but Maskeen ji said many people start here. They read Gurbani or do jaap to get their wishes fulfilled and eventually kundalini start rising up and they start developing love.
Gyan Khand: second stage ( practicing) , when we instead of just reading Gurbani, we start practicing it. We bring it into our Day to day lives. Example: becoming Sukhmani sahib ji, try to do what it says whether it's talking about Doing Naam Simran or meditation, getting rid of rajo, tamo, sato or not doing what to others which we don't want happen to us. Acknowledging our Ego and realizing how its trippin most of the time lol. Gaining humility, humbleness, letting go of selfish nature and other vices.
Saram Khand: Third stage( Effort),  we start working hard to achieve the main objective of life which is to get rid of this life/death cycle. We have love for Vaheguroo and guroo, regardless of whether we are in comfort or not, or whether our wishes are or will be fulfilled. I am listening to Maskeen ji ( brahmand di alolak katha) while typing this and he just said birds are returning home and they are chirping singing and are content, they don't care about whether they have food for tomorrow or not. This kinda resonate with this Khand, there is no worry about tomorrow, surrendering to creator and making an effort to merge with it.
Next two Khands are for advanced people. There are some people over here who know them or have glimpse of them. I am a bad candidate to even talk about them lol
Karam Khand: Our bajjar kapats( divine door) are opened,panj doots are controlled, maya is showing its full power to tackle seeker on this stage, dasam duar is opened, rom rom naam simran and connection to creator is created.
Sach Khand: Stage of Truth. Salvation. 

If everything was meant to be all rosy and glossy, we would not have people starving and dying, people being burned alive, people being abused. In this play, we all have taken our roles and they suck sometime until you look back and realize I forgot I am just playing my character lol, I know easier said that done but always worth trying. So just play satkirin ji, in the end nothing matter . Lol. That antarjami does not care about right/wrong, good/ bad.
And about giving up sikhi, who am I to give any suggestion lol. My boat is not even in the ocean yet but don't let go of spirituality. In every religion, culture and country you will meet people who agree with you and who don't. Just smile at the one who don't and walk with the one who do. It's that simple.

Hi Satkirin
I like your posts and i agree the people here are ovelry nasty to you (and im a guy btw).  i can see how they belittle you etc.  i think it is because they are not able to express themselves as well as you, so react with anger. 
I don't agree with you views, but that to me is what makes them interesting.  Also I never consider what it's like for women.  I'm glad to see you and Gurpreet regularly posting.
People who come here should be able to honestly express their minds and doubts, I think?  After all, it is a 'discussion' forum. 

Gurpreet Kaur: Wonderful explanations. Thank you for that.

Maharaaj has answered your question in Gurbani
 
ANG 1204
ਗਿਰਿ ਬਸੁਧਾ ਜਲ ਪਵਨ ਜਾਇਗੋ ਇਕਿ ਸਾਧ ਬਚਨ ਅਟਲਾਧਾ ॥੧॥
The mountains, the earth, the water and the air shall pass away. Only the Word of the Holy Saint shall endure. ||1||
 
Bhul chuk maaf

I agree.  wow you sound way more calm. good.
Also, I want to know from Papiman, what kind of information a Gursikh Husband & Woman should withhold from each other , as he said women cannot be trusted with some kind of information ? or does it depend on how much you can trust your wife ? or what kind of relation you have with your wife?
An Ideal relation is one built on full trust and transparency. However, it is possible that some people can be stuck in difficult relations.
This ideal of not trusting your wife does not sit well with me. When that happens, I usually use common sense, and ignore the negative part, and adopt the positivity or gist of message.
 
And  Lets keep it calm guys.

Paapiman,

I think what he was getting at is not the rehetnama itself but the irony of what is being stated in it:

1) Chaupa Singh seems to be condemning women as the very 'embodiment of deceit'.
2) He tells the men to never trust any women, including those close to them (their own wives, mothers, sisters, daughters etc.).
3) A husband who keeps secrets from his own wife, mother, sister, daughter is being deceitful.
Do you not see that irony? That instruction actually makes the men the 'embodiment of deceit'.

