HSD1 Posted October 19, 2009 Report Share Posted October 19, 2009 (edited) On BBC 1 right now is a programme that should show people what really goes on in most non-middle class parts of britain. Will put the link up later if I find it on iPlayer or Youtube. How racist do you think britain is? Edited October 19, 2009 by HSD 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaheediyan Posted October 19, 2009 Report Share Posted October 19, 2009 Its not just Britain or a certain 'class' that is 'racist', all mankind is. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dalsingh101 Posted October 20, 2009 Report Share Posted October 20, 2009 HSD. You're just giving the apologists another opportunity to rattle off their standard excuses for the indefensible. But one thing I must say is we need to concentrate on racist bull within our lot, both internally with caste nonsense and between us and others who don't mean us no harm. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dharma Posted October 21, 2009 Report Share Posted October 21, 2009 (edited) I watched it. The goings-on didn't surprise me. Does anyone remember the BBC documentary The Secret Policeman a few years ago about the racist police officers? All the police filmed had a special virulent hatred for Asians. It was pretty much all they talked about. Some even said that they didn't mind blacks but Asians - no way. There was an Asian trainee on the same course and he was pretty isolated (sitting alone at break times, complaints made about him, topic of negative discussions) and when the instructor announced that he had been taken off the course the entire class hoorayed. I've attached a full transcript of The Secret Policeman.bbc_transcript_secret_policeman.pdf Edited October 21, 2009 by Dharma 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dalsingh101 Posted October 21, 2009 Report Share Posted October 21, 2009 Any upna wanting to be a "pig" deserves the abuse he gets from his white pig brothers. Also any brother denying that there is a rise in anti "Asian" sentiment (not just anti sullah) in the UK has his head up his chittor (i.e. Jatboot - licker) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SURYADEV Posted October 21, 2009 Report Share Posted October 21, 2009 Any upna wanting to be a "pig" deserves the abuse he gets from his white pig brothers. Also any brother denying that there is a rise in anti "Asian" sentiment (not just anti sullah) in the UK has his head up his chittor (i.e. Jatboot - licker) Thank the lord I have my head up my chittor. Because so far I haven't come across any hatred from any white pig brothers or maybe its because I dont have any negative, ghetto 'victim mentality' that you have! Assuming that you live in the UK, and you have a problem with the social/political/religious situation here: Sort it out or F*%k off back to Panjab where you wont face any form of discrimination. Or maybe you just cant face the natives their either?? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaheediyan Posted October 21, 2009 Report Share Posted October 21, 2009 Dalsingh, the problem is that there are not enough ethnics in the Police, your attitude is the same as ghetto Muslims and Blacks, its the reason why this country has so many problems. No one is born a racist, one becomes one. Same way, through good experiences, ones racist education can be undone, there have been many cases of this, esp in US, where race hate perpetrators (against Sikhs) were given a chance (by the victims) in condition they attended Gurdwara Sahib. The interviews of these ex-racists after their experience are amazing. If more ethinics join the force, the nasty elements will either change or eventually leave. This is what has happened in many other public bodies already i.e. healthcare, Government (Local and Central) etc. Worst case, they become closet racists, who are too scared to say anything for want of keeping their job. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dalsingh101 Posted October 21, 2009 Report Share Posted October 21, 2009 (edited) Thank the lord I have my head up my chittor. Because so far I haven't come across any hatred from any white pig brothers or maybe its because I dont have any negative, ghetto 'victim mentality' that you have! Assuming that you live in the UK, and you have a problem with the social/political/religious situation here: Sort it out or F*%k off back to Panjab where you wont face any form of discrimination. Or maybe you just cant face the natives their either?? Maybe it's because you are kept as their token farm boy, who they can wheel out as required to tell us all how good these people are in the face of compelling contradictory information. You are a sycophant, plain and simple. A lackey. And what makes you think that I am not trying to sort out what I don't like about the social/political/religious situation here? I have more respect for people who pursue careers as teachers, social workers etc. than the police force to achieve this. Whilst you are on the subject of Punjab. The truth is that problem with the place is essentially that too many corrupted, sellout peasants are their dirtying all institutes with their Jatt matt, from the police to the SGPC. Isn't it? Keep the token boot licking thing up. I guess an openly recognised instituitionally racist org is where your ilk would naturally find a home. Oink oink! <wink> Edited October 21, 2009 by dalsingh101 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dalsingh101 Posted October 21, 2009 Report Share Posted October 21, 2009 (edited) Problem is with people like Jatboot(Licker) is that these are the types of people purposefully kept around by the nasty elements to play down their existence and end up actually actually strengthening it by cover up. You know what. I actually believe the closet racists are more dangerous than the open type. The former are infintely more calculating, crafty and dangerous than the open type. They are snakes essentially. I'd rather be able to openly identify the enemey than have to guess who it is because they are covering it up with a facade. These are the types of people that keep tokens around to hide behind. If you haven't already, I advise you to watch the Tarantino film "Inglourious ba5tards", it makes the point well. Edited October 21, 2009 by dalsingh101 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 21, 2009 Report Share Posted October 21, 2009 I have moved all the off-topics into new thread under feedback section, if you have concerns regarding the forum rules, please use this thread: http://www.sikhawareness.com//index.php?showtopic=11939 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaheediyan Posted October 21, 2009 Report Share Posted October 21, 2009 Closet types are cowards, them and their cause will eventually die a cowards death. Hitler wasn't a closet racist, neither was Stalin or Mussolini, as an example. You don't get much more dangerous than that. