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I think so, but Harsharan veer will have to confirm. I interpreted the above as, not trying to force religion on to them but letting them understand steadily and giving them room to digest. Kids don't want blind faith and rituals just for display, that's why you have to approach with calmness, steadiness to let them understand in time, if you go too fast, too soon, then you are likely to scare them away. For eg..... a kid will question why are we bowing to Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji and how is that different to bowing to some other scripture ? You could answer the taliban way and say something like '' just do it and don't ask questions! " OR you could slowly begin to explain what guru manyo granth is,..........bowing in reverence.........how Guru Arjan dev ji slept on the floor whilst the pothis and bani he was compiling were on the bed.........all these take time and understanding to digest, and parents have to be patient, calm and friendly in their approach.

I don't think that you have interpreted the post correctly. I can't see anything about blind faith, going against logic(which is part of illusion),... and enforcing miracles ! Why do you speak so harshly towards my respected veer ? Why do you speak against Baba Deep Singh ji ??........If you don't understand that he was able to continue without his head... then you don't realise what consciousness/soul is.

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that's sad.. You right, it's his voice and tone of speech okay. I don't know whether I feel more shame than him because I really feel sorry for the bibi. When someone has so much respect and they do seva and devotion for such being, and then this happens.. Who can you ever trust or believe ?

I know this was directed at Chaz... but i couldn't help the reminder of another Kabirji's slok.... ਕਬੀਰ ਜਿਸੁ ਮਰਨੇ ਤੇ ਜਗੁ ਡਰੈ ਮੇਰੇ ਮਨਿ ਆਨੰਦੁ ॥ Kabīr jis marne ṯe jag darai mere man ānanḏ. Kabeer, the world is afraid of death - that death fills my mind with bliss. ਮਰਨੇ ਹੀ ਤੇ ਪਾਈਐ ਪੂਰਨੁ ਪਰਮਾਨੰਦੁ ॥੨੨॥ Marne hī ṯe pā▫ī▫ai pūran parmānanḏ. ||22|| It is only by death that perfect, supreme bliss is obtained. ||22|| Kabirji is telling me that worldly death is seen differently by 2 sorts of people............. (1) the Ignorant see it as the end as they see a time-bound consciousness and have an EGO-Being life (2) The spiritually elevated see it as something to rejoice. They see it as a new beginning, that the life was just a middle phase. The spiritual being is united with ''Paramanand''-supreme bliss. Kabir ji already nows how to die the Ego-being life because he dies repeatedly, every day, in anand, in meditation.

That reminded me of ang 1378 where Sheikh Farid is repenting in old age for not doing bhagti after wasting the years of youth ਫਰੀਦਾ ਕਾਲੀ ਜਿਨੀ ਨ ਰਾਵਿਆ ਧਉਲੀ ਰਾਵੈ ਕੋਇ ॥ Farīḏā kālīʼn jinī na rāvi▫ā ḏẖa▫ulī rāvai ko▫e. Fareed, those who did not enjoy their Spouse when their hair was black - hardly any of them enjoy Him when their hair turns grey. ਕਰਿ ਸਾਂਈ ਸਿਉ ਪਿਰਹੜੀ ਰੰਗੁ ਨਵੇਲਾ ਹੋਇ ॥੧੨॥ Kar sāʼn▫ī si▫o pirhaṛī rang navelā ho▫e. ||12|| So be in love with the Lord, so that your color may ever be new. ||12|| Then Guru Amardas ji (also in old age) says ...''No, Farid, don’t say like this. The Lord is always merciful. Love is the gift which God has bestowed upon the mortals. Only he receives it to whom He gives.''............. ਮਃ ੩ ॥ Mėhlā 3. ਫਰੀਦਾ ਕਾਲੀ ਧਉਲੀ ਸਾਹਿਬੁ ਸਦਾ ਹੈ ਜੇ ਕੋ ਚਿਤਿ ਕਰੇ ॥ Farīḏā kālī ḏẖa▫ulī sāhib saḏā hai je ko cẖiṯ kare. Fareed, whether one's hair is black or grey, our Lord and Master is always here if one remembers Him. ਆਪਣਾ ਲਾਇਆ ਪਿਰਮੁ ਨ ਲਗਈ ਜੇ ਲੋਚੈ ਸਭੁ ਕੋਇ ॥ Āpṇā lā▫i▫ā piram na lag▫ī je locẖai sabẖ ko▫e. This loving devotion to the Lord does not come by one's own efforts, even though all may long for it. ਏਹੁ ਪਿਰਮੁ ਪਿਆਲਾ ਖਸਮ ਕਾ ਜੈ ਭਾਵੈ ਤੈ ਦੇਇ ॥੧੩॥ Ėhu piram pi▫ālā kẖasam kā jai bẖāvai ṯai ḏe▫e. ||13|| This cup of loving devotion belongs to our Lord and Master; He gives it to whomever He likes. ||13||

