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    HisServant reacted to Sat1176 in Meditation for beginners   
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    HisServant reacted to Lucky in Meditation - My Experiance, Am I Allowed To Share?   
    The taste you experience here is preliminary. In a sense it's the taste of what's to come. In the same manner, you can hear some of the panj shabads early on, but they are pavan shabads because you are not in or past sehaj sunn when you hear them. The tastes of these drips are blessings and signs of encouragement from nirankaar, in the hope that you drink the real naam amrit.
    In short, it's not the same rass as naam amrit or the "amrit peeevoh sada chir jeevo"  { 'drink the amrit and live forever'(elixir of life) }.  and it's not the amrit where you receive 'amrit katha' (intuitive gyaan).
    I can give you a much more detailed answer involving gurbani, yoga, alchemy and even buddhism if i get a chance. But I'm gonna be busy for a while with physical trainer and doing bhagtee. (gotta work on both physical and sukham sareer with a strict regime)     However, you should beg for more because it will help you rise further.
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    HisServant reacted to Sat1176 in Mala And Touf   
    Useful insight into the use of mala by GuruMaa
    https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10156109121694395&id=378788264394
     
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    HisServant reacted to Sat1176 in The Ringing Sound (Anhad Shabad; Sound Current)   
    This Q&A is all about Anhad Sounds. Highly recommended. 
     
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    HisServant reacted to Lucky in The Ringing Sound (Anhad Shabad; Sound Current)   
    Behind and above is good. I may have felt it below at some time and was advised to raise it upwards . You can practice the root lock technique which is done in yoga. This DOES ensure that energy rises upwards. It also helps transform dirty kaam energy into divine. But having it behind and above belly button is good. 
    That's good also,  i'd recommend deep sessions of sitting upright and doing this with holding breath in pauses.
    You felt the imbalance,....this is good.  What you feel, is what your hidden sukham body is telling you.  I'm always stressing how important it is to maintain posture and balance throughout your daily life.  The sukham sareer is already imbalanced and blocked up for all manukhs.. It is imperative that we don't block and imbalance the outer body as well.  I stress again, that it's fine to do simran lying down or sitting back on a couch, but your CORE simran should be done sat grounded, cross-legged and upright, with back and neck kept straight and vertical.   No leaning your buttocks to the left or right,...completely central and inner body raised.  Other simran you do in the day and night is not your core.  If you do it on a chair for health reasons, then it should be at 90 degress to your glutes/thighs and not slouched back.
     
    Don't worry too much about this. When you get more adept with shabad naads and tones, you will be able to control this and many other things at will!
    If i ever notice mine to be too imbalanced, then i just put my dhyian there and fix it. Same goes for aches and pains.
    Makes perfect sense.  "Consciousness expansion" ... This is gurmat and this is how you will learn about the existence of gobind in your mind.  Mann jithay jag jeet doesn't just mean power over the mind, it also means that the "jag" can be contained within you.
    Merge them is what you want, although the term is slightly incorrect. What you want to do is witness them from the middle and feel the sound coming from there.   Say you have 2 speakers on either side and you're in the middle. At any time you can hear a specific symphony the left when you focus there and a different rhythm on the right when focusing over there.    To "merge" seems like saying you want to be able to convert the 2 stereo speaker into a single mono speaker. This is not the goal, because you want to be able to hear the combined symphony with other raags in background.   
    In my opinion, this practice with shabad tones is very crucial in development along the path. There is so much gyaan that you will attain, so many powers and so many abilities.  
     
    The instructions below by Sant Isher Singh are super-duper, and I can confirm that they are most authentic, proven and tested. Although, my time lines were different, the summary and clues are all there!   
     
