Women and Turban = No.

[paapiman]

According to Gurmat:

• Piercing of any body parts is not allowed
• Wearing of Gold ornaments is forbidden
• Beards must not be tied

 

Gurparsaad, will make separate topics on the above.

 

Bhul chuk maaf

[amardeep]

"Wearing of Gold ornaments is forbidden"

 

why so? (not that I wear any myself)

[paapiman]

51 minutes ago, amardeep said:

"Wearing of Gold ornaments is forbidden"

 

why so? (not that I wear any myself)

It is hukam by Maharaaj (Tenth Master) bro. There is also a reference to it in Mahabharat. Please give me sometime. Gurparsaad, will make a new topic on it.

Thanks

 

Bhul chuk maaf

[Guest]

If anyone would like to know how Singhnis who have administered amrit have dressed, just attend an AKJ samagam where they are having an Amrit Sanchar as AKJ have had Singhnis acting as Panj Pyaras numerous times.  And yes they wore pyjami under their chola.

Having said that, if it were an absolute requirement to have bare legs, I would be fine with both Singhs and Kaurs having bare legs and wearing a chola which goes below the knees anyway. So what will you see? A small bit of leg at the bottom? Anyone who lives in west sees more than that on a daily basis especially in Summer! There is nothing intrinsically different from male legs and female legs other than amount of hairs.  So I don't think there is anything profanity about it.

But I think Chatanga was speaking about all persons wanting to receive amrit. The males must also remove their bottom and have just kacheras.  Again, I don't think having less than a foot of visible bare leg at the bottom below a chola would be an issue even for women.

But yes, in Sikhi women and men are equal and given equal rights by our Gurus.

[Guest]

2 hours ago, paapiman said:

It is hukam by Maharaaj (Tenth Master) bro. There is also a reference to it in Mahabharat. Please give me sometime. Gurparsaad, will make a new topic on it.

Thanks

 

Bhul chuk maaf

These are all 52 Hukams from Tenth Master. Though it says tying a turban is a must (and supports Singhnis tying them as well) it makes no reference to beard being tied as being wrong, and I am sure Guru Gobind Singh Ji would rather Singhs be safe at work having it tied around moving machinery and such, or in food industry where stray hairs can make their way into food of customers then it becomes hygiene issue. There is also no reference to jewelry at all. The reason piercings are prohibited has to do with the history of slavery and the fact that slaves were marked by piercings. Outside of that, jewelry is not an issue. Even the Gurus themselves are depictied as wearing ornate kalgis, broaches and such.  Here are the hukams of Guru Gobind Singh Ji. Please show me where it says anything about jewelry being prohibited?

