Met Police kicked out of Singh Sabha in Southall.

[dalsingh101]

 

 

[GurjantGnostic]

3 hours ago, dalsingh101 said:

 

 

Don't let the door hit ya, where the good Lord split ya. 

[chatanga1]

The Sikh Federation relased this on Twitter, of how an indian poilce officer in the MET was gathering intel on a Sikh protest in London.

[dalsingh101]

https://www.unsaiddigital.com/tensions-rising-as-uk-police-and-sikh-activists-continue-to-clash/

 

Tensions rising as UK police and Sikh activists continue to clash

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Posted On March 1, 2022

The Sikh community’s tensions with the UK police seem to not be getting any better as in recent days a recruitment stall set up by the authorities in a gurdwara was removed by Sikh activists.

The activists recognised an officer who infiltrated at the West Midlands 3 protest In September 2021 and was seen taking pictures of the protest coordinators and filming key players who were assisting.

On the day he was approached and confronted by activists and he denied being a police officer, now, in recent days he’s been seen in uniform at a West London gurdwara with other officers attempting to recruit Sikhs to the police force.

He was then met by activists and asked to leave.

The police ban in Sikh spaces, by Sikh activists and major senior Sikh orgs, came after the 2018 raids by UK Police on 5 Sikh activists’ homes.

This was in relation to investigations on Jagtar Singh Johal – the information and activities of the raids were highly publicised in the Indian media as they stated it was due to diplomatic pressure put onto UK authorities by the Indian state.

Since the banning a long list of incidents have occurred as tensions seem to keep rising and ongoing court cases and police arrests continue to happen due to the work of some Sikh activists within the community.

We reached out to some key figures in the community to help get a better understanding of these issues.

Gurmel Singh, Supreme Sikh Council UK, said:

“Following the raids on the houses of the five activists and the extradition attempt of another three activists a perception evolved in the Sikh community that due to pressure from
a foreign government particular individuals are being targeted.

“This was exasperated by the misplaced and unnecessary comments by the Home Secretary in US last November.

“Whilst there is a constructive structure with the MET that allows community concerns the same cannot be said about the West Midlands Police and some other forces.

“We will be organising a meeting of Gurdwaras, key organisation and activists to resolve the issues and work toward rebuilding the trust.”

 

Deepa Singh, Sikh Youth UK, said: “The issues with UK police targeting Sikh activists continue as they have attempted to extradite Sikhs, illegally raided our homes, given false intelligence to Indian authorities of innocent activists like Jaggi, harassed and Interrogated our families, stopped and detained us at UK border stops under schedule 7 acts, racially assaulted and abused in custody, put onto government prevent schemes to disrupt our activism, disrupted our funds, silenced our voices on media and continuously harassed Sikhs in the community who speak up.

“This issue isn’t getting any better for them and Sikh activists and orgs across the country are asking us to call for a permanent national banning on them as they continue to upset the grassroots core Sikh activists in UK.”

Mankamal Singh, Sikh Network, mentioned:

“Mistrust of the Police by many UK Sikh community groups goes as far back as the 1970s, driven by bias treatment and miscarriages of justice stemming back to the societal and institutional racism of that era. The precursor of the Sikh community groups came in the form of large community campaigns, ‘defence’ groups and youth movements set up to protect the community from violent racist attacks and the lack of confidence in the police, who themselves were often seen as sympathisers of the attackers.

“From the 1980s onwards, British policing has at times been perceived as an instrument for criminalising Sikh issues at the behest of the warm relationship between the UK and Indian governments. In certain instances, it has been felt that the Indian government has been able to utilise some of the UK Police forces to directly target and arrest the Sikh community activists in the UK who speak up against the Indian state.

“Over the past decade, that perception has crystallised with the case of the West Midlands 3 and the theatrical police raids on known Sikh activists’ homes, seen to be used to perpetuate and sensationalise reporting in the Indian media.”

Shamsher singh, NSYF, added:

“Since the 1980s the UK establishment have used their police and military to target Sikhs and support Indian genocide. India uses narratives of “extremism/terrorism” to justify killings of Sikhs, when the UK police uses these narratives they have taken the side of India. We mistrust the police because we know what their role has always been, to target and silence Sikh resistance to gain the economic favour of India.

“Most recently in Jaggi’s case his MP made the claim that the UK is not acting because of trade deals, just like in the 1980s the UK supported the invasion of Sri Darbar Sahib to secure helicopter sales. Trusting the UK and it’s police is a naive thing to do.”

Here at Unsaid Digital we would like to always be a voice for the Sikh community and state that spies have even been infiltrating the Sikh community In Germany where they have been convicted of infiltration and entrapment against the Sikh community.

This isn’t anything new but seems to be an issue that neither side in the UK will back down from, we hope that our community  will start being treated better by UK authorities, and that activists can continue to raise issues of concern that affect us.

