Spiritual Master

[GurpreetKaur]

26 minutes ago, BhagatSingh said:

" If Its before the letter then it's like aa sound, if it's behind then it's EE. "

O.O

Where in the penguin world did you get that from?

I am gona say it's more than just losing Punjabi...

I think you are right, you just made me realize something I never learned in these 27 years. Dramatic moments lol but I was writing this to prove my points until I remembered the word nirbhau and nirvair which gets ee sound , it's not nervair. But now I don't know what are those sahari behari means.

I don't know I need to talk to mom about it, she knows her punjabi. 

[GurpreetKaur]

But it's not neerbhau and in real punjabi we say it nerbhau.. So I am right. Am ? :( lol

@Gunahgar

How do you understand sehari behari? Lol

[Ragmaala]

1 minute ago, GurpreetKaur said:

But it's not neerbhau and in real punjabi we say it nerbhau.. So I am right. Am ? :( lol

@Gunahgar

How do you understand sehari behari? Lol

you are right. I understand it the same way as you do .

But with santhya, I learnt that sihari is pronounced very subtly like a e in Hey.

So rav-eh v subtle eh

Vah-eh.. subtly eh,

Sihari is always kept short, you do not prolong it otherwise it becomes laan

Bihari can be pronounced as long as you want.

But yes, overall you are right.

[BhagatSingh]

2 hours ago, GurpreetKaur said:

I think you are right, you just made me realize something I never learned in these 27 years. Dramatic moments lol but I was writing this to prove my points until I remembered the word nirbhau and nirvair which gets ee sound , it's not nervair. But now I don't know what are those sahari behari means.

I don't know I need to talk to mom about it, she knows her punjabi. 

ਵਾਹਿ - Wahi  (like Wow, not like Vahi or Vah, it's not a V sound)

ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂ - Wahi Guru

ਮੂਰਤਿ - Murti (not like Murat, not even Murati) ਰਤਿ is conjoined like so  - ਰ੍ਤ - so ਮੂਰ੍ਤਿ  Muh -Rtih

Nice with ਪਿਆਰ you understood it is a Y sound. Good.

How do I imagine a penguin saying Weeeee? Can you record yourself and post a clip?

 

To learn to pronounce the Sihari in - ਰਵਿ, ਵਾਹਿ, ਮੂਰਤਿ - practice with this video below.

This is the best video, the most ideal video I found on pronouncing Sihari, all other videos I found were crap.

Pay attention to Short Kasra.  Skip 1 minute.

 

[Ragmaala]

3 hours ago, GurpreetKaur said:

But it's not neerbhau and in real punjabi we say it nerbhau.. So I am right. Am ? :( lol

@Gunahgar

How do you understand sehari behari? Lol

This should clear all your confusions.  It's difficult to explain sounds using written language. Lol.

[Ragmaala]

3 hours ago, GurpreetKaur said:

But it's not neerbhau and in real punjabi we say it nerbhau.. So I am right. Am ? :( lol

@Gunahgar

How do you understand sehari behari? Lol

Listen carefully from 48:08 in the link I provided . That answers your question about sihari sound.

[BhagatSingh]

1 hour ago, Gunahgar said:

Listen carefully from 48:08 in the link I provided . That answers your question about sihari sound.

A lot of our folks when they pronounce Sihari, tend to say ਤੇ ਬੇ ਗੇ ਡੇ

It really is a short e sound, not a Laan.

Now I know we do tend to say Wahe like that with a Laan. However for words such as Ravi, Murti, Hari, etc Laan is not correct.

[paapiman]

5 minutes ago, BhagatSingh said:

It really is a short e sound, not a Laan.

Bro, you are right that it is not a Laan, but it is also not the 'e' sound. It is the short version of Laan.

 

Bhul chuk maaf

[BhagatSingh]

4 minutes ago, paapiman said:

Bro, you are right that it is not a Laan, but it is also not the 'e' sound. It is the short version of Laan.