1. "Dharam dee kirat karnee|
   Make a living doing honest work.
2. Dasvand denaa|
   Donate a tenth share of your profits.
3. Gurbanee kantth karnee|
   Learn Gurbani by heart.
4. Amrit velae utthnaa|
   Arise during Amritvela.
5. Sikh sevak dee sevaa ruchee naal karnee|
   Devotedly serve the Sikh who serves others.
6. Gurbanee de arth Sikh vidhvanaa tuo parrhnae|
   Study the essence of Gurbani with learned Sikhs.
7. Panj Kakaar dee rehit drirh kar rukhnee|
   Follow the discipline of the 5 K's strictly. Adhere resolutely to the five articles of faith.
8. Shabad da abhiaas karnaa|
   Apply the sacred hymns to life in practice.
9. Sat Saroop Satgur daa dhian dharnaa|
   Contemplate and assimilate the beautiful truth of the True Enlightener.
10. Guru Granth Sahib Jee noo Guru mananaa|
    Believe in and accept Guru Granth Sahib Ji as the Guide to enlightenment.
11. Kaarjaan dae arambh vich ardaas karnee|
    When undertaking any task, first perform the prayer of ardas.
12. Jaman, maran, ja viah mokae jup da paatth kar tihaaval (Karaah Parsaad) kar anand sahib dia punj paurian, ardaas, pratham panj pyaariaan atae hazooree granthee noo vartaa kae oprunth sangat noo vartaaouna|
    For birth naming, funeral, or marriage ceremonies or devotional reading paath, recite Japji Sahib while making Karah Prashad, perform five verses of Anand Sahib, and ardaas, and then distribute Karah Prashad to the Panj Pyare, attending Granthi, and then to the sangat gathered for worship.
13. Jab tak Karaah Parshaad vartadaa rahae sadh sangat addol batthee rahae|
    Until Karaah Parshaad has been served to everyone, the congregation ought to be still and remain seated.
14. Anand viah binaa grahist nahee karnaa|
    Without Anand marriage ceremony carnal relations should not occur.
15. Par istree, ma bhain, dhee bhain, kar jaananee. Par istree da sang nahee karnaa|
    Other than your wedded wife, consider all women as your mothers and sisters. Do not indulge in carnal marital relationships with them. (Similarly for women, consider all men other than your husband)
16. Istree da mooh nahee phitkaarnaa|
    Do not subject your wife to cursing, or verbal abuse. (Similarly do not subject your husband to same if a woman)
17. Jagat jootth tambaakoo bikhiaa da tiaag karnaa|
    Discard worldly ways, falsehoods, and poisonous tobacco.
18. Rehitvaan atae naam jupan vaalae gursikhaa dee sangat karnee|
    Make companions of Gursikhs who follow the Rehit and recite the Divine Name.
19. Kum karan vich daridar nahee karnaa|
    Work hard and don't be lazy.
20. Gurbanee dee kathaa tae keertan roaz sunanaa atae karnaa|
    Take part in listening to Kirtan and discussions of the essence of Gurbani every day.
21. Kisae dee ninda, chugalee, atae eirkhaa nahee karnee|
    Do not gossip nor slander, or be spiteful to anyone.
22. Dhan, javaanee, tae kul jaat da abhiman naee karnaa (Nanak daadak tahe duae goath. Saak guroo Sikhan sang hoath)|
    Do not be proud of riches, youthfulness or lineage. (Regardless of maternal and paternal caste or heritage, all of the Guru's Sikhs are siblings of one family.)
23. Mat uchee tae suchee rakhnee|
    Maintain a high standard of purity in religious discipline.
24. Shubh karman tao kadae naa ttarnaa|
    Do not avoid performing virtuous acts.
25. Budh bal da daataa vaheguroo noo jaananaa|
    Appreciate intellect and power as gifts of the all knowing wondrous Enlightener.
26. Sugandh (kasam sahu) dae kar itbaar janaaoun vaalae tae yakeen nahee karnaa|
    Have no faith in oaths sworn by one attempting to convince another of sincerity.
27. Sutantar vicharna. Raaj Kaaj dian kamaan tae doosrae mutaa dia purshaan noo huk nahee daenaa|
    Maintain independent rule. In the affairs of governing, do not give the power of religious authority to those of other faiths.
28. Raajnitee parhnee|
    Study and learn about governmental policies.
29. Dushman naal saam, daam, bhaed, aadiak, upaa vartnae ate uprant udh karnaa|
    When dealing with enemies, practice diplomacy, employ a variety of tactics, and exhaust all techniques before engaging in warfare.
30. Shaster vidyaa atae ghorhae di savaari da abhiaas karnaa|
    Train in the skills of weaponry and horsemanship.
31. Doosrae mataa dae pustak, vidyaa parhnee. Pur bhrosaa drirh Gurbanee, Akaal Purakh tae karnaa|
    Study the books and beliefs of other faiths. But maintain trust in Gurbani and Akal Purakh [Undying divine personification].
32. Guroopdaesaa noo dhaaran karnaa|
    Follow the Guru teachings.
33. Raheraas da paath kar kharae ho kae ardaas karnee|
    After reciting Rehras [evening prayers], stand up and perform Ardas.
34. Saun valae sohilaa atae 'paun guru pani pita...' salok parhnaa|
    Recite the late evening prayer Sohila and the verse "Pavan guru pani pita..." before sleeping.
35. Dastaar binaa nahee rehnaa|
    Never be without the turban, wear it always. ________ Here is instruction for ALL. Never be without the turban!!!!
36. Singhaa da adhaa naam nahee bulaunaa|
    Address a Singh by their entire name including Singh [or Kaur], do not shorten it by half or call them nicknames.
37. Sharaab nai saevanee|
    Do not indulge in drinking alcoholic beverages.
38. Sir munae noo kanaiaa nahee daenee. Uos ghar daeve jithae Akal Purukh dee sikhee ha, jo karza-ai naa hovae, bhalae subhaa da hovae, bibaekee atae gyanvaan hovae|
    Do not given a daughter's hand in marriage to a shaven one. Give her to a household where the Undying divine personification Akal purakh and tenets of Sikhism are respected, to household without debt, of a pleasing nature, which is disciplined and educated. [similarly Sikh male must also marry a Sikh]
39. Subh kaaraj Gurbanee anusaar karnae|
    Maintain all business affairs in accordance with scripture.
40. Chugalee kar kisae da kam nahee vigaarnaa|
    Do not cause ruin by gossiping about other's business.
41. Kaurha bachan nahee kahinaa|
    Do not speak in bitterness.
42. Darshan yaatraa gurdwaaraa dee hee karnee|
    Make pilgrimages only for seeing Gurdwaras.
43. Bachan karkae paalnaa| Keep all promises made.
44. Pardaesee, lorvaan, dukhee, apung manukh dee yataahshkat seva karnee|
    Do as much possible to serve and aid foreigners, those in need, or in trouble.
45. Putaree da dhan bikh jananaa|
    Realize that considering a daughter as property is as poison.
46. Dikhaavae da Sikh nahee banana|
    Do not act a Sikh outwardly only for show.
47. Sikhi kesaa-suaasa sang nibhaaounee|
    Live and die a Sikh with hair intact and unshorn. _______ makes no reference to beard being tied or not tied
48. Chori, yaari, tthugi, dhokaa, dagaa bahee karnaa|
    Abstain from thievery, adultery, cheating, deception, swindling and pillaging.
49. Sikh da itbaar karnaa|
    Have confidence in a Sikh.
50. Jhutthi gavaahee nahee daenee|
    Do not make false statements.
51. Dhroh nahee karnaa|
    Do not participate in fraud.
52. Langar Parshaad ik ras vartaaunaa|
    Serve langar and prashad with impartiality."