     
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    HisServant got a reaction from Daas_ in Meditation - My Experiance, Am I Allowed To Share?   
    I had a pretty cool experience yesterday that I thought I'd share. I was sitting on a bench in my school's library. It was around 9:50 am and I needed to kill time until 11. Saas Saas was automatically going so I just started following it and focusing on the internal jaap. I started to hear my heartbeat as the mind was getting quieter and then the jaap started to transition to the heartbeat. Eventually, the focus got so strong that I would get absorbed into the jaap, thoughts would stop and I lost awareness of everything around me. Then moments would come where my curiosity would notice what's happening and everything would stop and I'd go back to saas saas. At one point I was absorbed in the heartbeat and it felt like someone lightly punched me around the navel area (this was the only time something other than thoughts caused my focus to break). The focus on the heartbeat was on and off until eventually, it got so strong that I completely knocked out. I woke up around 11:15 feeling so much peace and mental stability.  
    I remember someone posted an analogy where they said the power from baikhri bani is like 1 unit, madhma 100 units, pasanti 1000 units etc. I never understood this but after what happened yesterday I think I know what they meant. 
     
     
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    HisServant got a reaction from Lucky in The Ringing Sound (Anhad Shabad; Sound Current)   
    A few things have happened since last night. I started hearing two tones - one on the left and one on the right. I was laying in bed but awake. It woke me up a few times as well. 
    I was in a rush to get to school this morning so didn't get much time in but I had a few moments where it seemed like rom rom went below the heart. I could feel the pulse/vibration slightly above the belly button. Is this the place where it's supposed to be or is the nabhi lower? I wish I had more time, it felt like I was going into sunn but had to force myself to get up and go to school. Saas saas helped amplify the recognition of the pulse. 
    The tones were also at full blast. First on the right side. And then I was able to latch onto one in front of me and one behind. Left side was very faint. It actually felt slightly awakward because it seemed like some sort of imbalance. 
    *Edit* - I should also mention the breath was very slightly heavier in the right nostril --> I'm not sure if this has anything to do with it.
    While the tones were happening it also felt as if this new energy/force was present in the mind. It's hard to explain. And the energy was moving around the space within the mind. And the mind was expanding. (I don't know if that makes any sense).
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    HisServant reacted to Sat1176 in The Ringing Sound (Anhad Shabad; Sound Current)   
    Merge I think. From everything I read and been told is eventually you want to get central.
    Look at the instructions again from Sant Isher Singh ji.
     
     
     