Fair enough Singhji, you are entitled to your opinion. You mentioned Sant Baba Nand Singh ji..... and I just wanted to give a little more information. I have come across previously where Baba Isher Singh ji stressed the importance of simran/shabad/gurbani as the only true means of mukhti. When he says the 'only true means', this is not indicating that he is not regarding sacred amrit as much, but he says something along the lines that to attain mukhti you have to die first and the amrit ceremony and devotion to rehat is when you offer your head and completely overcome any fear of death.. In short-....... Partaking amrit is the step when you overcome fear of death and offer/sacrifice of mann, tanh. Simran/gurbani/bhagti is to merge and attain mukhti from cycle of birth/death.... this is the kamayee, and has to be earned with self effort. You mention manmukh and gurmukh in above post- I think Singhji that the status of Gurmukh is not immediately earned after partaking in amrit, but I would call it the status of 'Gursikh'. To be Gurmukh, you have to live by gurbani and partake in both bhagti/simran and amrit.. ..ie..Miri-Piri concept I hope that makes a little more sense as that's what I currently understand !

Let's just say that meat is NOT strictly prohibited outright......(I think that most would agree here) But my question is.. what about ''khullah maas'' which is meat not killed by self jhatka and purchased from wholesale or take-out/food diners.....? Do we agree that this is prohibited or not ?

Totally agree. Because there is no one single definition to describe naam, shabad and naad,.. they are sometimes used interchangeably. You have to experience it for yourself and you will know when ''Naam'' begins to get pargat and then how you start getting attuned to it. A simple way of helping yourself to understand it is to think of the naad, shabad, oung....as being a vibration- just like everything else in the Universe. As per physics; we know that to graph a vibrational wave with peaks and troughs, there is always some source or origin where it begins or originates from.....and if we eliminate this source of origin, then the vibrational wave ceases to exist. A wave of vibration, as we understand is also what connects the source of origin to the receiver/perceiver. ....bearing this mind, I like to think of - -Naam as being the source of origin... or the infinite/unknown. aad jugadh, ajuni source -Naad or shabad as being the vibrational wave that is active in all of creation.... this is analogous to a sound wave, but not like the one's on this physical plane where they diminish in amplitude over a distance. The NAAM is continuous and is not affected by any resistive forces. As per anand sahib....'Naam jin kai mann vasia, vajey shabad ganerey''....... the Naam becomes pargat or manifests when one hears/feels the shabad vibrating within the mind. This goes on 24/7. If it's not 24/7, then it is not pargat yet. We could also say that one begins to get taste and feel this naam state of mind by connecting with the shabad/naad Getting back to the OP question ''Is Naam the Anhad Naad?"...... Well, anhad naad is a form of the naam or a manner in which one experiences naam. Strictly speaking, it's impossible to configure or describe in words unless one begins to experience it through naam kamayee. And all abyasees will tell you the same. You will also understand that Naam is not something that can be initiated by master whispering into initiates ear.. .as sometimes understood by some Naam is also not inured or obtained in amrit sanchar either We have to earn all of these with free will and efforts (Kamayee)

lol....I know....It's not as if I have a six pack to expose or maybe it's just hiding somewhere underneath that adipose tissue ? Yeh she does attempt quite a bit, but finds it more easier to go deep with musical simran like Snatam Kaur. I even get my kids doing it a little more often and I think my eldest has found it helps with her studies.

As far as I realize, in the early stages- we should keep Gurmantar/Shabad at the forefront. I always kept, or tried to keep the main dhyan on the gurmantar and jap. Initially, I probably tried to ignore them because at that point I didn't have much understanding...but I always thought that waheguru knows I'm trying to jap, so he must be putting them there for some reason. But you should acknowledge them and not let them digress you away from gurmantar. Later, the sounds start to get captivating and magnetic, and they begin to pull you in deeper.

