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In indian media the picture is twisted but what about sikh groups on fb? What about pannu? What about referendum 2020? Any sane person knows that referendum is held under supervision of UNO or any third party in the disputed place where all the people vote. The one sided referendum is nothing but a joke. Total waste of money. 

There is something called being realistic. Opposing khalistan does not mean being patriotic indian . Realistically Sikhs can't even vote for a panthic party in present Punjab but somehow  some day dream that if a separate khalistan comes to existence then hardcore sikhs will be it's ruler

In indian media the picture is twisted but what about sikh groups on fb? What about pannu? What about referendum 2020? Any sane person knows that referendum is held under supervision of UNO or any third party in the disputed place where all the people vote. The one sided referendum is nothing but a joke. Total waste of money. 

Nobody is saint especially the one who ruled over the others . BTW you should tell this to khalistani sikhs in west which are hoping that one day gora powers will support them and that is their only hope.

Is there any non sikh source that say that sikhs were really offered something meaningful?

Nobody is saint especially the one who ruled over the others . BTW you should tell this to khalistani sikhs in west which are hoping that one day gora powers will support them and that is their only hope.

The British became quite weak after WW2 . They were no longer world's top power. They just wanted to get out of India . Apart from Sikhs their were other demands for separate nations . Sikhs were only majority in 3-4 tehsils of undivided Punjab . Offering Sikhs a separate nation would had open pandora box which could even lead to civil war in British India. So just for Sikhs this was too heavy price for Britishers. 

Is there any non sikh source that say that sikhs were really offered something meaningful?

Yes Punjabi muslims gained a lot from Pakistan ,but Punjabi's are not only muslims in Indian sub continent
When we Talk about the welfare of a Religion then we have to take all the people of that Religion.Br creating Pakistan and then Bangladesh ,muslims divided themselves into 3.Imagine 500 millions united muslims of India today would have been the strongest muslim power in entire world.On the other hand Hindu's who were facing threat of North south divide remained united and today their power is of 800 million

It is not my point it is what author is saying though I partially agree with him.Muslim population in undivided India could have been 35% which means India could have been partially muslim country by now and in next 20 years they could had been close to 50% if there was no partition in 2030-40 .so they had chance of ruling entire India

Now if we take the present condition then muslims need another 60-70 years to reach 30-35% and no one knows what will happen in upcoming years

In longer run they don't seem to that they are winners
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What is the situation of the Muslims in the sub-continent today?

I don’t think that Jinnah has achieved anything worthwhile. Jinnah did not get his ‘full Pakistan’. At that time, the population of Muslims of India was about 25%. Today there may be about 450 million Muslims in the sub-continent. What is their strength and power in south Asia? When Jinnah asked for Pakistan, it was with the objective of saving the interests of all Indian Muslims including religious. But Jinnah’s achievement was nothing more than splitting the Muslims between India and Pakistan. Naturally, in India, Muslims have become subordinated and dependent. Later, Bangla Desh split away from Pakistan. Bangla Desh is an economic disaster. In what remains of Pakistan, Baluchistan is asking for independence. Then there are the never-ending problems with the Pathans, Talibans and the Al Qaida, not to speak of the problems with the Mohajirs and Sindhis. Are these problems not part of Jinnah’s achievements and legacy? Wanting to save the Muslims from the Hindus, why all this happened? It is because of the inexperience of the Muslim Leaguers in geo-politics. Neither they nor Jinnah understood the changing geo-political and strategic interests of Britain and America.

But India escaped somewhat. As ‘small Pakistan’ was created on the basis of the Rajaji formula and the Lahore resolution, India lost only west Punjab, Sind and East Bengal. Baluchistan and North-West Frontier Province were never parts of India. It was towards the end of the nineteenth century that Britain amalgamated them with British India. So Hindus lost very little. But Muslims lost the most. Sikhs also lost much. They were driven away from west Punjab. The British never showed genuine interest about the welfare of the Sikhs in the event of partition. That is why the barbarous riots and killings took place during partition. In 1857, the British used the same Sikhs to quell the Indian rebellion, but now they were abandoned.
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Also One cannot Judge Only on the basis of area as almost half of today's pakistan is Baluchistan Which are just mountains

Yes Punjabi muslims gained a lot from Pakistan ,but Punjabi's are not only muslims in Indian sub continent
When we Talk about the welfare of a Religion then we have to take all the people of that Religion.Br creating Pakistan and then Bangladesh ,muslims divided themselves into 3.Imagine 500 millions united muslims of India today would have been the strongest muslim power in entire world.On the other hand Hindu's who were facing threat of North south divide remained united and today their power is of 800 million