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dalsingh101 Posted October 21, 2009 Report Share Posted October 21, 2009 You're being naive about how these people operate. They like to use Machiavellian tactics. They are happier behind the scenes. Think of them as vampires. They explode when they are exposed to open sunlight. We shouldn't let them scuttle away and hide in dank, dark corners to do their thing. Especially the police force. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaljug Posted October 21, 2009 Report Share Posted October 21, 2009 Any upna wanting to be a "pig" deserves the abuse he gets from his white pig brothers. Also any brother denying that there is a rise in anti "Asian" sentiment (not just anti sullah) in the UK has his head up his chittor (i.e. Jatboot - licker) This is a self-defeating attitude. If you look at the early history of Irish immigration into New York, they were getting attacked by racist American cops as well as the local Italian mafia. What they did to reverse this trend was to join the police force en masse. K. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matheen Posted October 21, 2009 Report Share Posted October 21, 2009 The more apney in the police, army, politics etc, the better. It's a numbers game - once upon a time, Southall was a 'white' area. The fastest way to change these institutions is from inside. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dalsingh101 Posted October 21, 2009 Report Share Posted October 21, 2009 This is a self-defeating attitude. If you look at the early history of Irish immigration into New York, they were getting attacked by racist American cops as well as the local Italian mafia. What they did to reverse this trend was to join the police force en masse. K. It isn't self defeating but empowering to face the truth. Problem with what you are saying is that the Sikhs who join, seem to be the spineless, conformist type. The only thing that changes when they join is them, not the force. Sometimes they even end up taking on the racist/supremacist views of those around them. If they are Jatt this is easy for them as they are pretty much raised with such supremacist ideas instilled into them from a young age. Truth is that the force is a seriously instituitionally racist organisation. That isn't saying that every white police man is racist but many are. Importantly so are many of those in positions of authority in the force. What we don't want is for Sikhs to be the token chumchay, that get wheeled out as a PR exercise everytime they get caught out. This undermines the fight against racism. We should be forming alliances with other orgs that fight racisms instead of becoming used like low IQ luloos and having to swallow our dignity. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaljug Posted October 21, 2009 Report Share Posted October 21, 2009 (edited) It isn't self defeating but empowering to face the truth. Problem with what you are saying is that the Sikhs who join, seem to be the spineless, conformist type. The only thing that changes when they join is them, not the force. Sometimes they even end up taking on the racist/supremacist views of those around them. If they are Jatt this is easy for them as they are pretty much raised with such supremacist ideas instilled into them from a young age. Truth is that the force is a seriously instituitionally racist organisation. That isn't saying that every white police man is racist but many are. Importantly so are many of those in positions of authority in the force. What we don't want is for Sikhs to be the token chumchay, that get wheeled out as a PR exercise everytime they get caught out. This undermines the fight against racism. We should be forming alliances with other orgs that fight racisms instead of becoming used like low IQ luloos and having to swallow our dignity. The met is a racist organisation - that is undeniable - but pointing out racism from the outside is a pretty slow and unreliable method of fostering change. For the most part, it just makes the cops even more racist (as a little time spent with a force like the NYPD will reveal). Get a few thousand chardikala Singhs with exemplary character and a dedication to seva towards the community joining the force, and the force will be compelled to change from the inside. (I am not questioning your opinions about the racist attitude of cops, but the method you choose to change them.) The thing is that there is a little respect among Indian parents for the police force, and young Sikhs would rather do anything except being a cop. If this attitude in our community changes so that parents learn to be proud of sons and daughters who join the police, the armed forces, or any other traditionally white institutions, I can guarantee that they will be forced to change - simply because they will learn to value their Sikh colleagues and peers. Sure, you might have a few snivelling cowards wearing Sikh garb in the police force, but there are also great policemen who are good lion-hearted Singhs. And the more of them the better, in my opinion. Show these Sikh policemen love and respect, and watch them shine! K. Edited October 21, 2009 by Kaljug 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dalsingh101 Posted October 21, 2009 