Should you take the vaccine?

[paapiman]

1 hour ago, Kaur10 said:

@sevak I am a pharmacist,  read lots of research papers for Covid virus and this vaccine. 

World's top scientists,  doctors,  researchers,  data analysts and so on are all working on the same topic.  I am bit tired now,  but would surely get back to you.  

Not trying to prove someone wrong,  but actively trying to persuade people to have it. There is so much crap in the media against this vaccine, it's not your fault.  

Have you heard of Dr. Robert Malone?

Thanks

@sevak

 

Bhul chuk maaf

[dalsingh101]

1 hour ago, Kaur10 said:

@sevak I am a pharmacist,  read lots of research papers for Covid virus and this vaccine. 

World's top scientists,  doctors,  researchers,  data analysts and so on are all working on the same topic.  I am bit tired now,  but would surely get back to you.  

Not trying to prove someone wrong,  but actively trying to persuade people to have it. There is so much crap in the media against this vaccine, it's not your fault.  

I think also it's because right now a lot of ethnic people don't trust goray, and wouldn't put any nefarious scheme beyond them. 

[GurjantGnostic]

10 minutes ago, dalsingh101 said:

I think also it's because right now a lot of ethnic people don't trust goray, and wouldn't put any nefarious scheme beyond them. 

Yeah because no nefarious scheme is beyond them. Lol. 

[sevak]

2 hours ago, Kaur10 said:

@sevak I am a pharmacist,  read lots of research papers for Covid virus and this vaccine. 

World's top scientists,  doctors,  researchers,  data analysts and so on are all working on the same topic.  I am bit tired now.  

 

Please take rest. We must not forget that Pharma is a big "B" , geared towards profits. Most of these top doctors / scientists are paid heavy sums to promote pharmaceutical drugs. There is homeopathy, ayurveda, chinese medicines, yoga but these have been sidelined because there is no money to be made out of these. Doctors in Canada get commission each time they prescribe a drug to a patient. Its business.

[sevak]

1 hour ago, dalsingh101 said:

I think also it's because right now a lot of ethnic people don't trust goray, and wouldn't put any nefarious scheme beyond them. 

Here in Canada, a lot of ethnic people think that goray is some Super-God.

[Premi]

9 hours ago, dalsingh101 said:

I think also it's because right now a lot of ethnic people don't trust goray, and wouldn't put any nefarious scheme beyond them. 

Maybe, but I just would not trust anyone generally, unless I have first hand experience in that field. 

[dalsingh101]

8 hours ago, sevak said:

Here in Canada, a lot of ethnic people think that goray is some Super-God.

Deeply rooted inferiority complexes stemming from colonialism? 

[paapiman]

23 hours ago, sevak said:

Here in Canada, a lot of ethnic people think that goray is some Super-God.

lol. Are you serious or joking?

 

Bhul chuk maaf

[sevak]

3 hours ago, paapiman said:

lol. Are you serious or joking?

 

Bhul chuk maaf

Im serious. 

[dalsingh101]

12 hours ago, paapiman said:

lol. Are you serious or joking?

 

Bhul chuk maaf

What, you've never seen this?

[sevak]

https://news-block.com/cardiologist-who-said-he-wont-cry-at-funeral-for-unvaccinated-selfish-people-suddenly-dies-in-his-sleep-2-weeks-after-third-covid-vaccine/

[GurjantGnostic]

2 hours ago, sevak said:

https://news-block.com/cardiologist-who-said-he-wont-cry-at-funeral-for-unvaccinated-selfish-people-suddenly-dies-in-his-sleep-2-weeks-after-third-covid-vaccine/

Whelp...not gonna shed any tears...

[Premi]

On 10/17/2021 at 6:11 PM, sevak said:

The 2nd dose of pfizer will be injected into *this* body of daas in the coming weeks/months (as per Hukam of Waheguru)

Corona is ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂ  Hukam. 

Vaccine is ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂ  Hukam. 

The Pro-Vaccine people are spreading fear of death from Corona & The Anti-Vaxxers are spreading fear of vaccine side-effects.