Also, any woman reading that rehetnama, will automatically never trust any man who she knows to be following it, even her own husband, because she knows he will never trust her, and will be keeping secrets from her! She knows if he is following that rehetnama, he will be the one who is actually being deceitful!
The question that was posed to you by Guest, has nothing to do with scholars, or sants. If a forum could only operate by posting (parroting) words of who some consider 'sants' then there is no use for actual conversation or dialogue at all.
That guest poster was asking you, as a Singh, how can you ever fathom a successful marriage being built on distrust and deceit? If both the husband and wife are to never trust each other, and both are keeping secrets from each other. Then how do they ever expect to have a loving marriage together? 

I'm not trying to belittle you at all. But if you ever get married, can you think what it would be like if you and your wife keep secrets from each other and you never trust her, and she never trusts you? Can you seriously see that working out? Already the marriage would be built on the very things which will crumble it!
SK (work)
 

Do you personally believe what was written in the Chaupa Singh Rehetnama translation referred to, that men should never trust any woman, and that women are the very embodiment of deceit? How can you explain that this would ever help a successful marriage if the relationship is built on distrust of each other and keeping secrets from each other? Because trust goes both ways. And keeping secrets also goes both ways.
The irony is that what that Rehetnama is suggesting, is for husbands to do the very thing that Chaupa Singh is accusing the wives of:  
Being deceitful and keeping secrets! 
I have read some of your posts on here and think I already know your answers, but I want to know from your own explanation, not something you heard from a scholar who heard from the uncle of a cousin of a sant who heard from a brahamgyani. I want your own explanation and your own opinion.

 

Don't worry sister.
 
Bhul chuk maaf

It was a serious talk but last paragraph cracked me up so bad. Haha

It was a serious talk but last paragraph cracked me up so bad. Haha

It was a serious talk but last paragraph cracked me up so bad. Haha

It was a serious talk but last paragraph cracked me up so bad. Haha

I think you are living in your own little world. People have told you over and over again not to put things in their mouths. You connect things that are not connected and then use that as an argument against people. I think its called a straw man in english. You build up a narrative in your own head and then argue with people about why they feel a certain way. But they actually dont feel that way!
 
When people here have respect for samprdayas it is NOT because of the way they view women.. thats YOUR take on it because you seem to center your life on feminism.. So if I tell you im into the samprdayas, then you will find something you dont agree with and make a fuss and drama about me being into the samprdayas due to this one female statement only!! Its bloody weird man and you need to stop it!  People here respect the samprdayas because they reflect a pre-colonial disposition of Sikhi with a heavy regard on oral tradition...... NOBODY HAS MENTIONED ANYTHING ABOUT WOMEN!! yet you keep hammering on and on and on about them....The puratan samprdayas dont even follow the old rahitname, - they have their own oral traditions which they follow.
Like I said, - you dont understand what people are writing, nor do they understand what you are writing.. bloody kinder garden man!! When people showed you the tuks of Sri Guru Amar Das on women, they did'n mean to say that The Satguru talks ill of women.. They were saying "if you use this kind of arguments against Sri Dasam Granth then why dont you apply the same logic to the Guru Granth Sahib".. Its a way of showing how illogical you are.. Yet you read it as the guys saying Guru Amar Das looked down on women...
And now you're making connections between Rahitanme and Dasam Granth....SERIOSLY??? wtf???? The rehitname for the most part are 2-3 pages long... The Dasam Granth is 1300+ pages long... Stop making weird analogies... I dont know if you have some sort of OCD or something but if you do, please let us know... This is getting really tiring.. Everyone here is tired of having to explain themselves over and over again as well as having to defend themselves of weird allegations you keep making, -putting words in their mouths etc....
 
