Malwe Da Sher

Stop the nonsense guys. The purpose of the Nihang Singh licesne is so Singhs registered with Nihang Dals can carry various weapons such as axes, spears, swords etc - NOT INCLUDING FIREARMS. There is absolutely no mention of this in the Budha Dal license - not sure about any other dals. For that a seperate license has to be made. Whoever told you otherwise is having you on. The license also permits free travel on Indias rail roads. ringdingding perhaps you could be kind enough to give everyone information about the licenses. . Dont forget to mention the months that Baba Sahib Singh Kaladhari spent in jail for defying court orders regarding the carrying of weapons, and of course the contemporary accounts given by Giani Kirpal Singh which Im sure you have read. Sant Ginai Gurbachan Singh Bhinderanwale got permission from Baba Chet Singh to give out licenses - wh Nihangs dont have their own institionalised taksal yet, they have santhiya lineage like other sampradava, a taksal is currently being constructed at Raqba by Baba Joginder Singh.

Nihang Singhs still make their own dhoop. Sangat from all over the world collects dhoop from Baba Joginder Singh at Raqba.

A great book, Bhagat Pooran Singh was the great pioneer behind the Pingalwara trust as well as preparing a lot of literature on spirituality, gurbani, the environment etc. http://www.pingalwaraonline.org/

This blame it on the jatts attitude is quite frankly a load on nonsense.

Please Share artwork illustrating Amirt sanchar in 1699

Has anyone read the book? http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/0195694...7811_pe_snp_236

Reluctantly posting, but here goes: Theres a mention of anal in Chartropakhiyan, within which the context suggests its an act that demeans, lowers, imbarasses, shames etc the person its being performed on. And if I remember correctly regarding oral its said that it is performed by those who are otherwise unable to satisfy their parter. Some people just like going round and round in circles pointlessly, and others enjoy putting shardaloos of another religion in dubhida. As Matheen said, why the fixation with the issue?

sorry biography I think.

Singh I got that page from a pdf file made by one of the damdami taksal websites a few years ago, i think its the autobiography of Sant Kartar Singh. Its a story I have heard from a few mahapursh.

http://www.sikhitothemax.com/page.asp?ShabadID=1682

such a true post man... may Kalgiavala do kirpa on us all

Great seva raagmala ji, please continue.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CADJ7xc_qKA...feature=related Various Nihang Singh Dals can be seen in this video, the first jathedar shown at around 40 seconds is Jathedar Baba Surjeet Singh of Budha Dal. Towards the end you can also see Baba Daya Singh Bidhi Chandia on horseback. A lot of other dals can be seen also. Some great footage of maharajs ladlian faujan.

Some viichar on the kabits of Bhai Gurdas Ji where Bhai Sahib says: 'Logan Mai Logachar, Bedan Mai Bed Beechar' Singh if you could ask Baba Ji on "Kshatri Dharam and Khalsa Dharam" (links, overlaps, connection etc) I would be very grateful. Thanks.

gsingh00, whether Guru Sahib is simply translating something else, if it didnt mean anything Guru Sahib wouldnt have translated it such. references to the benefit obtained of reading, writing, contemplating on a bani comes up a lot in dasam maharajs bani. I guess it depends on ones sharda for maharaj to how the interpret it. Even if maharaj translatd something he always gave it his own touch, his own philosophy and the teachings he wanted to give to his Sikhs. I dont think Maharaj would put something in if it wasnt true...sat bachan sadhu updesh

Neo Ji it might be a good idea to split into a new topic along lines of 'significance of performing chatka to coconut'

I dont have time to 'hate' someone. If you do not understand the Gurguddi Significance then I humbly suggest you aviod rolling on the floor laughing at a tradition followed by your Gurus until you do understand it. Its pretty disrespectful. Once again... no one has said gurbani is not important so please stop trying to stress the point that somehow the power of Gurbani is being undermined. The narial is only significant if someone tries to sit through as much of the path as they can and miss a few hours. It doesnt mean they will get phal of the path, it is a humble offering before the Guru asking for forgiveness that you cant sit continuosly for 48 hours. The thing about the 3 holes thing I have heard from a Nihang Singh and the bullee significance. No one has every said it compensates listening to the path, it is simply a humble offering and nothing more. Silence you do not have to take extreme negative aspect of every point to try and falsify what I have said... i.e. putting a coconut down and going out with mates. Once again, no one is trying to say the listening of the path doesnt bare more phal, why do you keep persuming 'rituals' somehow suggest an insignificance of gurbani. Narial symbolically represents breaking of the ego, its a ritual it represents something. In the same way that the retual of bowing down represents something. When bowing down to Guru Sahib reprents surrendering your ego. Its a ritual, It doesnt mean your ego has been broken, when you bow down to Guru Sahib and get back up have you lost your ego? Hopefully this will help you undestand: When you do pandaya dee seva do you not imagine cleaning dishes somehow cleaning your mind? When one does shastara dee seva do they not imagine cleaning the minds rusts at the same time as cleaning the rust from shastar? When cleaning sangats shoes do you not imaginie dirty mind also being cleaned? When shattering a cocunut with a shastar (form of Akal Purakh) is it somehow then illogical to imagine your ego being shattered by the grace of the Guru? Your honest opinion is pretty irrelevant and what you have stated is the same as me saying... 'IMHO people only do langar at the Gurdwara because they want to eat, not because they want to keep alive the traditions of Gurus langar.' Why would the Guru do something that his Sikhs werent supposed to do? Your logic falls over itself mate. The mukti thing is not 'added on; if you knew anything about the traditions of Chatka, the preperations, the bani involved, he maryada sorrounding it they are all based around the idea of giving the animal mukti. If you dont want to do something thats fine, but dont make out to others that what their Guru did is some how wrong for them to do, especially when you are 'bluntly' or rather incorrectly assuming theri motivations... are you a brahmgiani silence?