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    HisServant reacted to Sat1176 in The Ringing Sound (Anhad Shabad; Sound Current)   
    I have been playing with the tones since I watched those videos. For a long time now I was unable to hear anything but have been increasing my simran throughout the day trying to get back into the swing of things.
    So I tried the technique that is described in those videos of focusing on the right ear which is my dominant side. It is the side that in the past I have heard stuff from before.
    After a few minutes low and behold the high pitch tone appeared which I recognised. So I put my dhyan on it and slowly by slowly the intensity increased. Not to something I couldn't handle but much louder than the initial ringing you hear. I have never heard it that loud before. So I kept my attention on it for some minutes until it felt like my whole right side of my brain was resonating with the tone. It was no longer localised to my ear. To say I was surprised by the sensation was an understatement. So after that I decided to direct my surti towards the left ear whilst still listening to the sound. The resonating sound changed into a vertical bar like sensation and it slowly starting moving across my head to the left side. Shortly after that it felt like it had moved to the left side of my head it felt like the left side had been lit with by something and my left side also started ringing a similar tone. After a while the tones split and I could not contain my excitement and now for the first time I was hearing two sounds in the head simultaneously, which became quite loud the more attention I gave them.
    Slowly as I tried to keep some kind of lock on both sounds in the left and right, they would merge for brief periods and you could feel a vertical bar like sensation of sound running between the eyes going upwards into the forehead. For the first time in my life I may have had glimpse of what it is like to hear the sound in the trikuti region. As before it was always localised to my right ride.
    Please note, that I have not got the foggiest idea of what I'm playing with here, but whatever it is, something is definitely resonating more profoundly than a high pitch sound that starts in the beginning of the ear drum. But it is definitely not localised to my ear drum anymore.
    Over the next couple of days, whenever I would look for the sound, it quickly appears on the right. Sometimes it now starts off as the sound of crickets in the night which slowly turns into the high frequency sound which then increases in volume. When you stop giving it attention then it disappears. However it now turns on randomly during the day on either side as I carry on my job and I am more aware when it does. If I am able to close my eyes and devote attention to it, then the volume increases and you get a type of sensation that your brain in your head is resonating with this sound. Is it intoxicating? Not yet. It takes a great deal of concentration to be able to keep an lock on it. I have heard and read that next stage after japna begins with dhyan avasta. I now appreciate it more when they say first learn to concentrate on the gurmantar and develop stamina in a thoughtless still state. Because when you are just trying to focus on a sound, it is much more difficult to maintain unless your foundation is strong, and you definitely notice your monkey mind taking random thoughts which can become very annoying when your trying to concentrate on something and surrender to it.
    During the day I'm practising on the gurmantar a lot more. Then in the night when the house is quiet and all have gone to bed, I try and focus on the sounds.
    I am also noticing during the day when my air is balanced in both nostrils. You can feel the flow in the trikuti between the eyes really easily.
    Whatever changes may be happening in my surti I am definitely feeling more inwardly aware of subtle changes in my head and hearing is becoming more inwardly sensitive.
    Waheguru
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    HisServant reacted to Lucky in The Ringing Sound (Anhad Shabad; Sound Current)   
    These are good questions. I'm aware that you will have difficulty in getting the answers, but in time, they will come to you.  Things can get pretty tricky to explain unless one understands the experience.  Nevertheless, I can try answer them relative to my own journey and understanding. They are pretty long explanations to write down, so i will have to be a little blunt.  Whether i'm right, wrong, or if others experience different, is another discussion.  
     
    This comes with practice.  You will start hearing shabad, alone, once naam is pargat.  There's quite a number of nishanees in gurbani for when this happens. We can discuss those then, but in the mean time it's just about practice.
     
    1) "Some say to sit and wait in sunn"  you asked  ..<--doesn't really apply to naam pargat in my opinion.  I'll explain briefly.......
    Now,.... I never understood sunn for ages. Even when i was in it,  I never realised where or what it was.  I have now awakened to the fact that there are 4 possible stages of sunn. The 1st is the basic sunn/sleep one that we all pass through at night before the mind falls in maya dreams. Think of it as a very short stage of dreamless and thoughtless sleep. You can practice elongating  this dreamless stage when doing jap, during moments of when you may be drifting to sleep. There is a very thin line between this void, dream sleep and being aware(in control).   Have you seen the movie 'Inception'?
    The 2nd stage is the longest part of journey and is the Sunn Mandal. This is the stage when naam CAN get pargat. A lot of transformations take place in this zone and some people may even break it up into more divisions of sunn.  You don't really sit and wait in this stage as you questioned. The sitting and waiting is done in Sehaj sunn(the 3rd stage), when all you hear is the anhad dunn in the centre and all around.
     
    My suggestion  is to do "saas saas".    Do this very quietly with focus on breath. Make the breathing long with antarghat or whisper "waaaaahhhhhheeeee" long pause, then  "guroooooooo',   long pause.  This is what helped me get to next levels.
     
    To sit and wait in sunn, isn't really going to get you far in my opinion with out naam kamayee.  What i mean is that it's much easier to sit and wait in sunn when one get's naam and  has gained naam kamayee. 
    Do the saas saas above and rom rom jugtees.   These should automatically take you into the tips of sunn mandal to begin with.... Then naam gets flowing,... naam kamayee begins, ... naam gets pargat...and then Naam kamayee will  take you further into depths and experiences of the same sunn mandal towards sehaj sunn.   It is the  fastest manner I know in which  you can undergo major transformations.  I'm suggesting it because I know it works.  
     Other methods of trying to rush into sunn are methods that i can't advise and don't understand how.   Gurmat emphasis that one does japna to get to naam. Naam is what helps you get deeper into sunn because you want to latch on to the shabad.
     