From another thread, not so long ago.....in reference to a translation from a video. Lately, because it's so hot.. we have the overhead fans on in every room about 18 hrs/day ! I have repeatedly gone from room to room and I can feel the 'waheguru' jap coming from the fan in complete sync with body rom rom ! The crazy thing is that for a few days I was just walking around room to room and changing the speeds on the fans to see if my rom rom reaction still stayed in sync.... and it would do so immediately ! Again, I was getting a little concerned because I thought that I have developed some 'oversensitivity' problem..! I have been constantly telling myself that it's not rom rom and that i have messed up my own brain wires of sensory stimulation somewhere. So, i was quite relieved when I heard this video the other day and then re-reading Sat's translation convinced me that I heard it correctly the first time. Just a few days ago, I was even telling my wife and asking her if she could feel it ....I was asking her to really try hard to see if she could pick it up..... but she just gave me a weird look thinking that I'm losing the plot ! I can even feel it coming from the pump in the fish tank... but I never told her that bit !! In addition to this, I must say that there are days when I can feel the jap in every continuous sort of vibration that I pick up. Whether it's an overhead fan, the birds, waves on the beach or in the car.... what happens is that as soon as my mind says 'waheguru', then the navel area vibration starts immediately and in sync with whatever vibration there may be. A few weeks ago, we were at the aquarium and it even happened with the dolphin sounds ! I do have to check and confirm with a gurmukh that ''I'm all there!" on this account and if others experience it as well. Because I know Bhai Sewa Singh ji mentions it in the video but I don't think he says anything about the navel, nadis or chakras vibrating. The vibration and internal jap also starts whenever or wherever there is 'Waheguru' jap and it begins at the navel and if I follow it, I can feel it going all the way up from there to my head and in smaller nadis in arms and hands. Recently in this heat, I have been having a little nap during the day and I will put this waheguru jap CD on that goes up in various increasing tempo. After starting rom rom, within a few minutes I often doze off for 20-25 minutes or so. The other day I was having one of these little naps with the jap playing and as it was so hot, my shirt buttons were open as I lay on the bed and you could see my stomach quite clearly... During a stage when I was deeply dozed off, my wife came into the room and saw that my navel was pulsating up and down with the jap and separate from my breathing altogether !! She later told me that she stood there and was amazed because it was going at the exact frequency and in sync with the jap on the CD. She said she confirmed that I was very deep asleep and decided to not disturb me or switch the stereo off, and just let me be. We both could not believe that this rom rom was in full swing whilst I was fast asleep !! It's funny because I've been trying to explain it to her for a while and have kept asking if she feels any sort of thing and I know she's thought I'm being very strange. But after that incident, she understands the whole issue a lot better. It made me realise just how simran can literally happen whilst asleep as gurbani mentions. ਊਠਤ ਬੈਠਤ ਸੋਵਤ ਧਿਆਈਐ ॥ Ūṯẖaṯ baiṯẖaṯ sovaṯ ḏẖi▫ā▫ī▫ai. While standing up, and sitting down, and even while asleep, meditate on the Lord

Welcome ChazS1ngh ! You are right, it really pushes your inner ego to the limits at times. I have to constantly remind myself that it is ALL him and his kirpa. All I ever pray and ask for is that LOVE keep getting enshrined and stronger. I beg that I don't accidentally let a veil come over that connection. We all know just how easy that is in the world we live in. I hope you inspire and get inspired on this forum. Many members have influenced and motivated each other in many aspects. I think there is material and information on here that you will not find anywhere else or that no person, institution or gurudwara would ever have told you. Most of it is confirmed and acknowledged in some sort of practical approach or experience, and I don't know anywhere else where these kind of contributions exist.

yeh spot on ! I never paid attention to how the bani mentions the tests of duality being prevalent in month of katak(mid Oct-mid Nov) Anyway, I've been listening to Bhai Gurpreet Singh(Shimla), shabad from ''bara maha'' like crazy for the last couple of weeks. ... I keep repeating it several times in one listening........I've become an even bigger fan of Bhai Gurpreet ji !! Below is an mp3 link for this ...''Kirat Karam key Vicharey-ang 133" http://www.sikhnet.com/gurbani/audio/kirat-karam-key-vichuray

My legs have been a little of a nuisance lately and not allowing me to sit in asan for more than 30 mins sometimes. To combat this, I have been doing a few minutes of stretching gluts,hamstrings, calves, IT band.. and It usually helps. I also get cramps occasionally and for this I drink a can of schweppes tonic water every day(especially in hot weather) because it contains 'quinine'.... and this definitely helps !

