DeNiro

lol. I was an infant in 76. Watched the movie in late 80's and became a huge fan.  Don't want to go off topic here but a movie is a movie. it can't be classed as gurmat or manmat. The mat is what comes from within the individual as far as I understand.    The only focus you want for "next station" is to be as thoughtless and still as possible, ready to surrender your complete self. (That's my personal suggestion). The sound you hear is positive, and by aiming to surrender in a thoughtless state. is the only way I know to help build the love. Trying to conquer different shabads never helped me but as Bhai saab says in recording you have to aim to "samao" into shabad.   Please persist with patience because amrit drip and illumination of jot should come in this process.  
Stay motivated. I've started re-reading posts on here and listening to recordings in order to motivate myself again. Do whatever it takes to achieve this. 

Thanks for the reply De Niro.
Last night I read this in Bh Sew Singh Tarmala's book, 'Forgetting the way of love'. It implies that Anhad Bani and Naad are not the same thing. Is the ringing sound Anhad Bani? What are the divine words he mentions in point 4?
 
 

I thought it was as follows:
1) Swaas Graas simran by chanting Gurmantra to stop the thoughts.
2) Enter the Sunn (going to sleep to rest)
3) Stay awake by dhyaan when free of thoughts. (Now try and stay awake without falling completely asleep but still in that thoughtless stage)
4) The divine words appear in Sunn. (This is called Sehaj Dhun. The fine high pitched sound)
5) Anhad Bani (the divine music) appears. (Countless other sounds are heard here including the 5 anhad sounds), aka shabad ghanaray)
6) The mind enters the Sunn (third Sunn).
7) Naad (word of God) appears which will help us cross the Bhavsagar (the dangerous ocean). (This is when one hears the single loud sound of toor/naad/combination of the 5 sounds/ek shabad) This is the jahaj that carries the mind across.
 The mind unites with God in Sehaj Ghar.   

I think naad refers to the divine word. This where the ringing or deep humming originates from.  It's the single ek shabad that made creation and is present in everything and everywhere.  
Anhad bani is difficult to explain but may be easier to understand as the gyan coming through and from the naad.  It is the bani, that has no akaar , that one hears via the naad. Just like the bani in sri guru granth sahib that gives us gyan via akhar(words), the anhad bani has no letters or words.  If that makes sense?

Thanks for that and I totally agree.   One is only able to attempt this successfully after shabad dhun has increased in depth and frequency. (more taeijh). 

I'll attempt answering whilst i'm online at the moment.  The way I understand it and as per some of Tohana sahib's recodrings;   the bandgi or bhagti starts when you start  listening and merging (samao) into naam shabad.   This is also called doing  naam seva and is a process of gyaan and dhyiaan.  Gurmantar or jap of any mantar of form, written word or 'akaar' as in waheguru, ram ram, hari..  should lead you to the state of hearing the naam that has no written or describable akaar.  You could call it the formless stage of hearing the dhun of naam that will lead to amrit and jyot illumination..   I hope you understand it a little better?  I believe that it's also when a person starts to re-write their own lekha to some extent.
 

I'll attempt answering whilst i'm online at the moment.  The way I understand it and as per some of Tohana sahib's recodrings;   the bandgi or bhagti starts when you start  listening and merging (samao) into naam shabad.   This is also called doing  naam seva and is a process of gyaan and dhyiaan.  Gurmantar or jap of any mantar of form, written word or 'akaar' as in waheguru, ram ram, hari..  should lead you to the state of hearing the naam that has no written or describable akaar.  You could call it the formless stage of hearing the dhun of naam that will lead to amrit and jyot illumination..   I hope you understand it a little better?  I believe that it's also when a person starts to re-write their own lekha to some extent.
 

Nice one veerji. I'd personally add that it's probably only advisable to sit there once your dhyian is geared more in towards the ek shabad/naad. I"m only suggesting since some readers may get confused by try to focus there too early.  The tohana sahib recordings warn about this but you know some readers just grab a few pointers and techniques that may be mentioned and then start attempting prematurely.  Hope you agree?
 
 

lol. I was an infant in 76. Watched the movie in late 80's and became a huge fan.  Don't want to go off topic here but a movie is a movie. it can't be classed as gurmat or manmat. The mat is what comes from within the individual as far as I understand.    The only focus you want for "next station" is to be as thoughtless and still as possible, ready to surrender your complete self. (That's my personal suggestion). The sound you hear is positive, and by aiming to surrender in a thoughtless state. is the only way I know to help build the love. Trying to conquer different shabads never helped me but as Bhai saab says in recording you have to aim to "samao" into shabad.   Please persist with patience because amrit drip and illumination of jot should come in this process.  
Stay motivated. I've started re-reading posts on here and listening to recordings in order to motivate myself again. Do whatever it takes to achieve this. 