    You need to keep practicing more rom rom because it isn't pargat yet.   Get real deep and start using all that energy from heart area dissipating throughout the body with jap.    I keep stressing the importance of practicing rom rom technique after saas saas.   Rom rom makes so many thing easier when you get to later stages.   It will help you get to deep meditative zones within seconds with the anhad shabad and you will discover so many other things.
     
    Right or dominant side is usually at first. You wanna be able to hear the front, back and centre as well. Again, this is just practice, practice and practice.
     
    The KEY to the whole approach is to work at a pace, in sehaj with utmost prem. If you have conditions or you only have prem for some conditions, then you will not succeed. What i mean is that when i ask most people "why they want to jap" . They usually respond with "sukh ,shanti, peace, at ease, no life stresses" ..etc..  These intentions make the process somewhat conditional, and conditions with God don't really help except in infant stages. This is the secret that no one tells you and the reason why 95% of seekers remain stuck.
     
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    HisServant reacted to Sat1176 in The Ringing Sound (Anhad Shabad; Sound Current)   
    Good question @HisServant about sunn. I also am suffering from the same confusion as it happens quite frequently with me as of late. Although I do like to do simran when lying down as body is most comfortable in that position so I can focus purely on the mantar rather than being distracted by uncomfortable body aches. Never the less if I meditate on the train on the way to work in a seated position I also tend to loose awareness for a few minutes at a time.
    Here is something I read in favour of both approaches,. which doesn't make choosing a path to explore any easier. My concern is that lets say we force ourselves to remain aware as we drift into a meditation state. Unless shabad of some kinds is pargat or doesn't become pargat. We will wonder without an anchor point. Everything I have heard to date suggests shabad must be the focal point of the journey inwards.
    Japing until you fall asleep/sunn:
     
    Remaining altert:
    Whenever I teach a beginning meditation course, I talk about the relationship between meditating and falling asleep, for, as you have discovered, they are more closely related than you might think. And certainly closer than we want them to be!
    We tend to think of the three states of consciousness – subconscious sleep, waking consciousness, and superconscious meditation – as linear, with “sub” and “super” nicely separated by the waking state.
    In fact, all three meet at what you might call the horizon line of awareness.
    Meditating and sleep also share certain characteristics. Both involve the cessation of physical action, mental activity, and sensory input. The all-important difference between them is that to enter superconsciousness requires an increase of energy, whereas to enter subconsciousness requires a decrease.
    We go to sleep when our energy has run out. If we are filled with energy — mental or physical — we can’t enter subconsciousness, but have to do something with all that energy before sleep will come.
    One of the challenges of meditation is to learn how to increase our energy in a non-physical, non-mental, totally relaxed way. At first this seems impossible, but gradually we learn. For all the energy we need is already within us. It is a matter of learning how to direct it.
    Another obstacle to entering superconsciousness is that we already have a fixed habit of what to do when we withdraw our energy from body, mind, and senses: we go to sleep.
    What is happening to you (which is common) is that, finding yourself with your energy withdrawn you naturally go where you are accustomed to going, which is sleep, not meditation.
    The key to breaking that cycle is the concentrated application of will power and energy, which makes sleep impossible. Naturally, this takes time to learn.
    In meditation classes, I draw a diagram to illustrate this point. I’ll try to explain it in words here and hope you can see what I mean.
    Think of a capital Y. Now imagine that Y is lying on its side, with the single straight line pointing to the left (as you look at it) and the V opening to the right.
    The leftmost point of that straight line is waking consciousness. When you decide to sleep or to meditate, you travel along that straight line, to the right, closing down as you go all your usual expressions of energy – talking, moving, thinking, hearing, seeing, tasting, feeling, etc. – until you reach the intersection where the V meets the straight line.
    At that point, you have a choice to make. If you continue to decrease your energy, you fall into subconscious sleep. If, however, at that point, through devotion, techniques, concentration, willpower, etc., you increase your energy instead, you go into superconsciousness.
    It’s like watching a movie. When you watch a great movie it is easy to be fully concentrated on it and be full of energy, but if the movie is boring and uninteresting, it’s easy to lose focus and feel sleepy.
    If during the course of your meditation, your energy decreases, you sink back past that junction until you find yourself suddenly on the “low road,” not meditating at all, but dreaming and sleeping.
    The solution is simple. When you find yourself suddenly subconscious, increase your energy through any one of the many methods you have to draw upon in Kriya Yoga or whatever path to Self-realization you are following.
    Eventually, you will create a superconscious habit stronger than your subconscious habit, and this will cease to be a problem for you.
    https://www.ananda.org/ask/ive-been-falling-asleep-while-meditating/
     
