What Does Sikhi say about God?

[BabbarSher]

hee hee thanks Ideal singh ji. U guys hallasheri keeps me going ;-)

[LegendarySiKH]

I've been reading alot of Friedrich Nietzsche lately..

amazing philospher, but at the same time he's crazy.

I'm having similar trouble as Khalistani Singh, but not to the same extent.

Anyway, the famous quote from Nietzsche "God is Dead."

God was created by society to explain the unexplainable.

As Humans, we always need a purpose or reason for existence, or for certain things to happen. And when certain things are unexplainable we attribute it to God.

Lets start with the Romans/Greeks for exmaple, they believed that the tides in the ocean were controlled by Poseidon (God Of Sea).

Many years later, we prove that God doesnt control the ocean, and now we say God controls other things (that are yet unexplainable to us)

Humans just cant accept the fact that some things can not be explained right now, but maybe at a later date they will.

It shows that Gods control over things has changed as time goes by. Before they used to believe everything was controlled, now most believe just natural birth and death are controlled by God.

Personally, I think the cloning of Humans will destroy all religions (unless newly dated with atheist resemblence).

God was created by society to find an escape and purpose in life.

Look at all the responses of people claiming God gives purpose to life, that life would just be a stupid cycle of birth --> death otherwise.

These would be the same people that many years ago, would sya God controlled tides in the ocean. They would just say, look at the tides in the ocean, its not possible for something to have an effect like that on Earth, God must be doing it!

And please quit the answers of "go read Japji Sahib" or so. If you've read it, and have knowledge on it, help us and explain your answers.

Just like Guru Nanak created a philosphy, Nietzsche created a philosphy and claimed he was a prophet. I'm sure in due time, there will be a religion after Nietzsches beliefs. Yet, when people ask, I will not just reply with "Go read Beyond Good and Evil by Nietzsche"

[Guest Javanmard]

The Divine is beyond reading and believing: it can only be experienced! It's a quest and it is that quest that makes our lives!

[Hari]

The majority of people create "God" in the their own mold.Even athiests who do not believe in "God" are guilty of this.

When people say they either believe or do not believe in "God," they are actually stating that they believe or don't believe in their "God".

The English word God means different things to different people.To me it means Consciousness.Horse for courses.

And anyway, what about the Goddess?

God and Goddess are the two main emanations from That.Even to call It anything is futile.

Yet "It" is something so simple and wonderful...

[Hari]

Just like Guru Nanak created a philosphy, Nietzsche created a philosphy and claimed he was a prophet.

Satguru Nanak Nirankar did not "create" any philosophy and He did not claim to be a prophet.Please get your facts straight before insulting Satguru by comparing Him to Nietzsche.I suggest you compare His Jap Ji Sahib with the phenomenon of the Near Death Experience, which science finds hard to explain.

It is only a suggestion. :roll:

[Guest Javanmard]

Mind you there is somthing very nietzschean about the Nihang tradition...

[LegendarySiKH]

lol Hari,

you misintrepreted that line...I am not saying Guru Nanak self-proclaimed himself as a prophet. But Guru Nanak DID create a philosphy, what do you think sikhi is? Philosphy is a way of thinking, Guru Nanak brought a new way of thinking to the people around him.

[Hari]

I refer you to:

Just like Guru Nanak created a philosphy, Nietzsche created a philosphy and claimed he was a prophet.

There is no misinterpretation on my part.You have made a comparison by stating "Just like Guru Nanak...".Therefore you are equating what Nietzsche did with what Satguru Nanak did and said.

Sikhi isn't in essence philosophy.You got it wrong about Sikhi.It wasn't "created".Something that was never born can never be "created".

And Satguru Nanak did not bring a new way of thinking.Nor was it an old way of thinking.Time has no influence on the Truth.

I do hope you haven't been trusting English translations of Gurbani.Because it looks like to me you are coming from the angle of someone who has been reading English translations of Gurbani.I may be wrong in my assumption.

There are just too many people who call themsleves "sikh" or should I say "seekh" and try to dissect Sikhi according to their own whim.

"I know what Sikhi is!It is a way of thinking!"."It is a philosophy"."It is a religion"."It is socialism".

Oh dear me...When will these "seekhs" learn.

[Guest Javanmard]

Sikhi is a way not system. A philosophical system would imply restricting the Divine to definitions which is precisely against the spirit of Sikhi.

[tSingh]

This is a similar problem I find with discussing spirituality with philosophy/politics/sociology students...they can only conceptualise religion from a semitic perspective.

legendarySIKH, as far as I'm aware 'Beyond Good and Evil' is to be understood more as a philosophical attack on Christain Ethics.

[Dynamic_Banda]

Sikh religion is dead as is the religious God. It is a creation to make people fear the system or love the system, God is the only way the system can control the mass. When I say system I specifically refer to RELIGION, because that is what it is a system which controls the people, using religion countries where taken over, buildings built laws passed and so much more.

That God was not a very well thought out God, he was only powerful while the Religion which portrayed that God was powerful, and how did they do that? By claiming that God had control over all that was beyond our understanding. As time went on science became stronger God became less and less powerful, for example rains do not come by dancing nude to the rain god it rains because of the damn water cycle..

That GOD and the system which created that God (religion) is truely dead.