[Rock]

22 minutes ago, Guest said:

Guru Gobind Singh Ji would rather Singhs be safe at work

true

23 minutes ago, Guest said:

Sir munae noo kanaiaa nahee daenee. Uos ghar daeve jithae Akal Purukh dee sikhee ha, jo karza-ai naa hovae, bhalae subhaa da hovae, bibaekee atae gyanvaan hovae|
Do not given a daughter's hand in marriage to a shaven one. Give her to a household where the Undying divine personification Akal purakh and tenets of Sikhism are respected, to household without debt, of a pleasing nature, which is disciplined and educated. [similarly Sikh male must also marry a Sikh]

good. this will solve many problems.

 

39 minutes ago, Guest said:

So what will you see? A small bit of leg at the bottom? Anyone who lives in west sees more than that on a daily basis especially in Summer!

haha men have loose kacheras these days.

[chatanga1]

5 hours ago, CdnSikhGirl said:

 I should be as Gurpreet Bhenji put it, home washing dishes, cooking having a boatload of babies and caring for my husband.

@GurpreetKaur Bhen Ji why would you say such a thing?

 

5 hours ago, Guest said:

Pertinent or impertinent, uniform is uniform!!! 

Mr Guest, I take it you are not used to people agreeing with you?

 

3 hours ago, amardeep said:

"Wearing of Gold ornaments is forbidden"

 

why so? (not that I wear any myself)

There is a line in Slok Mahala 9 that says "look on iron and gold as alike", meaning gold is nothing special.

There are 2 sakhis concerning Guru Gobind Singh and jewels. Once when Guru Sahib was a young boy he threw two gold bangles in the Satluj, and in Nander threw an Emerald gifted by Bahadur Shah into the Godavri.

1 hour ago, Guest said:

But I think Chatanga was speaking about all persons wanting to receive amrit. The males must also remove their bottom and have just kacheras.

 

Yes for people recieving amrit. The men have to have their kasheras visible, whilst women only confirm they are wearing them to the Panj Pyarey.`

[paapiman]

1 hour ago, Guest said:

 Though it says tying a turban is a must (and supports Singhnis tying them as well) it makes no reference to beard being tied as being wrong, and I am sure Guru Gobind Singh Ji would rather Singhs be safe at work having it tied around moving machinery and such, or in food industry where stray hairs can make their way into food of customers then it becomes hygiene issue.

Exceptional circumstances cannot be used to change rules. People who work in food industry or near machinery should tie their beards, but one cannot change rules based on that. Some medications contain alcohol. Just because one has to take that mediation to recover from an illness, does not make alcohol legit.

