SIKH STRUGGLES 2022 | Sikh Youth UK 6th Annual Magazine Published on Mar 25, 2022

[dalsingh101]

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[dalsingh101]

Bump - have a read of this if you haven't already - while you can. People on the forum should know that the UK government likes to make stuff like this disappear to silence our voices. 

[Sajjan_Thug]

On 8/13/2022 at 10:19 AM, dalsingh101 said:

Bump - have a read of this if you haven't already - while you can. People on the forum should know that the UK government likes to make stuff like this disappear to silence our voices. 

Why do apneys always have this loser mentality and blame their opponents for being better then them?

The government can do all they want but what is our response?  Is the government afraid of OUR response or are we afraid of the government?

In a game you can't blame your opponents for striking you out and defeating you.  You have to make your team better(apneys).

Where are all the puratan sampradays and babas when you need them and what are their responses to all this?
 

[dalsingh101]

1 hour ago, Sajjan_Thug said:

Why do apneys always have this loser mentality and blame their opponents for being better then them?

The government can do all they want but what is our response?  Is the government afraid of OUR response or are we afraid of the government?

In a game you can't blame your opponents for striking you out and defeating you.  You have to make your team better(apneys).

Where are all the puratan sampradays and babas when you need them and what are their responses to all this?
 

I think there is something wrong with your brain. Every last post of yours seems to end with finger pointing at sampardayas. In some cases, relating to certain areas, you might have a point, but when it gets to the point of blaming them for the activities of foreign governments and their agencies like the police, it seems like you've completely lost the plot.

 

Plus you're wrong, despite all of their resources and efforts to deceive and obfuscate, and all of their harassment, lies and outright support of forces inimical to Sikhs - some of us Sikhs in england have still managed to thwart their agenda and warn and protect our community here, as well as give a heads up to other diaspora communities too. 

Maybe, instead of just looking at sampardayas (which is a valid thing to do, don't get me wrong) - how about taking a look at yourself and asking yourself what you've ever done?  Or are you just yet another apna who thinks all our issues need to be sorted out by other people while you comfortably plod along with your life?     

[GurjantGnostic]

1 minute ago, dalsingh101 said:

I think there is something wrong with your brain. Every last post of yours seems to end with finger pointing at sampardayas. In some cases, relating to certain areas, you might have a point, but when it gets to the point of blaming them for the activities of foreign governments and their agencies like the police, it seems like you've completely lost the plot.

 

Plus you're wrong, despite all of their resources and efforts to deceive and obfuscate, and all of their harassment, lies and outright support of forces inimical to Sikhs - some of us Sikhs in england have still managed to thwart their agenda and warn and protect our community here, as well as give a heads up to other diaspora communities too. 

Maybe, instead of just looking at sampardayas (which is a valid thing to do, don't get me wrong) - how about taking a look at yourself and asking yourself what you've ever done?  Or are you just yet another apna who thinks all our issues need to be sorted out by other people while you comfortably plod along with your life?     

We are all slacking. Good points bro. Sajjan does seem a bit depressed and frustrated. Been there. We really need to dig this Naam well deep and get rid the Dukh and function and feel joy or at least neutral. 

[dalsingh101]

57 minutes ago, GurjantGnostic said:

We are all slacking. Good points bro. Sajjan does seem a bit depressed and frustrated. Been there. We really need to dig this Naam well deep and get rid the Dukh and function and feel joy or at least neutral. 

Exactly bro. We have to keep our heads up. I think, in the face of 'issues', it's usually better to get stuck in trying to understand and challenge them, rather than sitting around despondently. Even if we can't do anything in particular about certain issues, we at the very least can be conscious of them, and not add to the problem and raise awareness when possible.   

[Sajjan_Thug]

11 hours ago, dalsingh101 said:

Maybe, instead of just looking at sampardayas (which is a valid thing to do, don't get me wrong)

The sampradays are well established institutions that are hundredths of years old headed by sants, sadhu, brahmgyanies and jathedhars.  Should we not have high expectations from these mahapurukhs and sampradays because they have shakti?  

