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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-55265286 image copyrightWolverhampton Council image captionThe sculpture is due to be unveiled in Wednesfield on the 124th anniversary of the battle on 12 September 2021 The final design of a statue to 19th Century Sikh soldiers has been unveiled as the last stage of work begins. The 3m-high (10ft) sculpture, by artist Luke Perry, is due to be erected in Wednesfield, Wolverhampton, in September. The clay model will be painted in wax before being cast in bronze. It commemorates the Battle of Saragarhi. Although little-known, it is considered by some military historians as one of history's great last-stands. During the battle on 12 September 1897, 21 Sikhs died defending a British army post from 10,000 Afghan tribesmen. image copyrightWolverhampton Council image captionOnce complete, the statue will stand 10ft (3m) tall Sikhs make up almost 10% of Wolverhampton's population - almost 23,000 people - and it has been an ambition of councillor Bhupinder Gakhal to share the story for decades. He said he was "thrilled" by the "wonderful memorial" and hoped it would encourage others to learn more about Saragarhi. Latest news and updates from the West Midlands It is due to be unveiled in Well Lane, near the Guru Nanak Gurdwara, on 12 September 2021, the anniversary of the battle. Mr Perry has previously made a commemorative statue to honour the South Asian service personnel who fought for Britain during World War One. That sculpture has been displayed in neighbouring Smethwick since 2018. "With artworks like Saragarhi I want to create sculptures that are a visible marker of the under represented but vital, real people in our communities," Mr Perry said. "Because when you represent people you empower them."

This is something that should definitely be addressed.

The essay I read said "differences" but I think these were mainly scribal errors. I agree with this 100%. It doesn't bother me in the slightest that either is done, although I do read raagmala myself.

This line has been discussed a few times on this forum. Will try and locate a thread and add it here. Strict monogamy is not a core Sikh value. It never has been. Throughout the times, Sikh men did take more than one wife and there was never any issue over it. This change to monogamy happened when the British took over Panjab, and tried to enforce their marriage views on the populace. Sikhs and Hindus acquiesced whilst the Muslims didn't. I think Gyani Gyan Singh ji wrote that Guru Sahib married 4 wives who each brought a female attendent to the Guru's house as well. no bro. Don't know and possibly think there isn't one. The earliest source that talks about jhatka to my knowledge in Dhadi Nath Mal's Amarnama, where he details the Sikhs doing jhatka of Madho Das' animals in his ashram. Yes jhatka is done at Sri Patna Sahib.

The nitnem i use to help shudh ucharni is from Dal Panth and Giani Rann Singh says "ਤੁਐਪ੍ਰਸਾਦਿ" as well. It's ok to discuss sensitive topics as long as we do it with respect and have the strength to acknowledge that others may not feel the same. I personally read Raagmala but have no problems with any Sikh who doesn't. Brother, when the SGPC began the process of studying the saroops of SGGS to begin the standardisation, from which to print from, they found that between the saroops they studied there were 570 differences. They did this exercise in the 1930/40s and arrived at the one they use today. So since that decade long study into SGGS, they came to what we have as the standard printed version. Now these mistakes were spelling mistakes from scribes which got repeated and repeated as these older saroops were copied from and so on. The SGPC studied these differences and came up with a common census on how the word should be spelled. So today if you compare the standard printed version to older saroops you are bound to find differences.

Hey Bro, just a few words I'd like to add to this topic. If the RSS celebrate Hind-ki-Chadar Guru Tegh Bahadar Ji's shaheedi purb in the correct context, then it's good yes? (Mis)Quoting Gurbani has always been a major trademark of these Hindu organisations, and they will always claim that "hari/Ram/Thakur" etc are references to their gods. Our job is to counter that. To always stay active and one sep ahead. This same "Deh Shiva" was proof tht the Guru asked Shiv Ji for a boon according to a Sikh friend of mine. Let's start at home and educate those first. How did such an "opinion" become so "popularly spread" in the Panth? That's what you have to ask yourself. Maybe, just maybe because there is truth to it? The fact is that it wasn't just Guru Sahib who had more than one wife. Bhai Mani Singh aslo had 2 wives who gave birth to 11 children between them. These saakhis don't attack the character of the Guru in any way if they are understood properly. According to Sikh tradition, Guru HarGobind Sahib started jhatka outside Sri Akal Bunga after Guru Arjan Dev Ji's shaheedi. This practice was only stopped in 1940s by SGPC. The saakhi of Mai Bhago has been grossly distorted to claim that Mai Bhago was in Guru Sahib's presence all the time naked, when she wasn't. The first time she came to Guru Sahib's hazuri naked, Guru Sahib told her it wasn't right and told her to keep herself covered. But listening to cretins they push the story that Mai Bhago was always with Guru Sahib naked. The Devi Pooja story also finds itself in other texts as well but with differing stories. Maybe if you can locate a text or screen shot of the text we can look at it for ourselves here? And compare it with others? I also thought this at one time. This post was made in response to a post I made on Sikh sangat.com : "Kavi Bhai Santokh Singh Ji, was a poet indeed, but beyond that he was an immense vidhvaan of the Panth. He was a great scholar and theologian too, as is exemplified by his Japji Sahib translation in his Garab Ganjani Teeka. I would say Bhai Santokh Singh Ji also fits the mold of an historian. It was immense work and research he did compiling historical literature/records, recording oral accounts, visiting historical sites, and then analyzing all the information, scrutinizing it for accuracy, and compiling it all into the poetic masterpiece that is Suraj Parkash. He may even be the Panth's foremost historian!" This saakhi is found in Gurbilas Patshahi 10vi written by Kavi Koer Singh in 1741. This is most likely where Kavi Ji found this, but I'm with you on this one, I don't think there were 7 mahals. The texts from those times, all confirm the 3 marriages of Guru Sahib. I'm thinking that Kulbir Singh possibly thinks one, because he is afraid to answer to those who claim "equality" thinking a man should and could only have one wife. Yousee, it's very hard to explain multiple marriages without giving the impression that it was for adult purposes/wealth only etc. This is nonsense that has been disproved time and time again. There are 3 separate chikkas of all 3 mahals. How could the Sikhs just invent a chikka and raise a monument there with no-one questioning them? And another line which has been grossly distorted to try and prove something.