Sat sri akaal to you all. I have not been on here for months and was very busy trapped in noose of maya. Intending to read topics on here to give me some inspiration since my bhagti and nitnem have taken a nose dive.
@Sukh_preet
you dont need to be confused.  Ive listened to the video and it's very good. I can imagine some people getting confused because they are probaly trying to jump ahead.  Jumping ahead and looking to expect things is dangerous and not meditation.  Read some of the posts in october 2018 where similar advice was given.
What you should do is gurmantar jap. Do it quietly and slowly using breath. Then try and go into deeper sunn states by calming.  Hearing the ring sound is good. All the sounds of shanka, dholak etc originate from it. Its NOT a matter of looking out for 5 shabads or anything but just doing jap until the baseline shabad ring gets closer. He's right in bideo about people fobbing off the ring and thinking its nothing. The prem builds AFTER the prem for gurmantar. Gotta get that sidh and pakha first before worrying about whats ahead.

Thanks. Good to hear from you.  

I'll attempt answering whilst i'm online at the moment.  The way I understand it and as per some of Tohana sahib's recodrings;   the bandgi or bhagti starts when you start  listening and merging (samao) into naam shabad.   This is also called doing  naam seva and is a process of gyaan and dhyiaan.  Gurmantar or jap of any mantar of form, written word or 'akaar' as in waheguru, ram ram, hari..  should lead you to the state of hearing the naam that has no written or describable akaar.  You could call it the formless stage of hearing the dhun of naam that will lead to amrit and jyot illumination..   I hope you understand it a little better?  I believe that it's also when a person starts to re-write their own lekha to some extent.
 

Very important. The affinity develops with practice and you won't feel or realize anything unless you make efforts to get closer.  
 

Very good demonstration that i was pleased to see.
The above "core-self" is a very good place to sit your surti .  Highly recommended when trying to get deeper into naad.    

lol. I was an infant in 76. Watched the movie in late 80's and became a huge fan.  Don't want to go off topic here but a movie is a movie. it can't be classed as gurmat or manmat. The mat is what comes from within the individual as far as I understand.    The only focus you want for "next station" is to be as thoughtless and still as possible, ready to surrender your complete self. (That's my personal suggestion). The sound you hear is positive, and by aiming to surrender in a thoughtless state. is the only way I know to help build the love. Trying to conquer different shabads never helped me but as Bhai saab says in recording you have to aim to "samao" into shabad.   Please persist with patience because amrit drip and illumination of jot should come in this process.  
Stay motivated. I've started re-reading posts on here and listening to recordings in order to motivate myself again. Do whatever it takes to achieve this. 

Sat sri akaal to you all. I have not been on here for months and was very busy trapped in noose of maya. Intending to read topics on here to give me some inspiration since my bhagti and nitnem have taken a nose dive.
@Sukh_preet
you dont need to be confused.  Ive listened to the video and it's very good. I can imagine some people getting confused because they are probaly trying to jump ahead.  Jumping ahead and looking to expect things is dangerous and not meditation.  Read some of the posts in october 2018 where similar advice was given.
What you should do is gurmantar jap. Do it quietly and slowly using breath. Then try and go into deeper sunn states by calming.  Hearing the ring sound is good. All the sounds of shanka, dholak etc originate from it. Its NOT a matter of looking out for 5 shabads or anything but just doing jap until the baseline shabad ring gets closer. He's right in bideo about people fobbing off the ring and thinking its nothing. The prem builds AFTER the prem for gurmantar. Gotta get that sidh and pakha first before worrying about whats ahead.

Very good advice, This method slows it down but it helps keep the concentration on breath and shabad jap stronger, since you recite one word with each breath with more thiaan. 
I was advised many years ago to keep it consistent and uniform. As long as there are same amount of breaths and pauses in the same spaces. 
Example..  ik oankaar=inhale. satnaam=exhale,  karta purkh=inhale  nirbah nirvair= exhale  and so on.
Some days I'd switch to a little faster with ik onkaar satnaam=inhale, karta purkh nirbhai nirvair= exhale,  akaal moorth ajooni saibhang= inhale , gurprasad jap=exhale  .. This was longer and slower breath but doing jap at the throat in a comfortable rhythm. 
I deduce that mantar can only get pakkah if it's jap with some kind of set pattern, unless you're a blessed vadbhagee with immense kirpa coming your way.   I've heard people jap with erratic tempos, and I always doubt if it's bearing as much phaal as than if it were flowing in steady rhythm?
 