In retrospect, I have probably had my more deeper meditative experiences in the autumn/winters. However, this summer has been a little different and I've been making the most of it. We have been going to the beaches around Vancouver about 3 times a week and after playing beach games with kids and family, I have very much enjoyed just sunbathing like a gora! !! Whilst getting this bronzing on my skin, I have gone in quite deep meditations with waheguru simran and with the wonderful sun beaming different shades of bright reds through my closed eye-lids. I very much enjoyed going deep, eliminating any surrounding noise and just listening to the waves that would be doing Waheguru simran jap along with me. Another little meditative activity I started doing for the first time was 'Sun gazing'. (I know it doesn't sound very sikh like!) I have done this whenever I can, whether in the garden or elsewhere at sunset time. I must say that I do feel some kind of sun energy/healing boost when doing this, even though I have tailored my own version using slow paced 'Saas Saas' simran. Therefore, I am definitely going to miss these activities when the summer is over, so I am hoping to extend and prolong the summer as far as possible.

Good post Das...! It gives the Mind that discipline as you mention above. I know a lot of dudes in the gym that use this for the same reason because it helps them push through doing more reps on the weights. They may get to a point of exertion pain and the mind says 'stop..no more',......but they are able to push through further by taming the mind.

Wow........those are amazing pics ! Did you manage to get some sneaky shots inside ?

I will just add the translations to this beautiful shabad for us with not so good gurmukhi skills. soohee mehlaa 5. Soohee, Fifth Mehl: darsan daykh jeevaa gur tayraa. Gazing upon the Blessed Vision of Your Darshan, I live. pooran karam ho-ay parabh mayraa. ||1|| My karma is perfect, O my God. ||1|| ih baynantee sun parabh mayray. Please, listen to this prayer, O my God. deh naam kar apnay chayray. ||1|| rahaa-o. Please bless me with Your Name, and make me Your chaylaa, Your disciple. ||1||Pause|| apnee saran raakh parabh daatay. Please keep me under Your Protection, O God, O Great Giver. gur parsaad kinai virlai jaatay. ||2|| By Guru's Grace, a few people understand this. ||2|| sunhu bin-o parabh mayray meetaa. Please hear my prayer, O God, my Friend. charan kamal vaseh mayrai cheetaa. ||3|| May Your Lotus Feet abide within my consciousness. ||3|| naanak ayk karai ardaas. Nanak makes one prayer: visar naahee pooran guntaas. ||4||18||24|| may I never forget You, O perfect treasure of virtue. ||4||18||24||

The problem is that most of us get scared with sleep paralysis. It has happened to me a number of times where you can't move and even if you try to speak,, it is great effort to just get some mumbling sound out of yourself. From what I have read about people that have an OBE immediately during/after sleep paralysis is to R-E-L-A-X. into it. The sleep paralysis is just the 1st early stage of an OBE........at the same time nearly everyone hears the muffling, static, shuffling sounds when in that state.. If you ease yourself into it, then you can feel vibrations within yourself just before your consciousness shifts outwards. .. The suffocating sensations are when we show fear and get pulled back in. However, if the next time it happens you try and just ease yourself into it......then you can be on your way... For me,,, I have felt the vibrations, but then I still have some sort of fear and this results in the forceful, suffocating sensation of coming back in. Just this morning, I think something was happening. This time I was completely relaxed but when I paid attention to everything around me..... all the objects like cupboard, chair .....seemed very fluid and as if they were in a very slow motion. A little like when you go deep down in a swimming pool and start viewing around you .........Again, I wasn't too sure what was going on and probably felt some sort of fear that made it all stop happening ! I agree with Das above, that OBE and expansion of consciousness (as in simran) are different .... but one can still be aware of both physical, ethereal,astral realms at the same instance. However, in the expansion of consciousness state, one has to be in a deep meditative state and as soon as you come out, the experience is over.

I don't know about any of you, but when I first came across ''Pythagoras'' whilst being taught a2+b2=c2................I thought that my teacher said ''pai'' Thagoras as in 'Bhai Thagoras',.......so I assumed that he was a Bhai saab called 'Thagoras' !!!!

The Anand sahib and especially the 6 pauri version, seems to always lift me to another level

Yep, I know what you're saying ..... Do you also find that the naad sounds deeper and louder ?

The best judge is the one who judges himself ਨਾਨਕ ਪਰਖੇ ਆਪ ਕਉ ਤਾ ਪਾਰਖੁ ਜਾਣੁ ॥ Nānak parkẖe āp ka▫o ṯā pārakẖ jāṇ. O Nanak, if someone judges himself, only then is he known as a real judge