But India escaped somewhat. As ‘small Pakistan’ was created on the basis of the Rajaji formula and the Lahore resolution, India lost only west Punjab, Sind and East Bengal. Baluchistan and North-West Frontier Province were never parts of India. It was towards the end of the nineteenth century that Britain amalgamated them with British India. So Hindus lost very little. But Muslims lost the most. Sikhs also lost much. They were driven away from west Punjab. The British never showed genuine interest about the welfare of the Sikhs in the event of partition. That is why the barbarous riots and killings took place during partition. In 1857, the British used the same Sikhs to quell the Indian rebellion, but now they were abandoned.

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At present its much better If developed countries should concern about their future.Feminism and break up of Family system has killed their Birth Rate and the result is by each passing year younger population is declining and Old population is increasing.By 2025 1/4 japanese population will be above 65 year of age
The result of this will going to Either industry will move to low cost countries or they will demand import of Young people

Economic relations with Arabs are dangerous for BJP. BJP's politics work on hatred of muslims and if muslims get in trouble Islamic nations will come to rescue them. Recently OIC interferes in India when There was some violence on Ram Navmi . Last year BJP had to throw out Nupur Sharma when she said against Mohammed. 

And this is one reasons for the craze for going abroad.
Luxury cars' demand on the rise in Punjab



Punjabi's have forgotten most basic rule of sikhi and that is simple living.Punjab is in thirld world cpuntry of India.It can only provide you simple life small house ,family.It cannot provide you the lavish lifestyle through fair means

Do you want to sell your passport too.Make sure appoint me as your broker 10 di jagah 20 milenge

Punjabi people may have thousand of bad points but there is other side of story too.Why will any NRI will give up his/her lifestyle which he/she is getting in developed country? Here an NRI have to face common day to day problem like electricity cuts ,water shortage,corruption etc and those who have lived much of their life in developed countries Why will they give up that lifestyle to live in Punjab especially the pinds.You cannot clap from one hand.Living in lower standard of lifestyle is most difficult for humans and one of primary reason for suicide among farmers.Why will any NRI lower his standard

And this is one reasons for the craze for going abroad.
Luxury cars' demand on the rise in Punjab



Punjabi's have forgotten most basic rule of sikhi and that is simple living.Punjab is in thirld world cpuntry of India.It can only provide you simple life small house ,family.It cannot provide you the lavish lifestyle through fair means

There are no provision to learn these things through schools.If you have money then employ a professional bricklayer or carpenter and ask him to teach you.Or just attach yourself with an experianced bricklayer and do whatever he says,but the problem is he may scold you many times which many people don't like.

Many times the issue of child labour is raised but everybody turn a blind eye that Children work to earn and learn.majority of people in India learn all the low level work in this way.

Also it is much better if anyone open school their for these people as charity In UK.

These days bengali muslims are dominating all low level work in cities here because they are tightly knit community .they work as maid,rikshaw puller labourer vendors and as the demand of more labour come they just telephone to their village so more of their community can benefit

To be frank I don't mind if they do clamp down on Non sikhs.In non sikhs dominated area's many people just take advantage of langar and start treating Gurdwara's as their eating joints without having any respect for Sikhism or Sikhs

To be frank I don't mind if they do clamp down on Non sikhs.In non sikhs dominated area's many people just take advantage of langar and start treating Gurdwara's as their eating joints without having any respect for Sikhism or Sikhs

In which Gurdwara?

Well I agree with you that Hindu boys don't have any pre planned strategy to trap sikh Girl.But If sikh Girls themselves are so desperate to marry non sikhs
then they are obviously an easy target for anybody.
The net result of all this is that they are ending up in non sikh homes with non sikh families.The question why should sikhs spend time,energy on these type of Girls who hate the image of sikhs.

As I said above Sikhs should help Girls if they found them in love jihad but I don't think that sikh boys should give special attention on sikh Girls when they themselves are marrying non sikhs with their own wish

Economic relations with Arabs are dangerous for BJP. BJP's politics work on hatred of muslims and if muslims get in trouble Islamic nations will come to rescue them. Recently OIC interferes in India when There was some violence on Ram Navmi . Last year BJP had to throw out Nupur Sharma when she said against Mohammed.