I know they are pronouncing it as short laan and that's how we tend to pronounce ਵਾਹਿ however the short laan does not work for the vast majority of the words that have a sihari. Such as ਰਵਿ, ਹਰਿ, ਮੂਰਤਿ, which are all short e sounds, and definitely not short laan.

[GurpreetKaur]

10 hours ago, BhagatSingh said:

ਵਾਹਿ - Wahi  (like Wow, not like Vahi or Vah, it's not a V sound)

Front of mirror saying Wah and Vah is a great game. When we say Wah it's like mouth goes from small o to big O and saying Vah it's like lower lip goes lower I don't know how to describe lol but I think I have been saying it wrong. 

10 hours ago, BhagatSingh said:

 

ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂ - Wahi Guru

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Wahiguru is like waheguru when I read. Like when I write punjabi in English I don't notice how word are in English. 

Waheguru--- if you are using "he" as then for it becomes Wahiguru. When I say waheguru ( he is like hey for me) lol

ਮੂਰਤਿ - Murti (not like Murat, not even Murati) ਰਤਿ is conjoined like so  - ਰ੍ਤ - so ਮੂਰ੍ਤਿ  Muh -Rtih

That's where my Punjabi fail because I will say Murat since the that thing is front of the word.

how do we pronounce if that matra is after the t. That's what is murti for me

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Nice with ਪਿਆਰ you understood it is a Y sound. Good.

How do I imagine a penguin saying Weeeee? Can you record yourself and post a clip?

I am a shy penguin and in hibernation too. We don't have alotta snow this year so internet connection is down and I have no energy to say weeeeeee, it happens during plenty of snow. You humans are messing up the environment btw. 

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To learn to pronounce the Sihari in - ਰਵਿ, ਵਾਹਿ, ਮੂਰਤਿ - practice with this video below.

This is the best video, the most ideal video I found on pronouncing Sihari, all other videos I found were crap.

Pay attention to Short Kasra.  Skip 1 minute.

 

She or he said ja jee ju.. Indirectly she's saying her jiju..  ja jiju, daffa ho jayo. Lol

I give up on Punjabi, It got more complicated .

[GurpreetKaur]

9 hours ago, Gunahgar said:

This should clear all your confusions.  It's difficult to explain sounds using written language. Lol.

I saw this video when I wanted to learn proper pronunciation and I could not open it since I read the name. I still can't hear it, call me a drama queen but that bibi incident and his phone talk was weird lol 

Plus when he does katha, he goes on about how if you don't do this and that will go to narak or something bad will happen. No katha person or preacher should put fear in people's heart. 

Thank you for the video though.:)

[Ragmaala]

1 hour ago, GurpreetKaur said:

I saw this video when I wanted to learn proper pronunciation and I could not open it since I read the name. I still can't hear it, call me a drama queen but that bibi incident and his phone talk was weird lol Plus when he does katha, he goes on about how if you don't do this and that will go to narak or something bad will happen. No katha person or preacher should put fear in people's heart. Thank you for the video though.:)

lol You have to be like a bee who tastes the nectar only, and ignores the rest. Adopts the positive and disregards the negative.

But it is all good.

 

[SAadmin]

On 3/10/2016 at 0:59 PM, MakhannaS said:

Do we need a spiritual teacher/Master to progress on spiritual journey?  

Both yes and no. Lets break it down a bit, external spiritual teacher point towards internal divine teacher(shabad gyan or shabad dhun)- universal non dual jot of all, if sadhak-student becomes introverted towards universal internal- satguru -eternal knowledge/awareness teacher then external teacher with form is not needed, his/her job is done. Sometimes depending on the karma of an individual as all of us are sitting at the different stages in spirituality, sometimes external spiritual teacher is not needed at all, sometimes internal satguru via divine insight or ephiphany will draw the seeker by making the  mind inwards/introvert and merge the seeker in its source. Make no mistake - Satguru/teacher is needed and must what we are discussing here is if satguru with form is needed or not. So its not black and white, external teacher is needed for most part as pointer but at times- internal teacher directly draw and inspire the seeker.