 

1 hour ago, Guest said:

These are all 52 Hukams from Tenth Master.

 

In addition to the 52 Hukams, there are many more hukams of Maharaaj. 52 Hukams are not the only sole orders of the Almighty Waheguru.

 

1 hour ago, Guest said:

The reason piercings are prohibited has to do with the history of slavery and the fact that slaves were marked by piercings. Outside of that, jewelry is not an issue.

Even the Gurus themselves are depictied as wearing ornate kalgis, broaches and such. 

Slavery is not the only reason for prohibition.

Gold jewelry is definitely prohibited. 

Do not compare yourself with Maharaaj. Maharaaj can give give liberation to millions, can you do it?

 

Anyways, we are going off-topic. Gurparsaad, some of these issues will be discussed in other topics.

 

Bhul chuk maaf

[paapiman]

1 hour ago, Guest said:

But yes, in Sikhi women and men are equal and given equal rights by our Gurus.

Optimum rights are given to all beings, by the Almighty Waheguru.

 

Bhul chuk maaf

[paapiman]

On 3/22/2016 at 10:17 AM, Guest said:

 And since heads must be covered at all times, chunni is not possible for anything involving physical acticity.

Sikh women can wear Patkas to make sure that their heads are covered most of the times. They don't need to tie turbans.

There is absolutely no obligation for Sikh women to wear turbans/keskis. Keski is not a Kakkar.

 

Bhul chuk maaf

[paapiman]

1 hour ago, Guest said:

 

Please become a registered member and we can discuss further.

Thanks

 

Bhul chuk maaf

[Guest]

The unpar pendhoo aunty jis who class themselves as amritharys will never volunteer to show their legs in front of the recipients of amrit as members of the 5 beloved!  In fact, people never see them wear a pug in the first place, any suggestion to do so would be an anathema to these lot.  They are only good enough for larrayee, jagreys and choogliyaans.  Just big mouths and trouble makers.   No brains when it comes to interpreting Sikhi.  Majority have never even heard of the 52 hukams let alone read them.  They have no clue as to the definition of gender equality and women's liberation bestowed by the gurus.  If they did, they would have questioned as to why there never ain't any women among the 5 beloveds at an amrit ceremony.   We men have kept them ignorant of all this so to stop them posing any threat to us.  Because of this look how far Sikhism has progressed.  The world doesn't even know who Sikhs are. 

[das]

1 hour ago, Guest said:

The world doesn't even know who Sikhs are.

Forget about the "Sikhs" and the "World"; do we know who we (human) are? We are NOT 2 legs, 2 arms, 10 Indriyas etc.......we're something else, have we found out that? There is just One thing in us which could spell disaster but at the same time, the same thing could be utilized to get the inner knowledge and eventually with the Grace one could find the way out.......

Any knowledge in this world is borrowed knowledge unless it is coming from inner-self.

Saying and practically having that feeling are entirely different things.....e.g there is a story like this: Once a person goes to a Wiseman and asks how could he take care of his ox while he was meditating in cave, the Saint replied that if you're meditating then don't worry about the ox; just concentrate on your meditation. But the seeker insisted, to which the Wiseman said, okay when you're meditating concentrate on your ox...........the person did that and didn't come out of the cave for very long and thus his relatives started for searching him. They spotted him in a cave and asked him to return. The person said that I cannot come out because my horns are big and therefore  cannot pass from the narrow entrance of the cave!!!!!

This is the power of feeling and concentration, so be very cautious where you put it. It's not something that could be wasted.

[Guest]

28 minutes ago, das said:

Forget about the "Sikhs" and the "World"; do we know who we (human) are? We are NOT 2 legs, 2 arms, 10 Indriyas etc.......we're something else, have we found out that? There is just One thing in us which could spell disaster but at the same time, the same thing could be utilized to get the inner knowledge and eventually with the Grace one could find the way out.......

Any knowledge in this world is borrowed knowledge unless it is coming from inner-self.

Saying and practically having that feeling are entirely different things.....e.g there is a story like this: Once a person goes to a Wiseman and asks how could he take care of his ox while he was meditating in cave, the Saint replied that if you're meditating then don't worry about the ox; just concentrate on your meditation. But the seeker insisted, to which the Wiseman said, okay when you're meditating concentrate on your ox...........the person did that and didn't come out of the cave for very long and thus his relatives started for searching him. They spotted him in a cave and asked him to return. The person said that I cannot come out because my horns are big and therefore  cannot pass from the narrow entrance of the cave!!!!!

