Guest Posted April 6, 2004 Report Share Posted April 6, 2004 Muhammadan priest of the place. A disciple called Tatihari went to fetch a pot of water for his spiritual guide from the well near which the Guru and Mardana had sat down to rest. The Guru wore a Persian hat and a nondescript costume, which Tatihari took for that of a Persian darwesh. He addressed the Guru with the Muhammadan salutation, 'Salam Alaikum' (the peace of God be with you). Nanak replied, 'Salam Alekh' (salutation to the Invisible). Tatihari was astonished, and said that until then nobody had distorted his salutation. He went and told his religious superior, the Shaikh, that he had met a darwesh who had taken the liberty of punning on the Muhammadan salutation. The Shaikh at once resolved to go himself to see the man who had saluted the Invisible One, and inquire what he knew regarding Him. The Shaikh, on arriving, asked the Guru what religious denomination his head-dress denoted, and why he did not shave his head in orthodox fashion. The Guru replied:-- When man hath shaved his mind he hath shaved his head;[1] Without shaving his mind he findeth not the way. Let him cut off his head and place it before his guru. If he resign his own wisdom, he shall be saved by the wisdom of his guru. To become the dust of the feet of all is to shave the head. Such a hermit appreciateth the words of the guru; That is the way in which the head is shaved, O brother. Few are there who shave their heads according to the instruction of their guru. Nanak having abandoned all pleasures, affections, and egotism, Hath put on a hat of this fashion.[2] http://www.sacred-texts.com/skh/tsr1/tsr107.htm If you look at the next website below and scroll down you'll soon see an image of Guru Nanak Devi Ji. http://www.sarbloh.info/htmls/guru_nanak.html What do you people think about this story? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aman_90 Posted April 6, 2004 Report Share Posted April 6, 2004 This story is...I don't know..interesting? Its amazing to see what kind of things the Gurujis had done just to prove or justify a simple point. Thanks for that. Fateh 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kulpreetsingh Posted April 20, 2004 Report Share Posted April 20, 2004 I personally completely and absolutely disagree that Guru Sahib would ever really put on a hat In this message Guru Sahib is showing that what a real hat is - of the Guru's wisdom and Guru Gobind Singh jee's wisdom has also ordained that a Sikh should tie a dastaar - as the external appearance to reinforce the internal love for Guru's hukam but i have a long way to go ... don't respect my dastaar enough bhul chuk maaf karnaa jee VaaheguroojeekaakhaalsaaVaaheguroojeekeefatheh!!! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sikh_fauge Posted April 20, 2004 Report Share Posted April 20, 2004 Its clearly a metaphor. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tableji Posted April 20, 2004 Report Share Posted April 20, 2004 hoe sikh sir ttopee dhharai || saath janam kushattee hue marai || He who as a Sikh places a hat on their head; will be reborn seven times as a leper. Thankhaanama Bhai Nand Laal Jee 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted April 20, 2004 Report Share Posted April 20, 2004 I went to some UKPHA (?) talks, and one of them was abt old paintings. A lot of paintings of Guru Nanak by artists from the Middle-East (ie Iraq) show Guru Nanak wearing a topi. Also, unlike the many of the pictures we have in our homes, Guru Nanak was also shown wearing blue clothes (not orange). Incidentally, I also heard Guru Nanak carried a spear, not a wooden stick. This kind of makes sense, coz what use does a stick have compared to a spear? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sikh_fauge Posted April 20, 2004 Report Share Posted April 20, 2004 Middle east paintings would depict that image; after all they want guru nanak dev ji to be a muslim pir, and not the guru of the sikhs. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted April 20, 2004 Report Share Posted April 20, 2004 ^ Maybe. But thats a broad sweeping statement. We can only know the answer if we look at the evidence surrounding each painting. One thing I do know is that I would trust an older painting that was created closer to the time of Guru Nanak rather tha one created in 1978. Also, its not just paintings. I'm sure Guru Nanak's appearance has been described in writings - (hypothetically) if these writings also claim that Guru Nanak wore a topi than will we disregard them as false because they don't conform to our modern-day views? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tSingh Posted April 20, 2004 Report Share Posted April 20, 2004 Come on you lot, don't be daft. Applying the rehitnamae to Guru Sahib is a little crazy. Next you'd be telling us that Guru Sahib kept panj kakkar and was sarbloh bibeki. To my knowledge, there are no paintings in the janamsakhis with Guru ji wearing a dastaar. Topis always. Perhaps i am wrong. As for the spear, well I'm off to this summer to see the Gurdwara in which it is reported there appears a very old painting in which Guru Nanak Dev ji is holding a teer. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 20, 2004 Report Share Posted April 20, 2004 There is one authentic picture who guroo maharaj is wearin dastar which is at nanaksar in 19th century. Thats only one i can think of. But my point is, Guroo maharaj ji is nirankar themselves. Whichever way jagyasoo(learner) picture guroo maharaj and does bhagti ohiii saroop comes pragat at the time of union. People who say guroo maharaj only wore topis. I dont agree with them because guroo maharaj is nirankar and "daran anaaek roops" for his bhagats :D 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tableji Posted April 20, 2004 Report Share Posted April 20, 2004 i dnt c how gurbani cud conflict with guru nanak dev ji. hoe sikh sir ttopee dhharai || saath janam kushattee hue marai || He who as a Sikh places a hat on their head; will be reborn seven times as a leper. Maybe u shud look to that instead of wot u c in pictures and wot ppl tell u 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pheena Posted April 20, 2004 Report Share Posted April 20, 2004 i dnt c how gurbani cud conflict with guru nanak dev ji. hoe sikh sir ttopee dhharai || saath janam kushattee hue marai || He who as a Sikh places a hat on their head; will be reborn seven times as a leper. Maybe u shud look to that instead of wot u c in pictures and wot ppl tell u Is bhai Nand lal jis bani in the SGGS?? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sikh_fauge Posted April 20, 2004 Report Share Posted April 20, 2004 Im sure theres verses by bhai gurdas ji that i stumbled across in reference to the pagri,etc. Me try and find them; 'the guru granth sahib is the best of all portaits of the gurus'-(forgotten the writer oops) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noor Posted April 21, 2004 Report Share Posted April 21, 2004 Whats the big deal about wearing a hat? And anyways Guru Nanak ji cant be 'claimed' by any single religion.. I dont think thats right. Some of you guys take the simpliest things and try to make them so complicated. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Javanmard Posted April 21, 2004 Report Share Posted April 21, 2004 Well well well here we go again! It is a known fact that our Gurus up to Guru Arjan included wore seli topi. It is Guru Harigobind who changed this tradition and handed over the seli to the bedis and the topi to the udasis. There are relics of Maharaj's belongings: http://www.angelfire.com/folk/pothimala/ Guru Harigobind ordered that the topi be given to Udasis only. So the point of rahit regarding the prohibition of wearing topi does not concern Udasis. Also do not forget that a lot of paintings show Guru Nanak Devi Ji wearing a topi surrounded by a small turban. so both! Happy everyone? Can we move on to more important things now? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amrikingh Posted April 21, 2004 Report Share Posted April 21, 2004 lallesh man whats da rush, some peeps want to expand there knowledge, so peeps need reasons for such and such not everyone has depth knowledge like you, .....not me thats for sure 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tableji Posted April 21, 2004 Report Share Posted April 21, 2004 Is bhai Nand lal jis bani in the SGGS?? Yet his bani is in the amrit keertan?!?! so u tell me that everyone who sings : Naasaro Manasoor Gur Gobind Singh is singing kachi bani?? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sikh_fauge Posted April 21, 2004 Report Share Posted April 21, 2004 Pardon my french, but if that website is authentic/contents, then !!""££"! me!!! Amazing. Had me kissing the screen! So how comes these items are spoken of (unlike guru jis shastars,etc which are openly exhibited)???? Is the whole topi thing a problem/for people to grasp?? Lalleshvari, on a different (but brief) note, did the gurus all have kesh?? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ideal Singh Posted April 21, 2004 Report Share Posted April 21, 2004 hoe sikh sir ttopee dhharai || saath janam kushattee hue marai || He who as a Sikh places a hat on their head; will be reborn seven times as a leper. Thankhaanama Bhai Nand Laal Jee No offence... Could anybody tell me what is logic behind such an edict ? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Javanmard Posted April 21, 2004 Report Share Posted April 21, 2004 This just for Singhs. Adopting a topi would have been a sign of renounciation which SInghs are not supposed to undergo. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Sehjo Kaur Posted April 21, 2004 Report Share Posted April 21, 2004 What about women? Not being funny but Topis might be in fashion one day. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Javanmard Posted April 21, 2004 Report Share Posted April 21, 2004 There is nothing written about topis and women and when there is an absence of reference: do what you want! Also helmets and topis are different things! There is evidence that SInghs used special war helmets to suit the joora. Topi refers to a religious type of hat and any hat for SInghs 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sikh_fauge Posted April 21, 2004 Report Share Posted April 21, 2004 Yeh ive seen them..wicked stuff. Have that spikey majig thing on the top. Makes singhs look like rhinos. Im gonna get one! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noor Posted April 21, 2004 Report Share Posted April 21, 2004 So what happens if a really religious,devoted Singh is all outta clean paags..theyre all in the wash and he puts on a cap/hat for the day.. does that mean he will be reborn seven times as a leper? :| (Jus askin since u all like to complicate things ) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Javanmard Posted April 21, 2004 Report Share Posted April 21, 2004 No problem my dear friend. The maryada of Hazur Sahib specifies that for example if your hair is wet then you can actually just put a cloth, shawl or chadar on your head a bit like a chunni. no need of caps! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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