haha you saw the arrows fired! The thing is, look at the opening lines of our saviours post "Many people on this forum are very misguided..." and on another topic he is asking other members if they have read Gurbilas P6 to comment because he sees reading it for himself as a "waste" of time. Do you remember the last person who posted a topic here, and then wouldn't reveal the source, until I found it, and then reading it for myself, saw that the OP had given a very gross misinterpretation of it? That's the dangerous thing. My guy wants us to spoon feed him information, without verifying whether it correct or not.

Thanks for sharing that. It something that I've been thinking about recently seeing the situation of some relatives. May I ask, how did you start drinking, if it's not too intrusive?

What's the histroy of this sword Dal? Who gave it to Maharaja Ranjit Singh?

Nice share Dal, will definitely be watching this.

I hope you had read this thread before commenting but it seems that you haven't. This thread was about Gurbilas Patshahi Chhevin, but we only looked at the sakhi of Mata Kaulan in detail. That's one sakhi fro the whole book. Is that how you really want to introduce yourself on this forum? You are new here, and already showing yourself to be averse to learning the traditional way. You can find GP6 PDF on the net and read it. Reading is never a waste of time. I'm quite appalled that you would choose this forum of all forums, where in-depth detailed textual discussions take place for everyones learning, to state you don't want to waste your time reading.

If you haven't read it all, why are you so eager to discuss it or to spread kala afghanas thoughts here? Wouldn't it be better if you read it yourself and then presented yours or afghanas thoughts? And if you are going to present these views then at least tell what page they are written on so others can see if there is any truth/falseness in afghanas writings.

Well thank kudrat you are here to help. stop spewing hate? but... is quite hateful isn't it, when no-one on this forum has actually supported that. Or maybe it's cos Dhumma said didn't actually say that. If people used their brains, no0one would beleive in God/gurdwara/religion at all. Logically.

I have come across this old text called "Decameron." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Decameron#Frame_story It is a text which is very similar to Sri CharitroPakhyan Granth in it's structure. It's worth reading the above link to see how the main characters are represented and what they came up with in the stories. Just wanted to share this snippet from the above link : "The frame narrative structure (though not the characters or plot) originates from the Panchatantra,[citation needed] which was written in Sanskrit before AD 500 and came to Boccaccio through a chain of translations that includes Old Persian, Arabic, Hebrew, and Latin. "

We don't. It's as simple as that. The Panj being male is not to insinuate any such thing that you are saying. If you still insist on your method of reasoning, others will ask why there are no females writings in Guru Granth Sahib Ji. Then they can also claim that the Guru's only spoke of equality but didn't practice it. Where does that leave you personally? Deg is given to 5 Singhs, so one would expect them not to be drunks.

No. There is a distinct lack of knowledge of gurmat amongst Sikh preachers from Pakistan/Afghanistan compared to preachers from Panjab. But to be realistic, the Sikhs in these countries, marginal minorities as they are, have been completely neglected by the Panjabi Sikhs. No Sant or Samprdai is interested in these Sikhs.

Kabaddi players take their karas off. I know one kabaadi player who is amritdhari who used to take his kirpan off as well. It's totally up to you. If you feel so bad about it, then don't do it. Personally I wouldn't want to plat any sport against someone who is wearing something that could injure me. Would you be prepared to play that game? Basketball shorts don't have pockets do they?

This was all to do with trade and economy. India wants to compete with China but with india being a strongly agriculturally based economy some proposals were put forward to try and strengthen that sector so India will have more clout. These issues have been going on in India for about 2 decades now, but the truth is that most farmers are not educated enough, or willing enough to make a change yet.

He caught a lot of flack over his non-support for the farmers movement. Since then he has somewhat began to support it half-heartedly.

So how do they lie down?

I guess that no-one on this site really has much contact with them. @Amarjeet Singh_1737 I think, knows more about the Dal Panths than existing members here. Try sending him a message and see if it generates an alert in his email inbox.

Mostly. Depends on what you're talking about. Growing food, yes. Technology, no. Yes, and that's fine, because English itself, has many germanic, latin, french and even sanskrit words in it. The Panjabis themsleves lol. No-one in Panjab says "Pita Ji" any more more, they say "Father Sahib."

Yes, there is nothing wrong in understanding Dharma throughout the 3 yugs previous to kalyug. I find it very interesting myself.

The Muslims of Malwa went to Pakistan after 1947. Some of the families still hold gifts from the Gurus. If you wanted to try and research further, then you should contact the Nanaksar Thath at Wolverhampton, UK, who arranged a visit by one of these Muslim families from Pakistan to the UK some years ago.