[Premi]

 

 

[GurjantGnostic]

Shine them shoes. 

[dalsingh101]

[GurjantGnostic]

34 minutes ago, dalsingh101 said:

Both our men and women trying to attract a white man? Lol. 

Don't kill me massa. I'll do and say whatever you want. Blink blink blink. 

[dalsingh101]

27 minutes ago, GurjantGnostic said:

Both our men and women trying to attract a white man? Lol. 

Don't kill me massa. I'll do and say whatever you want. Blink blink blink. 

Ok bro. Calm down now. You made your point. 

On 4/16/2022 at 2:05 PM, Premi said:

 

 

@Premi

Why don't you post that on SS, so people like proactive can know that there is a failure in the 'biraderi' to communicate and coordinate between east and west London? 

[Soulfinder]

Interesting as the same police officers came to Barking Gurdwara on vaisakhi divas and there was no trouble at all during my vist 

[Premi]

2 hours ago, dalsingh101 said:

Ok bro. Calm down now. You made your point. 

@Premi

Why don't you post that on SS, so people like proactive can know that there is a failure in the 'biraderi' to communicate and coordinate between east and west London? 

I won't be posting there or here beyond today for foreseeable. Will be reading from afar. Realised I have spent too much time online and need to cut down my screen time and social media use. 

Maybe you could put post the tweet on SS. 

I'm quite sure having read through @tonyhp32's posts that it is proactive. Writing style and themes of posts, as well as the exchanges with you, are similar to what I have seen on SS, lol . Surprised you didn't realise ?

@dalsingh101 - thanks again for all your work. Have learned especially a lot from you and @GurjantGnostic here and on SS. Sounds a little 'sad' but you've both filled in a lot of gaps and changed my mentality and approach to worldly and 'street' issues for the better (which I would have been even more naive about)

 

 

Edited April 17, 2022 by Premi

[dalsingh101]

1 minute ago, Premi said:

I won't be posting there or here beyond today for foreseeable. Will be reading from afar

Maybe you could put post the tweet on SS. 

 

 

Why the fear? 

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Btw, proactive is the former poster here, @tonyhp32 , right ?

No idea, but it would make sense. Both were backwards casteists.  What makes you think that btw? 

[Premi]

@dalsingh101

Please listen if you have not, have timestamped where to start...Mal Singh makes a case about Sikhs should be more diplomatic when dealing with the police to ensure good will, rather than some of the more aggressive/attacking behaviour by Sikhs in recent years. I think he has some good points

 

 

[dalsingh101]

I don't agree with Mal Singh at all in many respects. I think there are less kuttarhs now than before. Plus, I think there is no point in an amritdhari having a kirpan, if they aren't willing to use it when required. You might as well ban the kirpan, it would make no difference because most of the people wearing them, don't use them to protect the panth, which was the whole point - not some post-colonial symbolic nonsense.   I don't know who is forcing people to do nitnem either myself? If anyone is doing this, I'm sure they are in a tiny minority. But it probably says more about the people who stick with or are attracted to these abusive people anyway. Just move away from them. 

As for kicking pigs out of Gurdwaras and Sikh celebrations in parks. I think Mal Singh is confused as hell. The police turn up regardless  - for recruitment purposes. What people need to understand is: that itself is a continuation of  the forced relationship between Sikhs and the anglos from the colonial period- these mfs have been infiltrating Sikh spaces since pre-colonisation (to prepare for their attack). Kicking them out of Sikh spaces is so important on so many levels. Anyone who doesn't understand this, doesn't know the 'game' in my eyes, and hasn't learnt from history. The way goray tricked hordes of pendu apnay into joining their colonial forces to do their dirty work, is a reflection of their modern recruitment drives objective.  The taliban beat the united forces and resources of the west, and a big part of that was down to minimising and even ruthlessly eliminating perceived collaborators. Look at how even the pro-west afghan translators were sh1tting themselves when the goray bailed out and deserted them. Look at how many police and army recruitment lines the taliban sacrificed soldiers blowing up.    

It's not about 'playing the game', it's about smashing and breaking down the games being played against us. 

One thing I agree with him though, is our lot being able to make discreet ninja moves, but we shouldn't be counting on outsiders to do this. We should have a lot of capability for this ourselves, and build it, encourage it, foster it.  Whether this be against petty pakistani grooming gangs in the UK or even for revenge or rescue missions for say Sikh women who have been abducted and converted abroad.  

This brother is entitled to his opinion, especially if he used to be a soldier as he claims, but I don't remotely agree with him here.  If anything I think apnay haven't gone nearly far enough to send the message to the gora establishment that they shouldn't be barking up our tree, when they've just used and abused us since we met them.  

[GurjantGnostic]

Kissing cops boots never helped the black man. Just gets your neck knelt on. 

I'd ally with police who are revolutionaries and true to the profession but I've never met one.