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​Dhanvaad Khalsa jee.
Dhan Guru Nanak.......tu heen Nirankaar

5 types of Dand:
- Dev Dand
- Raaj Dand
- Rishi Dand
- Pitar Dand
- Jam Dand
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Can someone please provide any information about the different types of Dand (ਢੰਢ)?
Two types that I know are Pitar Dand and Dev Dand, but I don't know, what they are.
Thanks
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Waheguru jee kaa Khalsa
Waheguru jee kee Fateh

Bro, at what time point should we listen?
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Some more tuks which apply to Raja Hari Chand jee.
ਤਿਨਿ ਹਰੀ ਚੰਦਿ ਪ੍ਰਿਥਮੀ ਪਤਿ ਰਾਜੈ ਕਾਗਦਿ ਕੀਮ ਨ ਪਾਈ ॥
Harichand, the king and ruler of his land, did not appreciate the value of his pre-ordained destiny.
ਅਉਗਣੁ ਜਾਣੈ ਤ ਪੁੰਨ ਕਰੇ ਕਿਉ ਕਿਉ ਨੇਖਾਸਿ ਬਿਕਾਈ ॥੨॥
If he had known that it was a mistake, he would not have made such a show of giving in charity, and he would not have been sold in the market. ||2||
 
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https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/murder-hounslow-stabbing-mistaken-identity-b2295233.html
 
