valli singh Posted November 19, 2008 Report Share Posted November 19, 2008 . 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dhan96Crore Posted November 19, 2008 Report Share Posted November 19, 2008 Vali Singh well done fantastic seva but can you put up the full history of the jathedars of the bidhi chand dal please if possible? or can you direct me to any books pothis available on their history as would like to read about the jeevans of the great sant siphais of this dal. If possible can you put up more history about baba Sohan Singh Ji, i know some sakhis about himm he was a true pooran Brahmgiani. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Dynamic_Banda Posted November 21, 2008 Report Share Posted November 21, 2008 Want the history.. simple.. started by a thief !! ha.. is that good or bad.. oooh dilemma... ps.. whats going on in the Dal? why is Balbir still around?? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 21, 2008 Report Share Posted November 21, 2008 Want the history.. simple.. started by a thief !! ha.. is that good or bad.. oooh dilemma... ps.. whats going on in the Dal? why is Balbir still around?? May i get some sources of your above bold comment there? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dynamic_Banda Posted November 21, 2008 Report Share Posted November 21, 2008 http://www.santsipahee.com/bhai-bidi-chand-ji.htm " Bhai Bidhi Chand was a thief" plus ask anyone of the old babas from Bidhi Chand.. they are proud of the fact that Bhau Bidhi Chand was a theif how else was he able to get Dilbagh and Gulbagh (I think that was their names) back, its not like he want all militant on the turks.. he stole the horses back. Modern day evangelical sikhs may see stealing as a sin, but if Guru Nanak could be compassionate towards a cannibal someone that not only eats meat but people.. then im guessing Guru Hargobind would have seen the good in Bhai Bidhi Chand.. Another question to ponder.. why does history not give Bhai Bidhi Chand the title Akali Bidhi Chand.. if he was the first Jathedar of the Bidhi Chandia? Not trying to cause rifts and grief.. just making questions to ensure we all sikh something 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dhan96Crore Posted November 21, 2008 Report Share Posted November 21, 2008 Baba Bidhi Chand was a general , pure war genious. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fatehsingh Posted November 21, 2008 Report Share Posted November 21, 2008 Not just 2 horses, Bidhi Chand is also said to have stolen earrings, necklaces and other jewellery items from the Begum of the mughal and gave them to the wives of the Guru, gaining much praises from them. I remember having a real problem digesting this as I thought stealing was 'universally forbidden'. But it seems to me that the Guru's Hukam takes priority and creates an exception over communal morals and even other Hukams given to other Sikhs at times. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Mekhane'ch Jannat Posted November 21, 2008 Report Share Posted November 21, 2008 even stealing is an art form and has a niyam associated with it. There are some shaastras dealing with it, also the ishta dev for thieves was none other than Kartikkeya or Skanda the son of Shiva 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matheen Posted November 21, 2008 Report Share Posted November 21, 2008 For sure he didn't remain a thief once in Guru Ji's sangat. Getting back what is yours is not stealing. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mekhane'ch Jannat Posted November 22, 2008 Report Share Posted November 22, 2008 thievery is a noble art, let us not degrade ourselves by thinking badly of thievery. God is the greatest thief he will steal all your 'riches' all your pompous attitudes, he will steal them all one day, let us praise all real thieves for acting in a godly way, 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tejsingh007 Posted November 22, 2008 Report Share Posted November 22, 2008 lol baba bidhi chand is a blessed sikh of the guru he did not steal he just took back guru jis horse say now if some stole guru jis shaster wouldnt you go and get them back? so forth dilbag and gulbag came to guru ji .. satguru ji blessed baba bidhi chand with a dhal to do pechaar of sikhi bidhi chand dhal is an old samparda if you have any questions and doubts please go to sursingh and say what you wont to baba avtar singh ji then you will understand 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malwe Da Sher Posted November 23, 2008 Report Share Posted November 23, 2008 dhan96crore share some of your sakhis please. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dynamic_Banda Posted November 24, 2008 Report Share Posted November 24, 2008 tejsingh.. doesnt everything belong to the Guru ? What is there that is beyond the Guru? So in all honestly can one not take whatever one desires and say Khalsa TAX. !! Plus can we have sources on the Baba Bidhi Chand doing tap tapasia .. I mean I said he stole (wether he stole what was his or not he still stole .. im not debating the good and bad) and I had to provide a source. Im also not saying the Baba Bidhi Chand didnt do tap, im just saying I wanna know more, hes my favourite Sikh from back in the Gurus Days, 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tejsingh007 Posted November 25, 2008 Report Share Posted November 25, 2008 Baba Bidhi Chand Ji Chheena (Beloved army general of Guru Hargobind Sahib Ji who rescued Guru Sahib's two stolen horses; Dilbag and Gulbag from Lahore Fort). 'Chheena' is the name of a village (located next to Sursingh) where Baba Bidhi Chand Ji was actualy born. Guru Hargobind Sahib Ji was the one gave the name to Baba Bidhi Chand Ji.."Bidhi Chand Chheena, Guru Ka Seena" (Shree Gurpartap Suraj Granth by Kavee Santokh Singh Ji). This Hukam Nama was given by Guru Hargobind Sahib Ji as a reward of millions of sewa done by Baba Bidhi Chand Ji for the Panth. Following this, Guru Ji ordered him to form a jatha to preach Sikhism in around Amritsar area. Guru Ji also has given Hukam that Baba Ji's descendants will be the ones to run the jatha (Dal Panth) after him..(referenced from Gurpartap Suraj Granth) Baba Bidhi Chand Ji meditated and was protected by Guru Ji inside this burning stove while the Mughal armies were trying to find and kill him. Baba Bidhi Chand Ji was on a duty given by Guru Hargobind Sahib Ji at that time. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SURYADEV Posted November 26, 2008 Report Share Posted November 26, 2008 There are some shaastras dealing with it Ive heard rumours of the same . would you know the name/s of the shaastras?? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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