GurjantGnostic

You could take the analogy there but I didn't. 

I don't think nothing accurately summarizes denying Vaheguru Akal Purakh brother. 

https://www.uscirf.gov/religious-prisoners-conscience/forb-victims-database/jagtar-singh-johal
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  Jagtar Singh Johal
    Gender: Male
Perpetrator: India
Religion or Belief: Sikh
Reports of Torture: Yes
Reports of Medical Neglect: No
Date of Detainment: November/4/2017
Current Status: Not Released
Religious Leader: No
Most Recent Type of Abuse: Detainment
Reason for Persecution: Criticizing Religious Freedom Conditions Human Rights Work for Religious Communities Religious Belief Reporting on Religious Freedom Conditions or Documenting Religious Freedom Violations
Nature of Charges: Arms Trafficking & Illicit Use of Weapons Criminal Premeditation & Conspiracy Murder & Attempted Murder Terrorism
Jagtar Singh Johal
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Jagtar Singh Johal is detained for his religious belief and for documenting religious freedom violations.
On November 4, 2017, 15 unidentified men in Rama Mandi, Jalandhar, Punjab, abducted Johal after his wedding in Jalandhar. The following day, Johal appeared a duty magistrate in Bagha Purana where no formal charges were filed against him. Authorities later released a press statement that Johal was among other suspects accused of “being involved in a series of killings carried out in collaboration with Pakistani intelligence operatives as part of a conspiracy to fan communal disturbances and destabilize the State.” Prior to his arrest, Johal, a British citizen, was an online activist and contributed to a website that documented human rights violations and persecution of Sikhs in India. 
Between November 4, 2017, to November 7, 2017, police interrogated and tortured Johal by using electric shocks, forcing his limbs into painful positions, and depriving him of sleep. Authorities have reportedly failed to investigate Johal’s allegations of torture.
Between November 4, 2017, to November 14, 2017, Johal was held incommunicado and denied adequate legal counsel.
On December 6, 2017, police from Ludhiana arrested Johal for allegedly killing a member of a far-right Hindu political party in January 2017.
On December 7, 2017, local news organizations aired video footage of Johal’s alleged confession, despite no references being made in the video to the crimes he was charged with.
On or around December 11, 2017, Khanna police arrested Johal for allegedly killing a Hindu leader in April 2016.
In May 2019, Punjab police and the National Investigative Agency filed charges against Johal in 10 cases related to “crimes of conspiracy and funding and recruiting for terrorist activities related to attacks on members of right-wing Hindu nationalist political groups and religious leaders in Punjab allegedly by the Khalistan Liberation Force.” Johal was charged with conspiracy (Sec. 120B IPC), murder (Sec. 302 IPC), terrorist acts (Sec. 16 UAPA), using arms (Sec. 27 Arms Act), and more. Charges against Johal are reportedly based primarily on confessions he made obtained under torture.
On January 7, 2021, the Special Cell of the Delhi Police arrested Johal in another case accusing him of being involved in the murder of another individual in October 2020, despite Johal being in Tihar Jail.
Between January 9, 2021, and January 16, 2021, Johal was held incommunicado.
In May 2022, the UN Working Group on Arbitrary Detention declared Johal’s detention arbitrary and called for his immediate release.  In their opinion, the Working Group stated that it believes Johal was targeted “because of his activities as a Sikh practitioner and supporter and because of his activism in writing public posts calling for accountability for alleged actions committed against Sikhs by the authorities.” It added that Johal was “deprived of his liberty on discriminatory grounds, owing to his status as a human rights defender and based on his political activism, religious faith and opinions.”
Johal is currently being held in Tihar Jail.

If we had a c130 airplane.....and she comes in for a belly landing....and I run up and you're staring at the wreckage....and the left wing is broken...and you're just staring at it and then I say....well at least with the right wing busted ....it's kinda in balance at least. 

Bro you aren't a Sikh any more? What's up?

Looking at it generationally according to research, and having been some 13 generations since, at 3 children each, that's 1,594,323 descendants today per Guru Saibhan for a total of about 11 million descendants of Guru Saibhan...that all have to put that pride aside to become Sikhs..

But lineage aside we have to look at this as historical. There are also descendants of Guru Angad Dev Ji and other Sikh Gurus. It should not be shocking, many had children.

Yes it must have been as dass lives in London and this horrible incident happened in Birmingham from what the video is saying.

*Sandwell
Also, who were the perpetrators ?
 

It was two Pakistani boys mentioned in the video. They were also two more but I don't think they have been identified yet 

Wow. This was more insightful about the world than I anticipated. 

What you're saying just consistently isn't based on what I said brother. 

Charlotte academy, in Standwell?

What you're saying just consistently isn't based on what I said brother. 

Research has been done with how many people leave.
It is nicely summed up in this video by a Indian ex muslim youtuber.  He has close to 400k subscribers.  Check out his channel.
 

Here are couple of videos of indian muslims leaving the religion.  It's in hindi.
This Indian ex muslim channel has 161k subscribers.  There is hugh ex Muslim movement in south east asia.
 
Why Naseemaji left islam
 
 
Why Abida didi left islam
 
 

Is this the kind of mistake your talking about.
 
Victim of love Gihad
 

The mistake of thinking one enemy power subduing or destroying another enemy power is always going to be in your favour.
Nader Shah virtually destroyed Moghal power in Delhi leaving Sikhs able to make claims on Panjab. It worked out .
Native Americans helping the "white man" against other tribes in the hope that they would then possess their native american adverseries lands and hunting grounds. It was a genocide, and they have for all intents and purposes disappeared from the peoples map of the world.
 
I can see you piping up everytime something comes in against islam and/or muslims. Hindutva training. Sikhs in india have left true Sikhi, for their love affair with the indian state.
 
In the past 3 months, ManMohan Singh has dealt with at least 5 cases of Sikh youngsters converting to Islam in the UK. Whether they stay Muslim or not, the fact is that they had no regard or love for Gurmat to even consider that step.
 
But only last week a high ranking police officer was labelled a Khalistani because he objected to a BJP woman breaking the law:
 
 
As long as you kiss their arse, which you KD, seem to be fond of, they will love you as they love their pet dogs. But act against them and you will see their true colours.

Veer ji here is the link on Facebook that it was posted 
https://m.facebook.com/profile.php/?id=100064359384678&name=xhp_nt__fb__action__open_user

Dass saw this on Facebook today and was really shocked and upset with seeing this.
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Well brother. That is tragic. At least he didn't see real Court yet. 

What mistake?

This is what I said.