Two teens stabbed boy 15 times in ‘cold-blooded’ mistaken identity murder
 
‘I have lost my husband and now I have lost my only child,’ says mother of Rishmeet Singh, whose father was killed by Taliban in 2019
Andy Gregory 13 hours ago   Two teenagers who murdered a 16-year-old in “cold blood” in a case of mistaken identity in west London “stabbed him 15 times while he was defenceless on the floor”, police have said.
Vanushan Balakrishnan and Ilyas Suleiman, who are both aged 18 and are from Waylands and St Jeromes Grove in Hillington respectively, were found guilty on Monday of murdering 16-year-old Rishmeet Singh.
The Old Bailey heard how Rishmeet had left his friends at around 9pm on 24 November 2021 and was walking home after an evening in a park in Southall when he saw two unknown males running towards him.
  Rishmeet immediately ran back towards his friends and shouted “run, run”, but he tripped and fell on Raleigh Road, at which point one of his pursuers stabbed him at least five times in the back.
Moments later, the second male also began to stab Rishmeet, doing so at least 10 times, the Metropolitan Police said. His attackers then fled, leaving Rishmeet bleeding on the ground. The whole attack, from when Rishmeet tripped, lasted 27 seconds, according to the force.
Rishmeet arrived in the UK in October 2019 with his mother and grandmother to seek asylum from Jalalabad in Afghanistan. His father was killed by the Taliban six months prior to that, and shortly afterwards the militants tried to kidnap Rishmeet, forcing the family to flee to the UK.
In a statement, his mother Gulinder said: “Rishmeet was my only child, and he had his whole life ahead of him. No words could ever explain or put into context how I have felt since Rishmeet was taken from us.
“He has been raised with so much love and now he’s gone. I am struggling to understand as to how and why this happened to my baby boy. I feel I have lost everything and my life is over.
“I will never get over losing him in this way. I will not see him grow up into a young man. I will not see him leave college. I will not see him fulfil his aspirations. I will not see him learn to drive. I will not see him fall in love and get married. I will not become a grandmother and see my son grow old. I have been robbed of so many future events.
“Rishmeet was attending college completing a public service course and his ambition was to become a police officer, all he wanted to do was to help people. Rishmeet was well loved by all that knew him, he was a faithful boy and was very caring in his nature.
“I have lost my husband and now I have lost my only child, my son. Justice is finally served for Rishmeet but their sentence will never be enough for me. They have taken my whole life away from me and Rishmeet will never come home again.”
As part of the police’s murder investigation, detectives tracked Rishmeet’s movements both before and after the attack on CCTV, and also found that Balakrishnan and Suleiman – who were aged 17 at the time – spent most of the day at a flat in Austin Road, Southall, with seven other people.
The pair left the flat on bicycles shortly before 9pm, changing the clothes they had been wearing all day, arming themselves with knives, and covering their faces with Covid masks, which the jury heard was in a bid to hide their appearance as they had intended to go out and commit murder, police said.
They cycled to the canal towpath where it is believed they saw Rishmeet say goodbye to his friends on the bridge above and walk off alone, making him an easy target, before dumping their bikes and chasing after him on foot, according to the force.
Police said they were “clearly identifiable” in CCTV footage “from the distinctive clothing and Covid masks they were wearing – including Balakrishnan’s dark trousers with a white stripe behind the knee”.
CCTV showed that they returned to the bridge to collect their bikes, and cycled back to the flat in Austin Road. Analysis of their mobile phones found that Suleiman booked a taxi just before 9:30pm to his home address, and then onto Balakrishnan’s home address, Scotland Yard said.
Balakrishnan was arrested on suspicion of murder at his home address on 2 December 2021, and detectives found lyrics he had written in a notebook and on his phone, some of which described unique features of Rishmeet’s murder.
His phone also showed that he was reading news reports about Rishmeet’s murder, searching on Google only an hour after the murder, including tributes from his family about his good character and their belief that he was stabbed for the fake Gucci pouch he was wearing.
Police said that, on 28 November 2021, Balakrishnan wrote a note on his phone saying: “Saw news statement it says a good yute but he was out with paigons. Stupid media it was a glide not for some stupid s*** he wears.”
A ‘glide’ is slang for entering a rival gang’s territory. However, the court heard that Rishmeet was not in a gang and the defendants were mistaken in their choice of target.
Also on Balakrishnan’s mobile phone was an image of a long knife on his bed with what appears to be blood on it, taken at 10:19pm on the day of the murder. The knives were never recovered by officers.
The court heard that Suleiman went into hiding, having been reported missing by his mother two days after police executed a search warrant at his home address on 2 December 2021. He was eventually arrested at an address in Edgware seven days later.
The pair will be sentenced at the Old Bailey on 28 April.
Detective Inspector Laura Semple said: “Rishmeet was an innocent, young 16-year-old who had his whole life ahead of him. He had just spent an enjoyable evening with his friends and was making the short walk home when he was callously chased down and knifed to death by Balakrishnan and Suleiman.
“Between them, they stabbed him 15 times while he was defenceless on the floor. There is never an excuse to murder someone in cold blood, but this case is made even more tragic by the fact that Rishmeet was wrongly targeted by his attackers.
“Balakrishnan and Suleiman left the flat that day with the intention of ending someone’s life. Poor Rishmeet was simply in the wrong place, at the wrong time. My thoughts remain with Rishmeet’s family and friends, who have shown extraordinary courage throughout, including during the trial where they were forced to re-live Rishmeet’s horrific last moments.”

How sad, it was mistaken identity...
https://www.tribuneindia.com/news/diaspora/sikh-teen-in-uk-was-stabbed-15-times-in-case-of-mistaken-identity-2-convicted-486028
Sikh teen in UK was stabbed 15 times in case of mistaken identity, 2 convicted
Rishmeet Singh was walking home when he saw two unknown males running towards him
  Vanushan Balakrishnan, Ilyas Suleiman and Rishmeet Singh
 
London, March 7
Two teenagers have been found guilty of murdering a 16-year-old Sikh boy who they mistakenly thought belonged to a rival gang in West London.
Vanushan Balakrishnan and Ilyas Suleiman, both 18 year-olds from Hillingdon, were found guilty of murdering Rishmeet Singh, following a trial at the Old Bailey on Monday.
Rishmeet, who came to the UK in October 2019 with his mother and grandmother to seek asylum from Afghanistan, was mistakenly targeted and murdered after being stabbed 15 times while lying defenseless on the ground.
"I have lost my husband and now I have lost my only child, my son. Justice is finally served for Rishmeet but their sentence will never be enough for me. They have taken my whole life away from me and Rishmeet will never come home again," the victim's mother Gulinder said in a statement.
The court heard that on the night of November 24, 2021, Rishmeet was walking home when he saw two unknown males running towards him.
He ran down Raleigh Road, in Southall, where he tripped and fell, according to a Metropolitan Police release.
One of his pursuers then stabbed him at least five times in the back, and the second one stabbed him at least 10 times.
His attackers then fled, leaving his bloodied and injured body on the ground, the Met Police said, adding that the whole attack lasted 27 seconds.
Officers and the London Ambulance Service scrambled to the scene after receiving a 999 call from a member of the public, but despite their best efforts Rishmeet died at the scene.
Enquiries revealed that Balakrishnan and Suleiman dumped their bikes near the bridge and chased after Rishmeet on foot, with Balakrishnan attacking him first followed by Suleiman.
They are captured on CCTV fleeing the scene, and are clearly identifiable from the distinctive clothing and Covid masks they were wearing - including Balakrishnan's dark trousers with a white stripe behind the knee.
While Balakrishnan was arrested on suspicion of murder at his home address on December 2, 2021, Suleiman was held from an address in Edgware on December 9.
The pair will be sentenced at the Old Bailey on April 28, 2023.
 