 

 

[dalsingh101]

2 hours ago, N30 S!NGH said:

Both yes and no. Lets break it down a bit, external spiritual teacher point towards internal divine teacher(shabad gyan or shabad dhun)- universal non dual jot of all, if sadhak-student becomes introverted towards universal internal- satguru -eternal knowledge/awareness teacher then external teacher with form is not needed, his/her job is done. Sometimes depending on the karma of an individual as all of us are sitting at the different stages in spirituality, sometimes external spiritual teacher is not needed at all, sometimes internal satguru via divine insight or ephiphany will draw the seeker by making the  mind inwards/introvert and merge the seeker in its source. Make no mistake - Satguru/teacher is needed and must what we are discussing here is if satguru with form is needed or not. So its not black and white, external teacher is needed for most part as pointer but at times- internal teacher directly draw and inspire the seeker.

 

 

Problem is that some people seem to have sycophant needs (they need to worship and admire living people and can't grasp the more individual or independent aspects of a spiritual journey), or they have strong social needs that cause them to follow a particular 'spiritual leader' to be part of a bigger group to socialise with. Sometimes, they can't be arsed (or are intellectually incapable of) making linguistic efforts/endeavors to try and understand Sikhi via written sources directly. 

Problem with such people is that they are easily duped by pakandi babas and easily fall into 'groupthink'. 

[BhagatSingh]

This video is interesting. Basically a sikh realizes she no longer needs her guru. And she feels upset that she feels that way.

I understand what she feels, but I also find it fascinating.

 

[Lucky]

4 hours ago, BhagatSingh said:

This video is interesting. Basically a sikh realizes she no longer needs her guru. And she feels upset that she feels that way.

I understand what she feels, but I also find it fascinating.

I can sense what she is feeling and why her emotions are high. This is SELF-REALISATION!  ....she has conquered her own "MOH" (attachment) to her guru.

SELF-REALISATION is about SELF and there is nothing selfish about it.....We are all here to LEARN our own lessons that are rooted in our baggage of karams.. "Karmi avai kapra" tells us that the the soul is dressed in this individual  skin/body/flesh in order to help "Sikh"(learn) the lessons of previous..

BhagatSingh,  as you mention that she is Sikh, .....I would probably go further to say that she has now become the 'true Sikh' after realising her own self potential in order to complete her journey. Her true "self-learning" and real sikhi will start now and the karmic bonds will begin to get broken. Gurbani mentions the bhandans breaking and that the gurukh realises that the relationships  and bonds were destined according to karams.

GURU takes and helps guide one to get from the darkness -->>light.  We have satguru Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji, that is the true living guru. ..When we go to to study advanced materials like physics or law, then we are shown the textbooks and materials that contain the teachings. However, in order to study these texts, we need to know how to read and understand what the written words mean ...(this is what all the earlier schooling and prepping is about) .    In the same way, a guide or master is very helpful for the prepping and guiding,  the discipline, rehat, the steps to get walking on the path etc.  because basically,....we have to "learn to crawl before we can learn to walk".   and the guide/master is the one that can help with getting us to that crawling.  The real sikhi is only done by Self, and that is when we really start the walking.

 

After watching the video, I was a little disappointed to hear the crowd laughing at the woman as if her emotions were wrong or she was somehow loopy! ... .. I don't know about anyone else, but I genuinely felt nothing but joy and affection to her experience and can't understand why someone would laugh at someone directly with such ignorance.

 

[Ragmaala]

4 hours ago, Lucky said:

After watching the video, I was a little disappointed to hear the crowd laughing at the woman as if her emotions were wrong or she was somehow loopy! ... .. I don't know about anyone else, but I genuinely felt nothing but joy and affection to her experience and can't understand why someone would laugh at someone directly with such ignorance.

Laughing was bit insensitive.