    Another form of guidance I read was do bakhari bani until you notice that you speech is becoming less clear, distorted or incomplete. This is the time that one is approaching the sleep juncture. At this point one needs to build more focused concentration on the mantar so that you slip through into mediation and not fall into sleep. The posting I read suggested this would lead to the next level of astral awareness.
    I only once ever recall this happening to me when my surti awoke in a dark place, wondering where I had come. I guess this was the goal all along but I didn't realise it at the time and no one pointed it out to me clearly afterwards.
     
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    HisServant got a reaction from Jageera in Meditation - My Experiance, Am I Allowed To Share?   
    I had a pretty cool experience yesterday that I thought I'd share. I was sitting on a bench in my school's library. It was around 9:50 am and I needed to kill time until 11. Saas Saas was automatically going so I just started following it and focusing on the internal jaap. I started to hear my heartbeat as the mind was getting quieter and then the jaap started to transition to the heartbeat. Eventually, the focus got so strong that I would get absorbed into the jaap, thoughts would stop and I lost awareness of everything around me. Then moments would come where my curiosity would notice what's happening and everything would stop and I'd go back to saas saas. At one point I was absorbed in the heartbeat and it felt like someone lightly punched me around the navel area (this was the only time something other than thoughts caused my focus to break). The focus on the heartbeat was on and off until eventually, it got so strong that I completely knocked out. I woke up around 11:15 feeling so much peace and mental stability.  
    I remember someone posted an analogy where they said the power from baikhri bani is like 1 unit, madhma 100 units, pasanti 1000 units etc. I never understood this but after what happened yesterday I think I know what they meant. 
     
     
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    HisServant got a reaction from Sat1176 in Types of Sleep   
    I've really been confused about this topic for the past few weeks so I thought I would ask about it. I tried looking through other topics but because my knowledge/terminology is limited I kept getting even more confused. Could someone help me understand what the types of sleep are?
     
    I commonly drift into a sleep where there is complete stillness and peace but many gurmukhs have said to try and stay awake/focus on jaap. I recently came across this video and it gives a decent explanation of what happens: 
     
     
    But my question is - is any spiritual progress being made in this sleep? Why don't I hear anything in this sleep? What has to occur on a sukham level for sound to arise? I think the main confusion has to do with the fact that the mind is "still" (while in that sleep) but there is no sound - But I thought sound would be heard when the mind is still. Many other sounds are heard outside of sleep but none of them are true shabad. 
     
