Jeetho! Posted April 28, 2004 Report Share Posted April 28, 2004 Uuum N30-ji, u thnk sexual pleasures are wrong b4 and after marraige? i totally agree with the before marraige, but i thought it was OK after marraige, and yes Lust is something we r supposed to refrain from, but is it still seen as lust if it is ur spose? "By meeting up on the saint, my sexual desires and greed get smashed into pieces (SGGS)" Mayb the quote means when we die and our souls r passed on our sexual desires r crashed as we do not have a body? :?: 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sikher Posted April 28, 2004 Report Share Posted April 28, 2004 With your wife everything is there for satifaction, to build relationship 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tableji Posted April 28, 2004 Report Share Posted April 28, 2004 yeah sex does improve relationships, coz it is soo intimate 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 28, 2004 Report Share Posted April 28, 2004 I never implied that sexual pleasures were wrong after marraige but before marriage. oh btw Lust is not sexual pleasure!! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pheena Posted April 28, 2004 Report Share Posted April 28, 2004 *Self Edited* 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeyDudesWassup Posted April 29, 2004 Report Share Posted April 29, 2004 Sorry about the spaces problem, I'm copying n pasting from (PDF file) Bandgi-Nama: 7.5 Centres of Consciousness In this state, the seeker perceives within himself many centres where consciousness could rest in a state of concentration, and when his mind is diverted to such centres, he feels unfathomable joy. As compared with this supreme bliss, the pleasures of the world are naught. The love and union of man and woman is supposed to be delightful, but, the seeker finds in Sahej that indescribable, unfathomable, bliss that defies description. The bliss of Sahej infinitely excels the pleasures of the flesh in intensity and in its peculiar nature, and unlike the aftereffects of coitus-weakness, depression, and inertia-those of Sahej are exhilarating, invigorating and health-giving. The mind is buoyant. At the initial stage, we do not understand these things, and even when we are at Simran, we yearn for worldly pleasure. Imperceptibly, gradually, we compare the pleasures of the world with those of the spirit, and inevitably, we are driven to the inescapable conclusion that the greatest pleasures of the senses stand absolutely no comparison with the supreme bliss of the spirit, the bliss of Nam. Indeed, we discard the pleasures of the world, only when we taste of the bliss of Nam, and in comparison find the pleasures of the flesh dull and drab. When we find the Supreme Bliss of Simran, we experience asense of satisfaction and the mind is at rest. We cease to crave for worldlypleasures, for in the supreme bliss of Simran are concentrated all conceivablepleasures, and much more besides. When we taste spiritual bliss, The pleasures of the flesh repel us. oh rasu ava ihu ras nahibhava 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gupy Posted April 30, 2004 Report Share Posted April 30, 2004 VJKK VJKF Hi guys, I've just read this whole forum for the first time and i think its really good, so thank you all for your input. If I could, I'd like to make a few observations about modern day perceptions. Is it fair to say that in the whole we have none or very little understanding of sex as Sikhs. We seek the truth, and want to learn, but seemingly are in constant denial of ourselves, let me explain this further... The majority of Sikhs today will not deal with issues about sex, apart from simple statements like STOP IT if your asking about it or thinking something bad. But to play devils advocate, why is it bad to have sexually orientated thoughts about the opposite sex? I know it Gurbani warns us about the poison of sexual desire (and I agree!!!), but for discussion I want to really think through why this is the case on a broader point of view One answer I am able to give is that Sikhi is about compassion and love. Hence the reason why the issue of Sex is so difficult for most of us to deal with. On one hand it can be seen as a great tool in both of these two things. On the other, it can keep you away from them. Lets get more 'realistic' and practical about it. When you (purposefully or not) 'check out' someones figure say (i.e. think of them in a purely physical way) ask your self what is the underlying thought... so if I walk past a girl tomorrow, and as she moves past me, I look around and concentrate my attention on her shapely figure, what is it that I’m thinking. Lets face it, I’m not admiring the aesthetics of natural beauty. If any of us really push this thought (GUYS!!!!) we have to be brave enough to admit, that even if we’ve convinced ourselves that we don’t want to be the kind of guys that see women as sexual objects, that every time you have such a lapse, your actually thinking of some pretty ‘graphic’ things. As far as I’m concerned you can admit to that, or you can’t. BUT I believe its truth for the vast majority of us. Now whats the point in this you might be thinking… What I’m trying to highlight is the fact that such thoughts exist, and if we are to proclaim something/someone as our Guru, then surely it is reasonable to say that such a perfect Guru can educate us in such matters. I know Guru ji warns us of Kaam, but further to that I believe Guru Gobind Singh Ji actually helps us address it using our own intellect. So as many people may proclaim some works of Guru ji as ‘pornographic’, I take the opinion that they are very necessary in our own understanding of ourselves. Without which you will NEVER conquer Kaam, as you will never have addressed it to its fullest potential. You cannot defeat something you do not understand or recognise. Thank you if you’ve bothered to read this to its end, I hope you can give me some stimulating feedback 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 3, 2004 Report Share Posted May 3, 2004 Kaam Saie Mukhti Jugtiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii saie haie 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sikh_fauge Posted May 10, 2004 Report Share Posted May 10, 2004 Is it true that theres a shabad in gurbani which says that anyone who has sex outside marraige will be boiled in a couldren?? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Javanmard Posted May 10, 2004 Report Share Posted May 10, 2004 It refers to adultry 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inder Singh Posted May 18, 2004 Report Share Posted May 18, 2004 Sexual thoughts about other women should be brutally repressed in a sikhs mind, a sikh should have iron control over his mind. All women, except partner, should be seen as sisters. But there is nothing wrong with enjoying sex with your spouse, or fondling your girlfriend. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 18, 2004 Report Share Posted May 18, 2004 But there is nothing wrong with enjoying sex with your spouse, or fondling your girlfriend. :wink: :wink: 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pheena Posted May 18, 2004 Report Share Posted May 18, 2004 Having sexual thought about your wife/husband, is still being lustfull, instead of the thoughts being directed at any woman/man you limit them to one individual. Regardless of the fact that you have limited it, you are only trimming the plant so it will stay in its boundries, you must remove the tree from its roots. You will not be able to pull it out with force...the more you try to repress such thought the more they will come at you with force. Lust has to be understood with knowledge...the thoughts must not be surpressed but ignored. Surpression of sexual thoughts only builds up pressure within you....ignoring the thoughts releases that pressure, because you are the king of your mind and desires, not the other way around. Where Love begins to grow sexuality begins to diminish. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sikh_fauge Posted May 18, 2004 Report Share Posted May 18, 2004 hehe at inder singh. and thanx lalleshvari- i thought so! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shasterkovich Posted May 18, 2004 Report Share Posted May 18, 2004 Sexual thoughts about other women should be brutally repressed in a sikhs mind, a sikh should have iron control over his mind. This is absolutely wrong. There is no point giving yourself problems by becoming repressed. The only effect of being a part of an insular minority with more repressed sexuality than the majority population is that your minority becomes increasingly both insular and minor. But there is nothing wrong with enjoying sex with your spouse, or fondling your girlfriend. Don't you think it's a bit disgusting to be always fondling some girl, for several months until you marry her (or not) with your good intentions? An honest man will either do her properly or leave her. Also, if all 3 are aware and consenting, is it really something "wrong" if you make love to your wife while fondling your mistress at the same time. If so, where is the scriptural authority for this? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Javanmard Posted May 18, 2004 Report Share Posted May 18, 2004 shasterkovich...shasterkovice...lol 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inder Singh Posted May 18, 2004 Report Share Posted May 18, 2004 Mr Shasterkovich said There is no point giving yourself problems by becoming repressed. The only effect of being a part of an insular minority with more repressed sexuality than the majority population is that your minority becomes increasingly both insular and minor. How is it by quashing thoughts of sex with women that the minority becomes "increasingly insular and minor" i am assuming that when you are speaking of minorities you mean sikhs. I do not understand your point please clarify. Don't you think it's a bit disgusting to be always fondling some girl, for several months until you marry her (or not) with your good intentions? An honest man will either do her properly or leave her. Also, if all 3 are aware and consenting, is it really something "wrong" if you make love to your wife while fondling your mistress at the same time. If so, where is the scriptural authority for this? You misunderstand me shasterpaavich i meant if u are not married you can do whatever to ur girlfriend. I would in no way condone cheating on a women 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted May 18, 2004 Report Share Posted May 18, 2004 ^ He wasn't talking about *cheating* on his wife. Hypothetically, all 3 in the relationship are aware and consenting. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guv Posted May 18, 2004 Report Share Posted May 18, 2004 Also, if all 3 are aware and consenting, is it really something "wrong" if you make love to your wife while fondling your mistress at the same time. good point.... hmmm... now all i need is a consenting wife & mistress!! :wink: :wink: 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shasterkovich Posted May 18, 2004 Report Share Posted May 18, 2004 Edited: Moderator Note: Please leave your perverted fantasy to yourself. This is sikh-forum here not some Randi-Khanna Forum. Perhaps I was a bit too explicit. I was just tryng to show that the sort of scenario being discussed is an everyday reality for very many of the non-Sikh majority in our society, and is within the reach of anyone (with some forethought and planning or saving as the case may be) if you want it enough. Hence, an on-topic and current albeit controversial moral dilemma. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeyDudesWassup Posted May 19, 2004 Report Share Posted May 19, 2004 Mods, you have got to ban this Shasterkovich. He has no consideration for others (there are also young ones who visit this forum). 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sikh_fauge Posted May 19, 2004 Report Share Posted May 19, 2004 I say spread the love! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guv Posted May 19, 2004 Report Share Posted May 19, 2004 i like ur thinkin sikh fauge! :wink: xxx 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sikh_fauge Posted May 19, 2004 Report Share Posted May 19, 2004 mmmmmmwah i love u too xx 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted May 19, 2004 Report Share Posted May 19, 2004 Mods, you have got to ban this Shasterkovich. He has no consideration for others (there are also young ones who visit this forum). This whole thread is about sex. Deal with it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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