Report Share Posted October 21, 2009 (edited) The thing is that there is a little respect among Indian parents for the police force, and young Sikhs would rather do anything except being a cop. If this attitude in our community changes so that parents learn to be proud of sons and daughters who join the police, the armed forces, or any other traditionally white institutions, I can guarantee that they will be forced to change - simply because they will learn to value their Sikh colleagues and peers. I respect what you are saying Kalyug but I think you are maybe superimposing your own good nature on these kuttarh scum. They will resist by all means, fair and foul. Besides, the whole joining the white army, police thing. Haven't our people done that to death already (metaphorically AND literally!) SIkhs need to recognise that they are fighting white supremacism and not end up cosying up to it for a regular wage. That is what happened in the past. We lost so much doing this in the past. Our own army, our homeland, so many brothers and sisters in partition and freedom movements. What we need most of all is an independent worldview. When we only see our futures as appendages to white society. We're in a crap place. Edited October 21, 2009 by dalsingh101 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaljug Posted October 21, 2009 Report Share Posted October 21, 2009 I respect what you are saying Kalyug but I think you are maybe superimposing your own good nature on these kuttarh scum. They will resist by all means, fair and foul. Besides, the whole joining the white army, police thing. Haven't our people done that to death already (metaphorically AND literally!) SIkhs need to recognise that they are fighting white supremacism and not end up cosying up to it for a regular wage. That is what happened in the past. We lost so much doing this in the past. Our own army, our homeland, so many brothers and sisters in partition and freedom movements. What we need most of all is an independent worldview. When we only see our futures as appendages to white society. We're in a crap place. LOL, thanks for the kind words, veer ji, but I was talking from the perspective of good strategy rather than good-naturedness: if you want to change something, change it from the inside; if you have an enemy, have your own within their ranks. Yes, being farsighted enough to envision an independent Sikh homeland is all well and good, but for Sikhs living in a predominantly anti-"Asian" environment, we have to make things work for us on our own terms. Having strong character and faith is the backbone of every Sikh endeavour, but historically this indomitable Sikh spirit has been at its peak when there have those who would destroy us on every side. I'd say taking on a traditionally racist institution like the police by joining and compelling them to learn to respect you is a great way to do develop this very Sikh spirit. K. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HSD1 Posted October 21, 2009 Author Report Share Posted October 21, 2009 It's good to see a topic where people are discussing in a civil manner. My two cents with regards to the police is that at the moment they are very anti-sikh. I have been in dangerous situations with coppers which were made worse on a couple of occasions by over energetic 'sikh' policemen. I still dont know why they were gunning so hard for me, but they still ended up losing in the end. Do you know why? Because no matter how hard they sucked up or how much they chased after their own lot, it was never good enough for their bosses. So they never got promoted and one of them is now an unemployed fat singh sitting on his sofa moaning about his crap life. Regardless of my experiences, I echo Kaljug in saying if we want change we need to get educated singhs (i mean our kind of sikhs) in high parts of the police forces, rather than joining at the grass roots level. The same goes for the army and top universities like Oxbridge. Recently that pie gulping fat arse known as Nick Griffin said that he had the army on his side. Now i know that the lower ranks in many regiments are the type to vote bnp and that many of the officers are naturally racist because of their snotty upbringings. Now if we had a sikh regiment in the army, things would be different. Even if the shit does hit the fan, we would have at least 700 sikhs trained well enough to protect our community. Alas, no one bothered setting one up. If we want to safeguard ourselves, we need to get people in the top of every branch of the country. And that means all of you! If you cant do it, dont expect other sikhs to either. Mind you, if you are not a student, i wouldnt recommend joining the TA at the moment as they have had just taken major cuts to their new recruit training budget. The reason i say we need sikhs in the top sections is because we will never have the numbers to join and make a difference at the bottom. If we do this, it doesnt matter what the chavs think as we will be pulling the strings. If you are a well connected top police officer (not all clever/posh whites are racists, some even make good friends) you can sack the racists at your own leisure. When they are on the dole, their families will suffer, and you will have pushed these racists back to the bottom where they belong. Without a job or decent references they cant buy nice things, educate their kids or take advantage of opportunities. At the end of the day, it all boils down to knowing the rules of the game and being ruthless enough to go all out without remorse for those who wish ill on us. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dalsingh101 Posted October 21, 2009 Report Share Posted October 21, 2009 See alot of what you have suggested involves very close interaction with these people. I'm not sure if this is a good idea. I think we need to develop things in parallel. You know expecting our youth to go in deal with scum on a daily basis (I'm talking about work colleagues here), isn't such a good idea in my opinion. That strategy you suggested in exactly the one whitey uses. See, you must understand that the whole issue in the end is about NOT turning into them. If we do what you suggested, we essentially have. Regarding the army. Traditionally they recruit from low IQ, poor achieving white (usually northern) sink estates for the foot soldiers. I wouldn't want my family around these people. Most are racist (hence the BNP support) and would struggle with a GCSE. You need to understand. The whole point is never playing by your enemies rules. Once you do, it's over anyway. