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I would like to place some blame on N30 Singh because I think it is only fair that I do so...although he has nothing to do with 1984...I'm not sure if he was even born at that time, but still

Thanks to everyone who has contributed here, especially fatehsingh and javanmard. Getting down to the root of things is always better than to sit there in la la land, and I'd rather be in support of actual or probable facts as opposed to 'generic' stuff....further, something interesting....we have all grown to understand or accept 1699 as being very significant, but what if...just what if...it really wasn't???

I have heard another theory that says that mian mir was called to darbar sahib that day and he witnessed guru arjan dev ji laying down the stone. I remember some of the tapoban singhs mentioning it and then later paushara singh mentioned it in his book

there are many things different groups omit, and many things different groups submit....very rarely does one say "I'm not 100% right, I admit'

In all honesty, I don't think any camp would say please keep your kashera on it will break rehit unless there was some hanky panky going on, and I take back my originial comment. I will not hold mine on the same day. I wish the organizers and all those who are introducing and encouraging others to find some kind of footing in sikhi...all the best!

The more open debate the better! and I still want my apology

if guru nanak is krishna of this age, who are the gopis?....why are you arguing that ? who said george bush supports chelse? btw, why don't sikhs eat pashaadh

This website is serious and is not condusive to jokes.... (just joking), but seriously another fact that I have not come across apart from supposed notes made by sardar kapoor singh is that of bhagat singh wanting to be amritdhari. A museum in delhi has his final writings. I held them in my hand as bhagat singh's writings fell into the hands of his brothers...and whilst in delhi, I had a chance to read through the comments. There was nothing written about bhai randhir singh, there was nothing written about sikhi. All I saw were leninist ideals and land division schemes. These were dated before he died. I also know from trends that most people need someone to copy and if you're elder brother was a freedom fighter, you're going to copy him so that you can personify him and get some of the perks.....well no one in the family became keshdhari....they all died bald!.......if becoming amritdhari had that much of an impact, surely his brothers would have followed suit. This is my opinion based on my own collected facts and experiences...many first hand

Thats it, I'm sabotaging it and holding one the same day!

I think N30 owes me an apology and I petition for him to offer it publicly or else...

I have a good idea, I think It'll be out shortly after it is printed, published, and released

To be honest, this is biased. I am not as cynical but this is punjab's history more than india's. Singho, the phulkian sardars joined the british in 1808, prior to the dogras...the phulkian sardars were jatt. This has less to do with caste and more to do with basic economics from my understanding. Look at the story of dial singh majithia, he was born after maharaja ranjit singh died and he went abroad to go learn, discarded kesh, started smoking and came back and joined the brahmo samaj (mainly because his dealings in his work was with bengalis)...It was these examples that prompted khem singh bedi (a khatri, as we all know) to re-invigorate the sikh masses and go on mass prachars.

To be 100% honest, I like the new look. It gives off a more inviting feeling and seeing kids smiling in the pics is nice too

Baba deep singh was a sandhu jat. Pakistan is full of jats, cheema,bajwa, dhanoa, etc.....humble muslim jat origin perhaps?

I would interpret that as in 'presence'...where logos/bani would be a way for us to perceive the perceivable element of god, and I would put the visram on gur ban kaia, sevak jan manai, partakh, guru nistarai....which I would then interpret as 'gur's bani says, if the servant accepts this, the guru will reveal himself to the sevak...hence nistaray.....please feel free to lead me correctly thank you

chill out guys!

gsingh00, you're probably right. I would want to see what the earlier sources are. The bhatt vahi's I believe are very credible, so I'd like to see what is being missed out.

Twareekh written by Bhai Chanda Singh Firozpuri, Gohaj Pothi and Das Gur Jot written by Giani Mall Singh prove that women took Amrit in 1699 could I get dates on these?

why is amrit the main focus guys? I know people who do all sorts after amrit, was that their 'ticket' to heaven?.......comeon it must be deeper than that

After taking time to do research, I love reading posts like daas's as 'insular at best'......

N30 didnt say they were sodomists, that was me joking but not being insulting just cheeky. I ask for forgiveness from the sikhawareness deities and I offer a cyber jalebi as my tankah

Balbir, I just read the above, could you qualify this statement with proof. thanks! Quote "Can you explain why you believe that Bhai Gurdas' varan should be discarded wholesale?" This is an example. Suppose someone knows the taste of a mango. Now whatever he says about mangoes is truth. It does not matter what language he speaks. Even a dumb person's tongue twister will be true. Some others may have never tasted a mango. They may recite poems remembered about mangoes referring pages with lines, full stops and commas. It is not truth. Bhai Gurdas Jee's poetry has many flaws. It says things that are misleading signals on the spiritual path the true Gurus have shown.

the moola good-a!

I would ask N30 to stop profaning against other jatha's by implying that they are sodomists..

I would like kim1826 to arrest kam1825 for calling balbir a freak as I am the patented freak, and I think guru's who prefer to travel in yellow submarines have no right to be on nanak naam 'jahaaj' or cross the waters controlled by the oceanliner 'sabd guru'. vhy so modrens!