But the God who comes from spirituality is not bound by religious systems, that God .. well no words can express spirituality or the powers of this god.. This is the TRUE GOD,

Religions are businesses, systems, goverments, whatever you wish to call them,

Spirituality may be similar to a religion but it is very different as there is no system.. and the fact that there is no system.. that is the system.

thats my view

[Ideal Singh]

they can only conceptualise religion from a semitic perspective.

You got it dead right... I have lately explored to some western philosophy forums and they claim themselves to be true atheists or infidels or skeptics and compare just about anything on the tarantula of science but they just can conceptualise religion from a semitic perspective. For them God is a thing which should be qualified and quantified and should have some physical attributes to be true...

I posted the same post of dear Pheena on different philosophical forums and you would be surprised at the angry outbursts on the idea a God which has no physical attributes... They have a way to go to call themselves atheists or infidels. They just can not think out of box...

[Masti]

Regardless of your preception about any Religion or The Creator Lord, the point you are making is that of BELIEVING !

Two types of people exist in our World, the Believers and the Non-Believers or sometimes known as The Doubters.

Nothing to say about those who Believe, they already believe !

You fit in with the Non-Believers or The Doubters and help is on hand for people like you. You have to go to a Believer, find One in The Granth Sahib, Bible, Koran, Dhammpada, Vedas, Purannas or Others !

[SikhStar]

I havent been able to follow this one much but i dont think we as Sikhs, should be naming Vaheguru as God. Reason being, that it is genderising and Vaheguru is beyond gender. Same way that we should not give into Xian ways and say He is almighty or He is this n that. God is male and Godess is female. Vaheguru is neither... and both.

Sorry for anything said that appears to be wrong

[harsharan000]

Sikhee says:

There is of course One God, He is Satnam.

Ik Onkar Satnam

But to know about Him, we have to transcend the limits of the mind. Mind is for reasoning and understanding the phenomenal creation.

Sochay soch na hovaee, jeh sochay lakh var

Then to know and love Him, His glance of mercy is essential.

Satgur parsad, jap.

This is in short, the anwers for the O.P.

But we may read or listen any Ang from the pure paviter Gurbani, it is nothing but mahima of that Supreme reality,

namely Wahiguru Akal Purukh.

You may also read and listen Jap Ji Sahib, Sukhmani Sahib and Anand Sahib; by His Grace, you will surely come to know about His beant wadeeayee, and taste the bliss from it.

Though you may listen these Banis sung by any kertanee, I would strongly suggest, to listen these mentioned Banis above in the voice of Bhai Gurpreet Singh, Shimla Wale, his voice is melodious, and the way he recites the Bani, is just too much .... outstanding

Sat Sree Akal.

[BhagatSingh]

Harsharan what do you notice when your mind goes beyond itself?

[harsharan000]

Harsharan what do you notice when your mind goes beyond itself?

Bhagat Jee,

first of all, where have I have ever given any hint even, that my mind has gone beyond itself?

Secondly, mind can only go up to the skirts of Trikuti, or Causal Plane.

The entity which has the power and capacity to go beyond the mind´s reach or call it Causal plane, is the the "jeeva", the soul, the atma .... That also, only by boarding the plane of Naam.

Mind got associated with soul, or we can say knotted with the soul, when the soul in its way down from Sach Khand came into the creation at the stage of Causal region, it is there where the mind is originated.... and it is there where it is left behind by the soul, in its crossing that plane and soaring higher and higher towards the pure spiritual planes, up to the end so to say, in Sach Khand.

Just as the soul, is a drop Of the Infinte Ocean of Love and bliss: Wahiguru Akal Purukh.

In the returning journey of the soul back from the mayavee creation to Sach Khand, first of all, the soul sheds its physical covering or body, then while passing and crossing in the astral region, the soul sheds the astral body, still further, in its elevating within, while passing and crossing the causal plane it sheds its causal body, and the mind looses its grip on the soul, because the soul has taken refuge in the Shabad Guru, and due to this help, there all the karmic account of the soul is setteled down forever....then only is the soul truly free ...

Up to this point, the journey of the soul is more or less slow, as there are many barriers ..... but once it is free from all the filthy karmas, mind and the three bodily coverings, the soul boarding the Jahaz of Nam or Shabad, gets transported with the speed of a bullet shot from a gun .... do not take the words literally, but it is a way of saying, that then the speed of the flight of the soul, is quite considerable .....

This is what I have learnt and understood from Gurmat. And this my personal view or understanding I do share with the sangat ...

Knowing something does not imply, having gone through it .....

Worldy knowledge can be discussed, but the spiritual knowledge given in the Bani, by our Guru Sahibans, Bhagats, Sadh Janas, Gurmukhs .... as it is something imparted by these Perfect Beings, can be learnt and understood, untill the reaping time comes, when one is pure enough to experience it ....

This can not be copied and pasted, this Truth(Gurbani) needs our purity, firstly to be understood to an extent, and then to be experienced, only when one is totally pure ....

And purity can only come with the kamaee of Nam Simran.... But this das is so impure, that it is difficult even to recite His Name properly... so what to say about of going beyond the realms of mind ?

But this does not matters much to me, because Guru Jee is so powerful, that whenever He thinks fit, He will do so (bahah pakad kar, Guru kadeeaa, lakh khusheeya patshaheeya jeh Satgur nazar kareh ...)

It is by His power alone, that one reaches Him .... not by one´s efforts.

Wah wah Sachay Patshah !!!

Sat Sree Akal.

Edited March 17, 2015 by harsharan000