Pappiman says weird shit at times, - all of us laugh at it from time to time and consider those views as representing only himself.. Yet you take it and blow it out of proportions and make it sound like pappiman is the sole global ambassador of SIkhi - everything he says is true and law!
Give it a rest man..

LOL LOL

I am really sorry for the pain you have to go through. I watched this documentary long time ago, it's based on real life incidences. It's about power of Gurbani. Watch it for sure. 
 
 

 
They have something called naam aukhad camp I think, try it out if docs are not helping. I don't know how much faith you have on gurbani but I will give you two personal ones since it will increase your faith maybe.
A Fam friends relative was suffering so much and doctor pretty much told he got few days. The whole family started doing paath of sukhmani sahib ji by turns or together, it was non stop since they were desperate. Anybody who came to their house they would request if the person join them in paath. Pretty soon man recovered and now he's healthy and living.
I recently got into a severe depression which lasted for 4 or 5 months, that was so bad like a freakin black cloud sat on my mind and kept saying let's see how you smile or eat today. one day I woke up in stress and chose to get rid of this crappy black cloud and I spent whole day doing nothing but paath of sukhmani sahib ji. I did many of it and I also fasted just to relieve some pain. 36 hours of fasting and 11 paath of sukhmani sahib in a day changed me, like to an extent I have no words to describe. It's been 3 weeks since I did that and my negative thinking is only 5% which is nothing when I used to be100% depressed lol. The amount of love I have for sukhmani sahib ji, I can't describe it. 
I have done sukhmani sahib paath before too and have given the water which I place front of it to dad many times and 95% he stayed calm after drinking. It helped him to stay calm too otherwise we go through jagrata most of the time and not a fun one lol. 
These are just some of my personal experiences with sukhmani sahib ji. Might increase your belief in gurbani. You can do anything, whether meditation, naam simran or reading gurbani. You can try hypnosis, reiki, acupuncture or other alternative things if medicine and Ayurveda failed. 
In the end, everything comes down to what we believe. I Know easier said than done, I am struggling with mind over matter thing too :(. But nothing wrong with trying something. 
Contact the naam aukhad camp, they do a lot of camp in India and canada I think, I have seen a lot of their videos and those are real people with real problems. Again I am sorry for what you have to go through, pain sucks whether physical or emotional. It's time to sign a petition to god that pain should be substituted with something easy .

The Nirmala stance is that it deals with 5 levels of spiritual progression. They often juxtapose the 3 spiritual states of Vedant into the 5 Khands (Karam khand, Upashna Khand and Gian Khand). This can be seen in the teeka of Kavi Santokh Singh and it is much more detailed in the fantastic katha of Sant Singh Maskeen. I can't quite remember what Dr. Sahib Singh and the Fareedkot Teeka says about these.
I think the AKJ interprets it as 5 worlds or realms after death - some kind of paradises.
Im not sure why they are not mentioned anywhere in the Guru Granth Sahib apart from Japji Sahib.

Gurfateh all
Lets do some khoj on the five khands of the Sri Japju Sahib.
What are they representing? 5 spiritual stages or 5 worlds beyond in the afterlife?
What is the reason they are only mentioned in the Sri Japuji Sahib and not in the remaining 1422 angs?
What does the various samprdayas and scholars of the present and past say about these 5 khands?
 

this will definitely pump u up too...but only indian kids who grew up watching DD tv india will feel it
 
 

Okay maharishi of huggies. Sat bachan 

It only works on men. For women this work!. 
 

Me too but I have never seen him Irl. Love his monday morning podcast as well.
How did you like his show, F is for family?
Pull ups is made by Huggies bro. Cmon now, chant with me "I am a big kid now... I am a big kid now..."
 
 

I love bill burr. I think he is coming to the casino Rama in Niagara Falls. I would love to see him. 
Sorry but that's the pull ups mantra.

The mantra is -
Oooooooommmm
I am a big kid now.
I am a big kid now.
I am a big kid now.