Aad Aneel Anaad Anahat Jug Jug Eko Vays 

Jee, speak for yourself

[Premi]

only one extra death per 100,000 unvaccinated compared to vaccinated 

[Premi]

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/jan/08/nhs-doctor-challenges-sajid-javid-over-covid-vaccination-rules

Unvaccinated NHS doctor challenges Sajid Javid over compulsory Covid jabs

Health secretary exchanges views with medic who says he has had the virus and does not want the jab

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Steve James (pictured) a consultant at King’s College hospital in London, talking with the health secretary, Sajid Javid. Photograph: Stefan Rousseau/PA

 

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An NHS doctor has challenged Sajid Javid over compulsory vaccines for healthcare workers, telling the health secretary: “I’ve not had a vaccination; I don’t want to have a vaccination.”

The scene, which was caught by Sky News cameras, was first broadcast on Friday after Javid visited King’s College hospital in south London. It has been shared extensively on social media by both critics and supporters of vaccine mandates.

 

Consultant anaesthetist challenges Sajid Javid over compulsory vaccines for NHS staff

The government has decided that all NHS staff in England who have direct contact with patients must have had their first dose of a Covid vaccine by 3 February or risk losing their job at the end of March. On Friday, trade union leaders urged the government to delay the new rule, or risk an exodus of thousands of healthcare workers.

While on a walkabout at King’s on Friday, Javid had asked doctors and nurses what they thought about government plans to require vaccination for all NHS staff. After a brief silence, Steve James, a consultant anaesthetist who has been working throughout the pandemic, replied: “I’m not happy about that.”

James told Javid: “I’ve had Covid at some point, I’ve got antibodies, and I’ve been working on Covid ITUs since the beginning; I have not had a vaccination, I do not want to have a vaccination. The vaccine is reducing transmission only for about eight weeks with Delta. With Omicron it’s probably less. And for that I would be dismissed if I don’t have a vaccine? The science isn’t strong enough.”

 

“That’s your view,” Javid replied. Turning to a group of nurses he added: “And your views?” However, they did not respond.

Turning back to James, Javid continued: “I respect that but there are also many different views.”

Javid added: “I understand that but obviously we have to weigh all that up for both health and social care and there will always be a debate about it … ”

James replied: “Maybe there is an opportunity to reconsider with Omicron and the changing picture, or at least the nuance that will allow doctors who have had antibody exposure, who’ve got antibodies, who haven’t had the vaccination, to not have it, because the protection I’ve got is probably equivalent to someone who is vaccinated.”

“Yes, but at some point that will wane,” Javid said.

James said: “But if you want to provide protection with a booster you’d have to inject everybody every month. If the protection has worn off for transmission after two months then after a month you’ve still got a bit of protection. But if you want to maintain protection you’re going to need to boost all staff members every single month, which you’re not going to do.”

Javid answered his challenge by saying: “We take the very best advice that we can, from vaccine experts.”

Half a day after the video was published on Twitter, it had been watched about 1.2m times.

[Kaur10]

It's very true that vaccine would protect for short period of time and against specific mutations only. We would need another dose as soon as that time period is over or the virus get mutated, same like winter flu virus vaccine.  

Benefit of vaccine is to protect vulnerable population because their immune system is not strong enough to build enough antibodies to protect them.  Covid vaccine was widely given to all population because of the uncertainty of this new covid-19 virus strain as scientists couldn't predict future damage because of the lack of scientific data.  All this vaccine does is to help our body build up our immune system.  There are many examples so far to prove that healthy people have died with no medical history, just because their body could not cope with the actual covid attack. 

Now the virus strain is getting milder resulting in less hopitalisations, then it may be safe not to have the vaccine. Just imagine,  what would happen if this virus got mutated with ebola or HIV.

World is heading towards downhill,  its kalyug. Let's pray that we do good deeds,  deposit some naam kamai in our bank balance before leaving this world. 

[GurjantGnostic]

38 minutes ago, Kaur10 said:

There are many examples so far to prove that healthy people have died with no medical history, just because their body could not cope with the actual covid attack. 