    Just as an FYI - these are just questions that I keep having and want to clear them up. I'm not trying to stay in sleep for long periods of time. It happens frequently but I go back to gurmantar as soon as I'm awake. 
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    HisServant got a reaction from BhagatSingh in Meditation - My Experiance, Am I Allowed To Share?   
    I had a pretty cool experience yesterday that I thought I'd share. I was sitting on a bench in my school's library. It was around 9:50 am and I needed to kill time until 11. Saas Saas was automatically going so I just started following it and focusing on the internal jaap. I started to hear my heartbeat as the mind was getting quieter and then the jaap started to transition to the heartbeat. Eventually, the focus got so strong that I would get absorbed into the jaap, thoughts would stop and I lost awareness of everything around me. Then moments would come where my curiosity would notice what's happening and everything would stop and I'd go back to saas saas. At one point I was absorbed in the heartbeat and it felt like someone lightly punched me around the navel area (this was the only time something other than thoughts caused my focus to break). The focus on the heartbeat was on and off until eventually, it got so strong that I completely knocked out. I woke up around 11:15 feeling so much peace and mental stability.  
    I remember someone posted an analogy where they said the power from baikhri bani is like 1 unit, madhma 100 units, pasanti 1000 units etc. I never understood this but after what happened yesterday I think I know what they meant. 
     
     
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    HisServant got a reaction from Singh123456777 in Meditation - My Experiance, Am I Allowed To Share?   
    I had a pretty cool experience yesterday that I thought I'd share. I was sitting on a bench in my school's library. It was around 9:50 am and I needed to kill time until 11. Saas Saas was automatically going so I just started following it and focusing on the internal jaap. I started to hear my heartbeat as the mind was getting quieter and then the jaap started to transition to the heartbeat. Eventually, the focus got so strong that I would get absorbed into the jaap, thoughts would stop and I lost awareness of everything around me. Then moments would come where my curiosity would notice what's happening and everything would stop and I'd go back to saas saas. At one point I was absorbed in the heartbeat and it felt like someone lightly punched me around the navel area (this was the only time something other than thoughts caused my focus to break). The focus on the heartbeat was on and off until eventually, it got so strong that I completely knocked out. I woke up around 11:15 feeling so much peace and mental stability.  
    I remember someone posted an analogy where they said the power from baikhri bani is like 1 unit, madhma 100 units, pasanti 1000 units etc. I never understood this but after what happened yesterday I think I know what they meant. 
     
     
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    HisServant got a reaction from Manrajsingh in Meditation - My Experiance, Am I Allowed To Share?   
    I had a pretty cool experience yesterday that I thought I'd share. I was sitting on a bench in my school's library. It was around 9:50 am and I needed to kill time until 11. Saas Saas was automatically going so I just started following it and focusing on the internal jaap. I started to hear my heartbeat as the mind was getting quieter and then the jaap started to transition to the heartbeat. Eventually, the focus got so strong that I would get absorbed into the jaap, thoughts would stop and I lost awareness of everything around me. Then moments would come where my curiosity would notice what's happening and everything would stop and I'd go back to saas saas. At one point I was absorbed in the heartbeat and it felt like someone lightly punched me around the navel area (this was the only time something other than thoughts caused my focus to break). The focus on the heartbeat was on and off until eventually, it got so strong that I completely knocked out. I woke up around 11:15 feeling so much peace and mental stability.  
    I remember someone posted an analogy where they said the power from baikhri bani is like 1 unit, madhma 100 units, pasanti 1000 units etc. I never understood this but after what happened yesterday I think I know what they meant. 
     
     
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    HisServant reacted to ragnarok in Suggestions for Meditation Techniques   
    Those are quotes from Lucky.
    You can also read this:
     
     
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    HisServant reacted to Lucky in Confused about Kundalini /Rom Rom   
    A non-swimmer can read as many books on how to swim.  Months and years of reading..reading..and reading,  without ever attempting to get in the water, will never help him to swim a length physically. In the same manner, if you don't ever undertake the real practice, then all the readings will be of no use in the end.
     
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    HisServant reacted to Lucky in Those who do not follow Hukam of Guru will go into Joonis..an incident from times of Baba Nand SIngh Ji...Bachans by Baba Ishar Singh Ji   
    FIrst, there are many nishanees that gurbani mentions of WHEN you are out of lakh chaurasi. That is just one stage, it means mukhti from joons. Then there is the complete mukhti, which is when you are merged in Nirankar as if "absolute" -> completely dissolved. 
     
