amardeep

I think taksal in India is much more ortodox in nature than what we see in in the taksali gurdwaras here in Europe. Dasam parkash, hawan in some places, study of vedant and sanskrit etc etc....

Why are the works of Bhai Nand Lal Goya mentioned under the section of Islam?

It is a good question Das - especially considering that Guru Maharaj had more than a 100 scholars and poets present who could have written such a full commentary. I think the answer is in keeping the Khalsa strong and vital possesing the arths through oral lineages. Thats why the katha was given orally instead of in a book form.. Many 19th (and maybe also 18th century - im not sure) talks about the key role of Bhai Mani Singh as an investigator of arths and how he was given them orally by the Guru and then passed onto his students..
Paapiman: It has been published, im not sure if you can find it online. The published version is called something like "Puratan Teeka"... I've read the arth on mool mantar, - it goes into depth about Brahma, Vishnu, Shiva etc. etc.. its quite deep...

some references:

All the gods and goddesses are enticed by Maya. (Guru Granth Sahib Ji, Ang 227)

She has bewitched Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva. Only those Gurmukhs who are attuned to the Naam are blessed. ||2|| (Guru Granth Sahib Ji, Ang 394)

Through Brahma, the hymns of the Vedas were revealed, but the love of Maya spread. The wise one, Shiva, remains absorbed in himself, but he is engrossed in dark passions and excessive egotism. ||2|| Vishnu is always busy reincarnating himself - who will save the world? The Gurmukhs are imbued with spiritual wisdom in this age; they are rid of the darkness of emotional attachment. ||3|| (Guru Granth Sahib Ji, Ang 559)

The Vedas do not know His greatness. Brahma does not know His mystery…. Shiva does not know His mystery. The gods gave grown weary of searching for Him. (Guru Granth Sahib Ji, Ang 894)

here are links to other mocks:

http://www.searchsikhism.com/hind11.html

http://www.searchsikhism.com/hind10.html

What are you talking about? I haven’t deleted such a topic and if someone deleted it it would probably be because it ran out of hand - not due to the topic itself.  
Are you having a bad day again dally ?

It's about 700 pages long. Dont be cheap

The west has become the chele of India due to its economic expansion. They are not gonna do anything

Are there any scriptural references to what kind of state Maharaja Ranjit Singh had built? How was the economic and social politics in the state?

Dalip Singh interprets the mentioning of Hemkunt Sahib and the seven peaks of snow etc as Guru Gobind Singh doing Bhakti in the womb of Mata Gujri, whereafter God instructs Guru Maharaj of his duty and mission, and hereafter sends him into Kalyug.

this is an interesting interpretaion. he has based it on his studies of some hindu scriptures that mentions the Jog of some important hindu figure mentioned in the Batchitra Natak

They were given respect in pre-singh sabha days.. the Singhs Sabha completely smashed their authority and legitimacy (probably also more in accordance with Gurmat cause as KS says, respect is given on basis of merit)

I haven't read the book but I think he is referencing loads of teekas along the way. Not sure how old they are though.

In the Dehradun paintings of the Gurus (made sometime between the 1660s-1690s) Guru Arjan is depicted carrying a falcon - just like Guru Hargobind. And Guru Gobind Singh in later paintings

Waheguru ji ka Khalsa Waheguru ji ki Fateh.

i've noticed that the rehitnama of Bhai Nand Lal wherein the three forms of the Guru is mentioned is dated to 1695, ie 12 years prior to Guru Gobind Singh Maharaj leaving for the heavens...

I was therefore wondering what scholars say about this rehitnamas authencity. Kahn Nabha rejects it due to the date given, but what do others say? Mcleod in his Sikhs of the Khalsa say the language is to poor to be writtein by the prominent Bhai Nand Lal Goya

Gurfateh
Here is an interesting article.
 
In pictures: A gurdwara opens after seven decades in Peshawar as city's Sikhs struggle for survival
Descendants of Hari Singh Nalwa, because of whom today's Pakistan has Peshawar, strive to carve out a space for themselves in the city.
 