What about all these otherwise healthy people just falling out dead? After getting vaxed? Like drs in good condition and professional athletes?

[GurjantGnostic]

And Dr Dude says it would take monthly shots, to provide any benefit. 

[dalsingh101]

This Omicron mutation was a minor. I'm pretty sure I caught it. 

But these lot (the government), have people running around getting boosters for it. I don't think that was needed for this one. 

[Kaur10]

46 minutes ago, dalsingh101 said:

. I don't think that was needed for this one. 

It was more precautionary step to avoid lockdown and hospitalizations.  

[Kaur10]

6 hours ago, GurjantGnostic said:

And Dr Dude says it would take monthly shots, to provide any benefit.

Sorry i haven't listen to this video, just know briefly what happened .

It takes about 10 to 14 days to build up immunity and it would be enough for particular strain for some time period ( may be up to 3 to 6 months). But this all varies among population based on our genetics,  medical conditions,  environment etc. 

 

[Kaur10]

6 hours ago, GurjantGnostic said:

What about all these otherwise healthy people just falling out dead? After getting vaxed? Like drs in good condition and professional athletes?

I understand the above as people having severe reaction after having vaccine and end up dying,  am i correct? 

It could happen with any medicine or a chemical.  We could not predict how our body would respond inside despite knowing that it was fine with all the medicines since birth. Medics do ask for allergies,  previous side effects after vaccines,  medical conditions, current medicines etc to predict patient's chances of having an adverse effect. People have died after using hair colour or using skin creams too.

We have one young staff member who is severely allergic to many things, keeps epipen all the time,  avoid eating many food and all staff are trained for his medical condition. Once called ambulance too because he was showing concerning signs.  he had his all his three vaccines in hospital under team of special doctors supervision because of his medical condition.  No general trained vaccinator could take such risk and end up performing CPR and then dealing with paramedics. 

When the life has to end,  it just needs a reason or sometimes people pass away while sleeping without any reason too. 

I am not trying to convey anything here,    just sharing my personal views based on our medical training.  

Bhul chuk maaf

[GurjantGnostic]

5 minutes ago, Kaur10 said:

I understand the above as people having severe reaction after having vaccine and end up dying,  am i correct? 

It could happen with any medicine or a chemical.  We could not predict how our body would respond inside despite knowing that it was fine with all the medicines since birth. Medics do ask for allergies,  previous side effects after vaccines,  medical conditions, current medicines etc to predict patient's chances of having an adverse effect. People have died after using hair colour or using skin creams too.

We have one young staff member who is severely allergic to many things, keeps epipen all the time,  avoid eating many food and all staff are trained for his medical condition. Once called ambulance too because he was showing concerning signs.  he had his all his three vaccines in hospital under team of special doctors supervision because of his medical condition.  No general trained vaccinator could take such risk and end up performing CPR and then dealing with paramedics. 

When the life has to end,  it just needs a reason or sometimes people pass away while sleeping without any reason too. 

I am not trying to convey anything here,    just sharing my personal views based on our medical training.  

Bhul chuk maaf

Sounds like a risk that should be optional. 

[GurjantGnostic]

22 minutes ago, Kaur10 said:

Sorry i haven't listen to this video, just know briefly what happened .

It takes about 10 to 14 days to build up immunity and it would be enough for particular strain for some time period ( may be up to 3 to 6 months). But this all varies among population based on our genetics,  medical conditions,  environment etc. 

 

Sounds like a great option for immuno supressed people who like shots. Thank you for the feedback sincerely. 

[Premi]

8 hours ago, Kaur10 said:

 

Just imagine,  what would happen if this virus got mutated with ebola or HIV.

World is heading towards downhill,  its kalyug. Let's pray that we do good deeds,  deposit some naam kamai in our bank balance before leaving this world. 

I don't think the  virus can 'get mutated with ebola or HIV' - they are separate viruses. Viruses have to enter our cells first to be able  to  work

How is the virus related to  Kalyug ? There have been far more serious 'pandemics' etc in the past, and conditions like HIV are probably more 'kajugi'. Although I agree we should all jap Naam