[paapiman]

On 3/10/2016 at 2:43 PM, MakhannaS said:

Does one's Master still remember one when he has passed on?  Any idea?

Bro, please read the verses below.

 

ANG 1102

ਸਲੋਕ ਡਖਣੇ ਮਃ ੫ ॥

ਨਾਨਕ ਕਚੜਿਆ ਸਿਉ ਤੋੜਿ ਢੂਢਿ ਸਜਣ ਸੰਤ ਪਕਿਆ ॥

O Nanak, break away from the false, and seek out the Saints, your true friends.

ਓਇ ਜੀਵੰਦੇ ਵਿਛੁੜਹਿ ਓਇ ਮੁਇਆ ਨ ਜਾਹੀ ਛੋੜਿ ॥੧॥

The false shall leave you, even while you are still alive; but the Saints shall not forsake you, even when you are dead. ||1||

 

Bhul chuk maaf

[MakhannaS]

18 hours ago, paapiman said:

Bro, please read the verses below.

 

ANG 1102

ਸਲੋਕ ਡਖਣੇ ਮਃ ੫ ॥

ਨਾਨਕ ਕਚੜਿਆ ਸਿਉ ਤੋੜਿ ਢੂਢਿ ਸਜਣ ਸੰਤ ਪਕਿਆ ॥

O Nanak, break away from the false, and seek out the Saints, your true friends.

ਓਇ ਜੀਵੰਦੇ ਵਿਛੁੜਹਿ ਓਇ ਮੁਇਆ ਨ ਜਾਹੀ ਛੋੜਿ ॥੧॥

The false shall leave you, even while you are still alive; but the Saints shall not forsake you, even when you are dead. ||1||

 

Bhul chuk maaf

Thank you paapiman Ji.  May God shower his blessings upon you. 

The verses above have truly brought tears to my eyes.  It has made me cry.  I find, each and every time when I recite the Gubani from the SGGS I cry because what my Pitta Ji says to me touches my soul so much that expressing how I feel is beyond words.  Suddenly words fail and tears take over.

I am going to post something now which actually led me to ask my question.  Please read it and tell me what you think.  It goes like this:

"Somewhere there was once a Flower, a Stone, a Crystal, a Queen, a King, a Palace, a Lover and his Beloved, and this was long ago, on an Island somewhere in the ocean five thousand years ago... Such is Love, the Mystic Flower of the Soul.  This is the Center, the Self."  (C.G. Jung)

Thank you once again for your help.  

 

[BhagatSingh]

@Lucky @Gunahgar

People often laugh because there is a quick release of tension. Also sometimes tension builds up and people laugh to release it. (which is secretly a pro tip lol)

Why are people laughing in this video below? There is nothing inherently funny being said. Nothing loopy either.

But this dynamic between Sadhguru and the magician is creating a lot of tension... 

 

[Guest]

On ‎15‎/‎03‎/‎2016 at 10:22 AM, MakhannaS said:

Thank you paapiman Ji.  May God shower his blessings upon you. 

The verses above have truly brought tears to my eyes.  It has made me cry.  I find, each and every time when I recite the Gubani from the SGGS I cry because what my Pitta Ji says to me touches my soul so much that expressing how I feel is beyond words.  Suddenly words fail and tears take over.

I am going to post something now which actually led me to ask my question.  Please read it and tell me what you think.  It goes like this:

"Somewhere there was once a Flower, a Stone, a Crystal, a Queen, a King, a Palace, a Lover and his Beloved, and this was long ago, on an Island somewhere in the ocean five thousand years ago... Such is Love, the Mystic Flower of the Soul.  This is the Center, the Self."  (C.G. Jung)

Thank you once again for your help.  

 

"I drained this cup:  there is nothing now, but ecstatic annihilation.''