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HSD1 Posted October 21, 2009 Author Report Share Posted October 21, 2009 Lol, I meant being in control, not joining the bottom and working your way up. Anyone who joins the army as a private and doesnt specialise (ie is just fighting infantry) will have a tough time. However, i want sikhs in the units like the parachute reg, specialist areas or as officers. The only way to win is to take the reins and control the power. We dont have the numbers to do what the muslims did and create a parallel social pyramid. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaheediyan Posted October 21, 2009 Report Share Posted October 21, 2009 There are some strong natured rehatvaan Singhs in the Police and the Army, instead of guess work, why don't you contact them and get a valid opinion. On the contrary to what you say, seeing Sikhs in the army and police will only gain the respect of the populace, same way Gurkhai are national Heros (even though they most likely laugh down at their Anglo brethren). When Sikhs were in WWs, the British loved them, I have seen many old newspapers (from during the WWs) with Sikh Soldiers on the front page.. being paraded as champions... it was these same memories that even caused a racist like Churchill to defend Sikh rights. Foot soldiers of all armies have traditionally been from poor backgrounds (looked down upon) - inc Sikh armies, stop being a snob. Seriously, if you hate 'whitey' so much, why are you even here? It may come as a surprise to you, but people are the same, world over. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HSD1 Posted October 21, 2009 Author Report Share Posted October 21, 2009 Foot soldiers of all armies have traditionally been from poor backgrounds (looked down upon) - inc Sikh armies, stop being a snob. Seriously, if you hate 'whitey' so much, why are you even here? It may come as a surprise to you, but people are the same, world over. Who was that aimed at? Anyway, the reason the brits loved sikhs is because we fought so hard after swallowing their propaganda. Like come on, imagine if there was another uprising in the punjab for Khalistan, but this time people from all over the world came to fight for us. Wouldnt that make you feel that the cause was truly righteous? By convincing others to fight for them, the English became even more confident that they were the ones who should rule and were always right. In Hitler's Mein Kampf, he clearly states the british empire would be used as a blue print for his Third Reich. He even envisioned an alliance of mutual respect before britain threw herself in with the french. They dont teach you that in GCSE History do they? No of course not. The british empire was all good and sweet according to them. They stopped slavery and built a railway across 'india'. Wow. So all the idiots in the rest of Hindustan could come to the punjab. Great. I hope an EU army beat these island monkeys and stick a giant railway network all over their supposedly beautiful countryside. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dalsingh101 Posted October 21, 2009 Report Share Posted October 21, 2009 (edited) When Sikhs were in WWs, the British loved them, I have seen many old newspapers (from during the WWs) with Sikh Soldiers on the front page.. being paraded as champions... it was these same memories that even caused a racist like Churchill to defend Sikh rights. Now you're being simple. Are you that desperate for their acceptance? That is a major issue in my mind, the way everything must be accepted by them for us to be acceptable. Foot soldiers of all armies have traditionally been from poor backgrounds (looked down upon) - inc Sikh armies, stop being a snob. Hey, I've seen you call poor pakistanis and blacks ghetto types. I also remember you saying how you no longer meet the thuggish paki stani types anymore because you got out of the area. You're more of a snob than me! lol Seriously, if you hate 'whitey' so much, why are you even here? It may come as a surprise to you, but people are the same, world over. Hippy Singh in full effect....... I thought you was a nihung??? Grandpa chose this place. Trying to leave. Will take time. But how can I miss the exciting chance of Babylon system taking some licks before I go! Anyway. Don't tell people they should be here or not. People tried to tell whitey that in Panjab and got blown off canons, hung, sent over the kala paani etc. Why you being their kooti for? Edited October 21, 2009 by dalsingh101 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaheediyan Posted October 21, 2009 Report Share Posted October 21, 2009 Mate, you are one of the 'Island Monkeys' and therefore are also being asked to be beaten with a stick. Whatever takes your fancy. You are implying that the British have not changed over time, bro, all nations do and have changed over time - no one is saying they have a clean slate (not even them - refer to the London Mayors slavery apology). But times change, no its someone elses turn for world domination, others like Italy, Mongolia etc have also had their turn, should we stay paranoid about them also? There is nothing wrong with our Bihari (you know, that place where Guru Gobind Singh was from) brothers looking for a better life, your parents or grand parents are guilty of the same thing, which is why you are enjoying all the benefits given to you by 'Island Monkeys'. Unless of course you are born in and living in Punjab, in which case, forgive my comments. My comment was aimed at Dalsingh. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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