This is the power of feeling and concentration, so be very cautious where you put it. It's not something that could be wasted.

I agree.

[Kaalka]

Benta to admin Saab

please delete/lock this pointless thread.

[Guest]

paapiman veerji, you seem to always hold to any hukams of the tenth master, in fact you use hukams outside of Guru Ji's 52 hukams to say that males should never have tie beards. How do you reconcile then hukam 35 in Guru Ji's 52 hukams which states that one is to NEVER be without a turban and to wear it always?  There is no qualifier there to say it is only directed at males. It simply says never be without a turban, wear it always. So how can you preach that a hukam that was not in Guru Ji's 52 hukams (which are the culmination of his hukamnamas) yet you are saying Singhnis can ignore this hukam which IS in Guru Ji's 52 hukams, to never be without a turban?

How do you explain that Taksal maryada and Nihang maryadas BOTH state that Singhnis are supposed to tie turbans? How do you explain that rhetnama of Bhai Daya Singh Ji also specifically states that women too are to tie turbans?

You think women should be ignoring hukam of tenth master to avoid tying turban? Even when it is reiterated in historical rhetnamas AND rehet maryadas of several sampardas which trace back to tenth master??

You seem to be picking and choosing which rules to follow based on what you like or dont like.

[Guest]

2 hours ago, Guest said:

 Majority have never even heard of the 52 hukams let alone read them.  They have no clue as to the definition of gender equality and women's liberation bestowed by the gurus.  If they did, they would have questioned as to why there never ain't any women among the 5 beloveds at an amrit ceremony.   We men have kept them ignorant of all this so to stop them posing any threat to us.

The problem is many of us STILL to this day do not want to follow gurbani which says all are equal. Because of OUR human corrupted minds, we want to keep women under our thumbs and under our rule. We cant stand to vision a woman standing by our side and having equal say and authority in situations. We want to always keep control away from them. Even the best meaning of us, find situations where we want to be the one in control and expect them to follow behind us as if we are in charge over them. But we need to see there is a difference between protecting someone if needed, and exercising authority over them. Nobody has intrinsic right to have authority over someone else except in a few cases: children because they can not make mature decisions for themselves, and situations where we choose to put ourselves in a subordinate position for employment etc. And in that case we are receiving pay as recompense. But where gender is concerned, both are adults and both have fully matured minds. There is no reason to say that males intrinsically have more authority than females.

Yes, women can just as easily become panj pyaras. There is no restriction. The only ones who think so are stuck in brahmin mindset thinking women are inferior. The seva of administering amrit has nothing to do with what lies between someones legs. It has to do with gian, and being high avastha. Its a seva that requires a high soul, not a body.  We will see more women, when women start demanding it. Men in power will never willingly give up their advantages over others. It will take those beneath them to demand their equal place. So part of the problem is women are too passive and many these days have simply lost interest in Sikhi as a spiritual path (and this most likely happened BECAUSE of the above! If they feel there is nothing for them, no positions to aspire to etc then why stay interested?) Now most women go to the gurdwara to gossip, and its only a social gathering. They show up in all kinds of jewelry and wearing bindis even!

Tying turbans might not seem like a huge thing, but all of the turban wearing Kaurs I know, are serious about their spirituality! Its a step to acheiving equality. They dont want to be seen as tarts dressing up in fashion and such.  They want to focus instead on spirituality. These Kaurs will be the ones who demand their rightful place beside Singhs including seva as Panj Pyaras! But it wont happen over night.

[Rock]

4 minutes ago, Kaalka said:

^ This is the kind of bullshit that has fuelled my views.

This is my last post - unlike that fat, transsexual, fuckin admin cut, male-looking gender confused Satkirin or whatever that ugly thing's name is.

Peace out motherfuckers.

Big shoutout to all those like-minded enlightened people!

DGN 

You need Jesus.  You are seriously psychotic.

[Rock]

5 minutes ago, Kaalka said:

^ This is the kind of bullshit that has fuelled my views.This is my last post - unlike that fat, transsexual, fuckin admin cut, male-looking gender confused Satkirin or whatever that ugly thing's name is.Peace out motherfuckers.Big shoutout to all those like-minded enlightened people!DGN 

There is no need for name calling. If Mods don't do anything about this then this platform seriously sucks .