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    HisServant reacted to Lucky in Those who do not follow Hukam of Guru will go into Joonis..an incident from times of Baba Nand SIngh Ji...Bachans by Baba Ishar Singh Ji   
    More so.  Lots of stories and tales from mahapurkhs have the core messages mistranslated and distorted over time. The listener receives the superficial understanding most of the time and has little idea if the gurmat message.   Classic examples like the Ajamal and narayan story give incorrect messages that Ajamal simply uttered "narayan" without any dhyian on akaal purakh and was given a second chance on his near death experience. 
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    HisServant reacted to Lucky in Meditation - My Experiance, Am I Allowed To Share?   
    This is because your flow of prana is imbalanced and getting obstructed in places. In order to understand this, you have to realise that there is 1) Your physical body and 2) your subtle body (sukham) . In order to be enlightened, these have to be in harmony and in sync. That's why, your body is your temple. 
    Whenever the energy accumulations in your sukham sareer get too vast, then they have to transform directly into your physical body. This is why emotions, feelings and states of mind all affect our physical body. Feeling shitty, depressed, stressed leads to popular symptoms of many physical ailments etc. 
    I've repeatedly stressed in the past that it's important to maintain good posture and be seated upright when doing jap. This allows prana to flow more freely.  Also note, that Yoga means to jog, which means to join/merge. True yoga is about the science behind joining your Sukham and physical sareer and to keep them vibrating at equal frequencies. First step is to jog your physical and subtle, your miri and piri, your inner and outer. After this, one can move further in order to jog self-jyot Waheguru jyot.  It's all about how you abolish levels of duality and become more pure in order to merge with Akaal Purakh (joti jot milaayai)
    In my opinion, what you need to do and get stronger with is... focus on prana flowing with saas  by doing the saas graas/saas saas techniques with slight navel pull in and out. Done properly, this should pave the path of flow without sudden obstructions and eruptions. Activate and keep all energy flowing upwards from navel.
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    HisServant reacted to Lucky in Insanity   
    I can't recall where i may have mentioned it, but I have a good idea of what they are. Gurmantar should get you whizzing pass them after a few occasions. Then you move on to some higher planes with different sounds.
     
    No, it's not the sacha shabad yet. Sacha shabad is 24/7 and that's the beauty of it.  My explanation is that these blasts and alternating amplitudes are like breakthrough sounds. Breakthrough meaning, the opening and activating of channels/nadis. These help to make way for the sukhmana naree to awaken.
     
    There are lots of dev loks and heaven planes. As you go higher and higher, the shabad gets closer. Remember that the shabad comes from Nijh Ghar in amritsar(amrit sarover). Don't get too concerned or mixed up into calling it dev lok shabad, because this may cause you some confusion later. You can pm me, and I can tell you my understanding of what level loks you may be at.
    You are just getting some teasers of intoxication yet. Just think what lays ahead?  There will be days and weeks of constant intoxication where you will not sleep and be wanting to meditate 24/7.  These peaks are out of this world, and your mind shall be celebrating "mann vajiyaah vadainyan"  
     
    Excellent. Spoken like a true vadhbaghee. I wouldn't get too wrapped up about going into sunn until your foundations are strong. ....I know, ...I wasted so much time trying to rush into sunn samadhis. You wanna strengthen your foundations with gurmantar and the experiences it takes you through. Later, you'll be able to sit down and get into deep meditative states within seconds by going straight into antarghat.
    I'd recommend practicing rom rom jugtee with pure heart and energy. Once this gets pargat with kirpa, later stages become more controllable.
     
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    HisServant got a reaction from Sat1176 in Insanity   
    Your replies are always so spot on.
     
    I remember you mentioned something about hearing voices and mumbling once (I couldn't find a link to the post). But this has begun as well. But again the mind does not react to the experience. It's a very careless attitude. The voices are just mumbles, it does not seem like there's a meaning behind the message.
     