No offence taken, your response was quite expected. Silence, Could you please tell us the significance of placing a narial next to maharaj for an akhand path? No one disagrees nothing is more powerful than gurbani, no one undermines that... but you are saying coconut is meaningless. Could you then please kindly tell us that when passing Gurguddi to the new Guru, why would the new Guru always be presented with a narial by previous Guru or Baba Budha Ji? Also is there no significance of parshad in Sikhi? Is there no emphasis placed on shastar as peer? Should we not prepare parshad with shastar as one akhar of gurbani is more powerful than any of that? Question for you... do you believe Guru Sahib went hunting, as they have stated in their autobiography? Heres where a classic arguement comes in... "the fools that do chatka dont realise Guru Sahib only did it because he could give them mukti"... question to them.... Is there no shakti in the Sri Guru Khalsa Panth? No human being on their own has power to do anything, hence why all the bani is recited before hand and the vaar is performed on the last line of Chandi Di Var which translates... "The Vaar of Durga has been composed on Paurees, Those who singh this bani will not take birth again" .... do those words of maharaj not have any power? Answers to questions would be greatly apprciated?

Are you sure Singhs didnt do a bakra? lol sounds like a bakra if you listen around 4mins 40 secs...sounds like someones just trying to have some fun lol.... hahahahah Chardi kala

Great videos, thanks for sharing. Giving Bullee of a narial is believed to be the next best thing to a bakra (not replacement). Like a bakra, it is both an offering to Shakti and is also symbolic act illustrating killing of ego (mai). The three holes in the narial are taken to represent two eyes and a mouth, hence why people often place it next to maharaj during akhand path - as it is not possible to sit there listening to the whole path you put a nareal down representing you placing your head at the Gurus charan which stays there during the whole akhand path. Chatka of nareal represnts killing that mai and merging with the Guru. Narial has always been a great parshad and holy offerings, hence why it always accompanied the tilak of Gurugaddi performed by Baba Budha Ji or one of the Gurus. Giani Thakur Singh says in his katha in asa di var when he talks about the Nihang Singh maryada of Chatka being Guru ordained, that the Vaar (Strike) of shastar is to be performed on the Bakra when at the last verse "Pher Na Joonee Aiya Jin Ay Gaya", liberating the atma of the bakra. So for narial it would be the same line. Hope that helps.

are the bania or mantrs to be recited out loud or in surti? In surti would certainly shorten the time, does it bare the same phal?

Fantastic

Agree with you 100% regarding the mindset thing. Its something I have spoken to sampradai scholars about, its the modern day intelectuals who are leading the pro dasam bani camp despite managing to rally sampradai scholars. I expressed my concerns to some of the sampradai scholars most involved in the pro dasam bani campaign, and they agreed that sometimes academics outwith of sampradava speaking in favour of dasam maharaj lead to more confusion. There have been scholars in past decades from various universities who have written beautifully on the subject. Others just havent been blessed with grasping the complete philosophy., despite knowing the history of dasam bani inside out. A few of the thing I raised with the sampradai vidhvans: - Comments by Dr Harpal Singh Pannu on a tv show speaking in favour of Sri Dasam Guru Granth Sahib being the bani of Sri Guru Gobind Singh Ji but then going on to say it should be parkash in a seperate room from Sri Guru Adi Granth Sahib Ji. Despite, historical evidence suggesting both granths were parkash along side one another. Such comments create further confusion... All of its bani but not Gurbani...??? - The way some academics like to propogate Sri Guru Gobind Singh Jis rejection of avtars without explaining their significance. Its like saying "Dont worry, we can make this fit your mindset so that you can believe its written by your Guru". Maharaj certainly advocates the worship of Ik-Onkar only, but to simply prepare articles with copy and pasted lines apparently 'cussing' avtars does not do any justice to the masses of writings maharaj wrote regarding the topic of avtarvaad. Understandable that all use the line 'Mai Na Genesai Pritham Manao, Kisan Bisan Kabhoo Nai Dhayaoo', to counter the petty arguement and prove the point such writings could not have been written by a 'Hindu' in a most basic manner for the masses to understand. But if one is going to go to the effort of preparing an article, instead of writing on the 'rejection' of avtaarvad why not clarify the whole topic by writing on the concept of avtarvaad? - The translations academics have made on dasam bani, good effort by them but as one of the 5 Sahiban said to me regarding one of the translators..."If he did not understand he should have asked, he should have had someone check....instead he has misunderstood and mistranslated a lot of important stuff". It is believing ones own mat is adequate to understand it, that grasping the language means you will grasp the philosophy... unfortunately it doesnt usually work like that. Many other small things as well, the last paragraph of Neos post pretty much sums up the situation. Whats point does it prove: Those who want to study gurbani should do so from an ustad with some sort of traceable lineage to Sikhs who learnt Gurbani and Arth from Sri Guru Gobind Singh Ji. There are many such taksals all over India be the Sevapanthi, Taksali, Nihang, Nirmale akhara, many other mahapursh etc... and their students are in most western countries... If your gonna learn path its the best place to start. May maharaj do kirpa.