And you definitely need anger management.  And get rid of the bindi on your forehead it is really annoying.

3 minutes ago, Rock said:

Big shoutout to all those like-minded enlightened people!

There are no enlightened motherfuckers out here. lol .

[Rock]

Btw I can bet 20 bucks that Kaalka himself or herself does not wear a turban.

[Koi]

21 minutes ago, Kaalka said:

^ This is the kind of bullshit that has fuelled my views.

This is my last post - unlike that fat, transsexual, fuckin admin cut, male-looking gender confused Satkirin or whatever that ugly thing's name is.

Peace out motherfuckers.

Big shoutout to all those like-minded enlightened people!

DGN 

Get the hell off this forum you sick twisted inbred retard!!!! We don't need more narrow minded twats like you!!!! You wanna look down on your sisters, your damn choice. But don't you dare spew your poisonous dim-witted filthy bull crap and expect the rest of us to follow suit!!!

[Guest]

1 hour ago, Guest said:

 The problem is many of us STILL to this day do not want to follow gurbani which says all are equal. Because of OUR human corrupted minds, we want to keep women under our thumbs and under our rule. We cant stand to vision a woman standing by our side and having equal say and authority in situations. We want to always keep control away from them. Even the best meaning of us, find situations where we want to be the one in control and expect them to follow behind us as if we are in charge over them. But we need to see there is a difference between protecting someone if needed, and exercising authority over them. Nobody has intrinsic right to have authority over someone else except in a few cases: children because they can not make mature decisions for themselves, and situations where we choose to put ourselves in a subordinate position for employment etc. And in that case we are receiving pay as recompense. But where gender is concerned, both are adults and both have fully matured minds. There is no reason to say that males intrinsically have more authority than females.

Yes, women can just as easily become panj pyaras. There is no restriction. The only ones who think so are stuck in brahmin mindset thinking women are inferior. The seva of administering amrit has nothing to do with what lies between someones legs. It has to do with gian, and being high avastha. Its a seva that requires a high soul, not a body.  We will see more women, when women start demanding it. Men in power will never willingly give up their advantages over others. It will take those beneath them to demand their equal place. So part of the problem is women are too passive and many these days have simply lost interest in Sikhi as a spiritual path (and this most likely happened BECAUSE of the above! If they feel there is nothing for them, no positions to aspire to etc then why stay interested?) Now most women go to the gurdwara to gossip, and its only a social gathering. They show up in all kinds of jewelry and wearing bindis even!

Tying turbans might not seem like a huge thing, but all of the turban wearing Kaurs I know, are serious about their spirituality! Its a step to acheiving equality. They dont want to be seen as tarts dressing up in fashion and such.  They want to focus instead on spirituality. These Kaurs will be the ones who demand their rightful place beside Singhs including seva as Panj Pyaras! But it wont happen over night.

I agree with every single word of yours.  You have really hit the nail on its head.  Thank you for your much wanted/awaited  long time overdue comments.  I salute all the Singhnees\Kaurs for following this spiritual path and sticking to its requirements.  Honestly, this is a Gift from our Gurus to us and we should follow it whole heartedly and not compromise any of its tenets ever.  Well done. I salute you too for the clarity your message contains.  I hope and sincerely pray for every Sikh woman to wake up and nurture this wonderful Gift the Gurus have bestowed upon us.

[Harjots8963]

Lol....

What is the forum turning to haha... 

[CdnSikhGirl]

Anyone else get a feeling that Kaalka is really either Crystal or Chatanga?  In fact, Crystal has actually called me transsexual before if anyone remembers...

Anyway water off a duck's back :D Kaalka I told you, perseverance. And though some members have differing opinions than me on some things, turban tying women is NOT one of them. 

Admins, though I am not bothered by such things, and it only shows his immaturity (and it shows his frustration that he was not able to push his point and have everyone agree with him so he just lashed out because he's ticked off) I think that some amount of moderation should ensue because for one there are maybe young people coming here, and two that type of behaviour is most definitely not becoming of a Singh (or Kaur).

[Rock]

@CdnSikhGirl  I don't think kaalka is Chatanga.  Chatanga likes to pull your leg but he is not disrespectful.   I think he is samurai who started a similar backlash in another thread. or maybe crystal.

But I want to win 20 bucks. I am pretty sure he does not wear a turban.

This forum has seriously turned into a joke.