Kathavachaks are always telling us these miracle stories.  So, should we not expect sants to get rid of all panthic problems by their shakti and ardas?

How do we reconcile the fact kathavachak tell us these karamat stories all the time but in reality the panthic problems keep getting worse? 
Should we lower our expectations from sants and sampradays?
 

[GurjantGnostic]

8 hours ago, Sajjan_Thug said:

The sampradays are well established institutions that are hundredths of years old headed by sants, sadhu, brahmgyanies and jathedhars.  Should we not have high expectations from these mahapurukhs and sampradays because they have shakti?  

Kathavachaks are always telling us these miracle stories.  So, should we not expect sants to get rid of all panthic problems by their shakti and ardas?

How do we reconcile the fact kathavachak tell us these karamat stories all the time but in reality the panthic problems keep getting worse? 
Should we lower our expectations from sants and sampradays?
 

No we shouldn't expect miracles to save us, let alone provide everything for free. 

We are all Sant Sipahi. Or are supposed to be. The number of us not training diligently in both categories is the problem. 

Samparadas should be doing more because more of us are doing things. Not because the Paanth is like the catholic church 2.0 and welfare had a baby. 

[GurjantGnostic]

The downside to being born Sikh. It seems to make people comfortable being a fan, or descended from players, but nobody wanting to play. Meanwhile all the fans want to complain about what the club and players are doing. Be a player and influence or form a club. 

Every individual Sikh or Bunga or Gurudwara is free to demonstrate how it's done. Because Gurmat applied correctly is the story of rags to riches. 

The problem is we aren't playing, training like pro athletes or forming clubs or engaging existing clubs as pros with expectations backed by our Seva. 

[GurjantGnostic]

It's easier to follow pop culture, parrot imperialism, materialism, and selfishness, and sort of dabble in protestantized oraly transmitted sikhism, and faux nationalism, casteism, racism, than cut your head off and become a Sikh. 

[GurjantGnostic]

Some of our Sants, and I won't name any, because I respect them all overall, but some of them do not demonstrate the proper cohesive demonstrateable mix of Gurmat, Shastar Vidya, Kirtan etc. Let alone understanding of the three other major faith groups. 

We're doing great compared to Kalyugis and other faiths in many regards. Compared to our potential? Lol. We're absolutely struggling with the bar set low. We need to kick it up an entire order of magnitude, an entire quantum. 

[GurjantGnostic]

But what to do? Become that Gursikh, and show how it's done. And network with the other people doing the same. Speak for Gurmat and a better future at all times and die well nourished, super well trained, charged with Naam Gurbani and a story of love. 

[PCSJZ]

10 hours ago, Sajjan_Thug said:

The sampradays are well established institutions that are hundredths of years old headed by sants, sadhu, brahmgyanies and jathedhars.  Should we not have high expectations from these mahapurukhs and sampradays because they have shakti?  

Kathavachaks are always telling us these miracle stories.  So, should we not expect sants to get rid of all panthic problems by their shakti and ardas?

How do we reconcile the fact kathavachak tell us these karamat stories all the time but in reality the panthic problems keep getting worse? 
Should we lower our expectations from sants and sampradays?
 

I have always believed our history gives us the answers to all our questions. If sants/sadhus were to solve all issues with their powers, it would go against everything our gurus taught us. Guru Gobind Singh ji did not save his own sons because he said what was happening was the hukam of akal purakh. We read stories of the Ramayan and Mahabharat where warriors were able to vanquish thousands of others in a matter of minutes with their powers. Guru Gobind Singh came here as satguru, if he wanted he could have destroyed the moghuls and anyone else within a blink of an eye by himself. Now to know what the hukam is, gurbani emphasises merging with the shabad so you can find out yourself how to live within his hukam.