    Saas giras/saas saas have become so smooth with the breath. All day and night it's on automode. Just like the way the heart beats and the breath flows - gurmantar is on automode. 
     
    Sound starts blasting whenever I'm in a quiet place. Esepcially throughout the night. I talked to a few gurmukhs when I was away and they said this isn't sacha shabad yet. I'm under the assumption that it's dev lok shabad because the mind goes into a satoguni state of mind. But during this time is when the intoxication takes over. 
     
    In katha gurmukhs always mention that once saas giras/saas saas start going day and night, the next stage is for shabad to start. I'm looking forward to seeing what happens in the next few weeks. 
     
    Spending time with sangat and gurmukhs was the best thing I've ever done. Ever since I came back everything has been progressing faster than ever. Going into sunn is so much easier. Life is spent in the present moment and the feelings of shaanti are priceless. The only desire is the desire to go back home and see my father. We need to learn how to live in tregun during the day but go home to our father at night. 
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    HisServant got a reaction from Lucky in Insanity   
    Your replies are always so spot on.
     
    I remember you mentioned something about hearing voices and mumbling once (I couldn't find a link to the post). But this has begun as well. But again the mind does not react to the experience. It's a very careless attitude. The voices are just mumbles, it does not seem like there's a meaning behind the message.
     
    Saas giras/saas saas have become so smooth with the breath. All day and night it's on automode. Just like the way the heart beats and the breath flows - gurmantar is on automode. 
     
    Sound starts blasting whenever I'm in a quiet place. Esepcially throughout the night. I talked to a few gurmukhs when I was away and they said this isn't sacha shabad yet. I'm under the assumption that it's dev lok shabad because the mind goes into a satoguni state of mind. But during this time is when the intoxication takes over. 
     
    In katha gurmukhs always mention that once saas giras/saas saas start going day and night, the next stage is for shabad to start. I'm looking forward to seeing what happens in the next few weeks. 
     
    Spending time with sangat and gurmukhs was the best thing I've ever done. Ever since I came back everything has been progressing faster than ever. Going into sunn is so much easier. Life is spent in the present moment and the feelings of shaanti are priceless. The only desire is the desire to go back home and see my father. We need to learn how to live in tregun during the day but go home to our father at night. 
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    HisServant reacted to Lucky in Insanity   
    What you are trying to describe is explained in gurbani, particularly Anand sahib.  Read carefully from pauris 6 onward and especially pauris 10,11,12 onward.
    In short, the disassociation, the "so what"... "don't give a hoot"  is because of the association with Naam. Getting attached to Naam means getting detached from maya (Emotionally).  When you start getting attached to Naam and start following this connection, then it becomes the beginning of Bhagat path. This is where Anand sahb says "bhagati ki chaal narali"  because a little later in that pauri it says....
    ਖੰਨਿਅਹੁ ਤਿਖੀ ਵਾਲਹੁ ਨਿਕੀ ਏਤੁ ਮਾਰਗਿ ਜਾਣਾ ॥
    Kẖanni▫ahu ṯikẖī vālahu nikī eṯ mārag jāṇā.
    The path they take is sharper than a two-edged sword, and finer than a hair.
    This is similar to the advait vedanta you mentioned above. To walk the path of non-dualism is the very fine line that's not either side of khanda..
     
    I can talk a lot  more about it and I know it's a lengthy period of confusion. When i was feeling similar and at times questioning my own sanity, I became at ease after being reassured by a gurmukh. I was told to ask myself and answer if "My mind felt more purified than previous and less clouded ?"    You should ask yourself the same.   
     
    SPOILER ALERT!!!  Only after your mind becomes more purified, will your own Jyot (Anoop jyot) become pargat. This is also refereed to as "Jhill mill" because it is this jyot saroop of the mnd that "mils" (merges) with Waheguru jyot
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