That's incorrect today. Tomorrow, you never know!
The high pitched frequencies are what you want to follow. The other sounds you hear are pavan shabads or non-anhad.  The panj anhad shabad in unison are heard in sunn.  Suffice to say, you are not experiencing those from what you mention. Seems like you are jumping ahead of yourself.  Need to be careful because trying to jump ahead is too easy and you can end up wasting months and years.
There s no such thing as yogic anhad or gurmat anhad. Anhad is anhad, period. You need to put attention to saas saas and the primordial sound.  Its no good me jumping ahead and telling you the higher rungs of ladder. You need to climb the lower paurees with confidence and determination.

Admirable write up and explanations of sunn levels.
It takes a deep-seated understanding with experience to make head and tails of these topics.  I agree with your summaries and they ring true with my practicing.  
I'll send you a pm to discuss a couple of the climatic finale encounters in line with what some very high kamayee wale singhs have explained to me.  I've turned over many leaves in the process, but my ultimate turning point was taking amrit after I started hearing shabad.  
 

Very good advice, This method slows it down but it helps keep the concentration on breath and shabad jap stronger, since you recite one word with each breath with more thiaan. 
I was advised many years ago to keep it consistent and uniform. As long as there are same amount of breaths and pauses in the same spaces. 
Example..  ik oankaar=inhale. satnaam=exhale,  karta purkh=inhale  nirbah nirvair= exhale  and so on.
Some days I'd switch to a little faster with ik onkaar satnaam=inhale, karta purkh nirbhai nirvair= exhale,  akaal moorth ajooni saibhang= inhale , gurprasad jap=exhale  .. This was longer and slower breath but doing jap at the throat in a comfortable rhythm. 
I deduce that mantar can only get pakkah if it's jap with some kind of set pattern, unless you're a blessed vadbhagee with immense kirpa coming your way.   I've heard people jap with erratic tempos, and I always doubt if it's bearing as much phaal as than if it were flowing in steady rhythm?
 

Wohhh,   you're feeling it for sure.  The order of changes sounds decent but  you should have gotten absorbed in the first shabad sound when it were getting loud..  The crashing airplane like and screeching shouldn't have distracted you away from the loud shabad. Try and aim to drown in the shabad and leave all else behind.   Say, you are  watching TV and absorbed into something so deeply. Your phone is nearby and it starts ringing.   The power of absorption between you and the TV is so high that you may hear  the phone ringing in background, but it's not enough to divert your attention from the TV. ,   The shabad has to be like the TV. and all other thunder like experiences have to be in the background.
The roller coater, jet like that you described; ….was that an internal kinetic energy like  feel or was it heard. What I mean is, was it a motion like energy inside or was it sound vibration only?
 

Totally get you there. 
I would never discuss with anyone in person, unless they are more advanced.  I've learnt from my fair share of repercussions.  On that note, I'd probably say a wee bit more on here because you only know me as DeNiro.  But I'm still going to practice restraint and keep energies away from nastiks and sakats.

You got the wrong end of the stick Angie.
I'm not speaking on the same wavelengths as Dhunda.  He has no idea what the spiritual context of the shabad he quoted is and his interpretation is closed book.
I said...…..
Dhunda is the one who is misconstruing the shabad  and implying that it says "you wear and keep red in gristi Jeevan"  This is baloney. The shabad is NOT talking about maya.  Do
 
I  said (below)
Kindly re-read my post carefully and tell me which part you don't understand. We should try helping if we want to learn. No good poking. I have no interest in swinging to and fro.  "swinging"  isn't gurmat
 

Avoid these at all costs, like I said earlier.   It's amazing how many bibian in my own family would be up and about in time for their tv drama show but would give nitnem a lower priority. I stayed with one auntie here in Queens and couldn't help disappointment when I noticed her rushing through nitnem to finish in time for tv drama. 
My view is slightly different. I don't  feel English movies affecting me too negatively. 'I'm okay watching them but I'm very selective and choosy with what to watch. Love to watch anything based on true story. Probably sit through a couple a week, but I'm able to switch off and move attention to nitnem or bhagti after 15-20 minutes and a hot drink.