I also agree that we need to look at ourselves first and see what are we doing for the panth before pointing fingers at others. Maharaj has gives us everything, why cant we train, learn martial arts and do what puratan Sikhs did? We hear stories of Baba Deep Singh carrying his head on one hand and fighting with the other at 75 year old. Ever thought how he was able to do this? We are able to do these things ourselves if we had the same love for Sikhi. 

Ive always had respect for Sant Jarnail Singh and what he did but when I hear people saying he needs to come back for the kaum, I think to myself, but what is wrong with us? Why cant we carry the fight and do something ourselves instead of pointing fingers at others or wishing other Singhs could come back from the dead?

[GurjantGnostic]

22 hours ago, dalsingh101 said:

Exactly bro. We have to keep our heads up. I think, in the face of 'issues', it's usually better to get stuck in trying to understand and challenge them, rather than sitting around despondently. Even if we can't do anything in particular about certain issues, we at the very least can be conscious of them, and not add to the problem and raise awareness when possible.   

Sikhi itself raised up from nothing in the span of a generation. No matter what we think the state of the Paanth is we have the blueprints to restart the Jathas any given day. Based on the Purtan model not the pop culture model. 

[SunnySingh]

9 hours ago, GurjantGnostic said:

Sikhi itself raised up from nothing in the span of a generation. 

Well said bro.

But the fact is, the seeds of Sikhi were planted by Guru Sahiban and Bhagat Jan thus they have to flourish.

If anything but that much added by daas, is that at the end of the day, it is good to be helpful, but without losing from our sight, if we are truly working on ourselves the core teachings of Guru Jee, for at any moment without any notification we may have to leave this world, and then there will be no excuses of saying there, oh I am so sorry for not doing that Nam bhakti as I was busy helping  my people, my kaum with all that religion is supposed to be from our narrow vision of the creation.

Let's worry for ourselves first, for as per Bani, nobody, absolutely nobody can go go back to the Father, if not approved by Him.

Believe it, nothing at all happens without His hukum, even the atheists, non believers, or even ourselves can do anything if He does not pull us from within.

We tend to forget, it is His creation, He is the Lord... He knows everything.

Now  before anyone gets me wrong, let me clear, I am not saying He is favoring some and throwing others down, for we know not what are the heavy karmas gathered by others.

Be good, but not to the extent of trying anything on anyone, for each one of us has to cover the chalked path before even we are born.

From our side, me may see imperfections, but from His side, everything is perfect as it should be.

If we are honest, with faith and love for Him, let us just be grateful to Him with each breath, from the very bottom of our hearts, for this His apaar bakshish on us.

SSA.

[GurjantGnostic]

2 hours ago, SunnySingh said:

Well said bro.

But the fact is, the seeds of Sikhi were planted by Guru Sahiban and Bhagat Jan thus they have to flourish.

If anything but that much added by daas, is that at the end of the day, it is good to be helpful, but without losing from our sight, if we are truly working on ourselves the core teachings of Guru Jee, for at any moment without any notification we may have to leave this world, and then there will be no excuses of saying there, oh I am so sorry for not doing that Nam bhakti as I was busy helping  my people, my kaum with all that religion is supposed to be from our narrow vision of the creation.

Let's worry for ourselves first, for as per Bani, nobody, absolutely nobody can go go back to the Father, if not approved by Him.

Believe it, nothing at all happens without His hukum, even the atheists, non believers, or even ourselves can do anything if He does not pull us from within.

We tend to forget, it is His creation, He is the Lord... He knows everything.

Now  before anyone gets me wrong, let me clear, I am not saying He is favoring some and throwing others down, for we know not what are the heavy karmas gathered by others.

Be good, but not to the extent of trying anything on anyone, for each one of us has to cover the chalked path before even we are born.

From our side, me may see imperfections, but from His side, everything is perfect as it should be.

If we are honest, with faith and love for Him, let us just be grateful to Him with each breath, from the very bottom of our hearts, for this His apaar bakshish on us.

SSA.

Amen bro. That resonates with me. I've been taking a deep look at myself lately. 

[Premi]