RUMI

 

[Guest]

On ‎11‎/‎03‎/‎2016 at 7:39 PM, MakhannaS said:

That's fine, but don't you still think we need some sort of Master//Teacher to  show us how to put  theory  into practice?  For instance, do you think it is possible to become a chemist, a mathematician, a journalist or even a dancer by just reading books? Similarly, can one become a doctor, a lawyer, a teacher, just by reading books?  Do we need someone to elaborate on what the theory states? Do we not need someone to explain to us what the written word is trying to convey and show us how to apply it?

Spiritual path is a very difficult and lonely path and we certainly need someone to guide us and be with us when we are lost, lonely and totally desolate.  

 

We definitely need a spiritual Master on this unique quest.  We don't go searching for any such Master but when our time is ripe our Master finds us,  that's is the beauty and the mystery of this quest.  Parmahansa Yogananda ji was found by his Master this way.  When our Master finds us we immediately come to know the map of the inner planes and the landscapes we are about to visit.  Finding a Master is not our responsibility but it is the responsibility of a Master to find us.  When the light within our heart starts to shine so brightly it will attract the attention of a Master that can guide you throughout your quest.  This Master can be anyone.  It is foolish to believe that anyone can travel on this journey on their own.  If anyone claims that you can then my reply to them would be they haven't even started their journey yet.  They simply don't know what the hell they are talking about.  They are trying to stop you from proceeding with your quest out jealousy or competition.  Besides, majority of people have become very bigoted and ritualistic, they rather follow the rituals blindly.  In comparison, spiritual quest frees us from dogma, bigotry and ritual.

 

Anoop Singh Khalsa

 

[Guest]

47 minutes ago, Guest said:

We definitely need a spiritual Master on this unique quest.  We don't go searching for any such Master but when our time is ripe our Master finds us,  that's is the beauty and the mystery of this quest.  Parmahansa Yogananda ji was found by his Master this way.  When our Master finds us we immediately come to know the map of the inner planes and the landscapes we are about to visit.  Finding a Master is not our responsibility but it is the responsibility of a Master to find us.  When the light within our heart starts to shine so brightly it will attract the attention of a Master that can guide you throughout your quest.  This Master can be anyone.  It is foolish to believe that anyone can travel on this journey on their own.  If anyone claims that you can then my reply to them would be they haven't even started their journey yet.  They simply don't know what the hell they are talking about.  They are trying to stop you from proceeding with your quest out jealousy or competition.  Besides, majority of people have become very bigoted and ritualistic, they rather follow the rituals blindly.  In comparison, spiritual quest frees us from dogma, bigotry and ritual.

 

Anoop Singh Khalsa

 

Wow!!!  I am not sure if you know Hal found his Master the same way and so did Kitloo Maharaj.  It is said once when Hal was immersed very deeply in his routine sadhna, he heard someone asking him, 'Hal, who are you looking for?'. Hal replied, 'I am looking for a Master, who can guide me.' He immediately heard the voice telling him, 'I am here, sitting right near you and also meditating with you.'. Hal couldn't understand what on earth was this voice all about.  He got up from his sadhna and went to sleep instead.  Next day he went out to buy some food and he felt someone touching his shoulder from behind.  He turned around to see who it was and to his astonishment he saw a person who looked exactly like himself.  He was dressed exactly like him.  Hal froze and then he heard a voice telling him, 'I am you, and you are looking for yourself.'  The voice said, 'go home and stop your restlessness.'  So, he was found at last.chadwell

[delibeli]

On ‎19‎/‎03‎/‎2016 at 4:34 PM, Guest said:

"I drained this cup:  there is nothing now, but ecstatic annihilation.''

RUMI

 

Very nice.

[SAadmin]

Amazing quote by Dilgo Khyenste Rinpoche talking about Guru Yoga:

“The literal meaning of Guru Yoga is ‘union with the teacher’s nature’. To blend your mind with the teacher’s mind is the most profound of all practices, and the shortest path of realization. It is the life force of the path and the one practice that includes all others.

It was through relying on a spiritual teacher that all the Bodhisattvas of the past generated the mind of enlightenment and reached perfection.”

~ H.H. Dilgo Khyentse Rinpoche