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Over the past few years, Sikhs from Peshawar and the adjoining areas have moved to Punjab – Nankana Sahib, Hassan Abdal and Lahore. An overwhelming majority of the Sikhs in Pakistan are Pashtuns.
During Partition, while Punjab saw the worst of the massacres resulting in the exodus of Hindus and Sikhs, the situation was much better in the areas of Khyber-Pakhtunkhwa owing to the influence of Badshah Khan and Khan Abdul Ghaffar Khan.
Founder of the Khudai Khidmatgar Tehreek, Badshah Khan allied with the Indian National Congress and was opposed to the partitioning of British India. Instead of religious identity, his movement was premised on Pashtun nationalism and was widely popular. Because of his opposition to the creation of Pakistan, he was portrayed as a traitor and was incarcerated for several years after 1947.
When his son Wali Khan uttered the lines mentioned earlier, they were portrayed as further proof of the family’s disloyalty. Because of their emphasis on Pashtun nationalism, which also incorporated Pashtun Hindus and Sikhs, the religious minorities of this area were protected at the time of Partition.
http://scroll.in/article/806478/in-pictures-a-gurdwara-opens-after-seven-decades-in-peshawar-as-citys-sikhs-struggle-for-survival

The west has become the chele of India due to its economic expansion. They are not gonna do anything

I doubt that he will win the election in 2019 but the fact that he is contributing to bringing Sikhs on the map and mainstreaming the Roop is a great success in itself. Maybe in 2030-2040 a Sikh will be able to rule a western country   

That’s nice 

I also think it has to do with making Gurbani an ever-living philosophy. As soon as you write everything down, they die and become static and people evolve around the text instead of it's supposed meaning according to the time you're in. Sikhi is supposed to be a living and vital religion which to a certain degree adapts to time

Paapiman : Thanks I will try and look further in to it in the steek.
Dalsingh: True. No one is saying to go for the texts at face value but it is interesting that certain names are mentioned. It means there was fame and prestige to these SInghs since later generations wanted to be associated with them. For this reason alone it is worthy of being looked further into: Who were these men, did they write anything? Who were their students? etc.
 
Unlike Sikhkhoj who said he reads granths to look for errors in them, I look at Granths to see what they reveal about the time they were written in, the generation previous to it, details of earlier happenings etc. Im not interested in finding lies and errors.
 
In any case, even if the above text has a forged lineage it still talks about famous and not so famous scholars of Sikh history - what was the outcome of their students? Their students most likely produced some writings in later generations, - where are all these?

Gurfateh
 
I have come across an interesting pothi of a Guru Granth Sahib commentary from 19th Century. On the first page of the granth it has the lineage of the writer going back to Guru Gobind Singh.
 
I have some questions in regards to the text:

Do you read it as a linear lineage (ie X taught Y who taught Z who taught Y) or do you read it as "X taught Y,Z and E. E taught L, F and G. Z taught I,O and P" etc. etc.
 
What I find interesting in this pothi is that it mentions Bhai Mani Singh, Bhai Gurbaksh Singh, Bhai Surat Singh and Giani Sant Singh whom the present day Taksalis claim their lineages back to. However, the sequence is not correct if it is read as a linear lineage. There are other 18th and 19th Century writings however that claim a direct lineageship between the aforementioned Taksali jathedars.
 
How to make sense of this pothi?
 
 

Satkirin: The 'Taksal' has changed name a few times in history but consisted of the same people. It has been known as the Shahidi misl, the Gian samprada and lately taksal. But the lineage are the same. Likewise with the seva panthi sikhs who has been known as seva panthi samprada and addhan shahi samprada.. But its the same. One seva panthi in the early 1900s wrote some like "There has been one samprada under two names".  Same goes for NIhangs who were called Akalis in the 18th century and then later on were called Nihangs more and more to the extent that they are almost exclusively called nihangs today.

God bless the students.

Pyara Singh Padam's Guru Gobind Singh Ji de Darbari Rattan is the best book on the topic.
If you read devanagri you can also try and get a hold of Bharat Bushen Chaudry's Guru Gobind Singh Ke Darbari Kavi.
In English Louis Fenech's The Darbar of The Sikh Gurus is the best book on the subject.

Are you sure its with a W sound? Would you also say "Wedas" to vedas?

I've always thought it should be pronounced like this


and not the UK style

Just started reading Plato on the concept of state and government.