Waheguru excellent share veer ji 

Waheguru Ji
Video of Sant Darshan Singh Ji Dhakki Sahib coming out of Bhora Sahib after 1 year of Tapasya in 1989
 
Forward to 8:40
 

Thanks for informing us. I have noticed that there is a twitter tidal wave of indian vitriol against the Sikh people as a whole.
I would have to re-read the books of Hari Ram Gupta as I cannot recall these details. It's been a long time since I read them.
But the post itself is a way of our Maratha brothers making themselves feel better because ultimately they were a failure. They had massive armies, outnumbering Sikhs at least threefold. They had superior weapons to the Sikhs, as they began using artillery way before the Sikhs did, as Sikhs were still fighting mainly as cavalry.
What did the Maratha army acheive in the long term? They never managed to hold onto their own stronghold of Maharashtra.
And whats amusing is, that these Maratha supremacists revel in their fights against the Sikhs, of which they won some, but also lost some. Why fight Sikhs who essentially were sons of the soil? This only strengthened the outsider powers. What exactly did they achieve against the British or the Afghans?
 
I'll see if I can look up some info about this over the weekend.

Problem these days is Hindutva supporters want to portray Maratha as Hindutva warriors fighting for Hindu rashtra while the reality is Marathas were more interested in chauth and money rather than fighting for Hinduism. The invasions of Nadir shah , Abdali happened in their time and they did nothing to protect northern india. The rise of Hyder Ali and Tipu Sultan happened in their time in Karnataka and they did nothing. Maratha Rapes of Bengali women is known as bargi atrocities
The Hindu Maratha warriors invaded and occupied western Bengal up to the Hooghly River.[19] During that period of invasion by the Marathas, warriors called as "Bargis", perpetrated atrocities against the local Hindu Bengalis.[19][14] As reported in Burdwan Kingdom's and European sources, the Bargis are said to have plundered villages.[20] The resulting casualties of Bargi onslaught against in Bengal are considered to be among the deadliest massacres in Indian history.[20] According to the 18th-century Bengali text Maharashtra Purana written by Gangaram:[19]
According to the Bengali text Maharashtra Purana:[19]
The Bargi atrocities were corroborated by contemporary Dutch and British accounts.[14] Jan Kersseboom, chief of the Dutch East India Company factory in Bengal, estimated that perhaps around 400,000 people in Bihar and western Bengal were killed in the raids by the Bargis.[21] This devastated Bengal's economy, as many of the people killed included merchants, textile weavers, silk winders, and mulberry cultivators.[17][21] The Cossimbazar factory reported in 1742, for example, that the Bargis burnt down many houses along with weavers' looms.[21]
British writer Robert Orme reported that the Marathas caused so much distress to the local population that many of them "were continually taking flight" in large numbers to Calcutta whenever they heard rumours of the Marathas coming.[17] Many people in western Bengal also fled to take shelter in East Bengal, fearing for their lives in the wake of the Maratha attacks.[22]
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maratha_invasions_of_Bengal
 
   
 

Any definitions for these words?
Kintu 
prantoo
ਸੁਕਿ੍ਤ
ਦੁਕਿ੍ਤ
 

Another meaning 
ਮਾਧੋ ਹਮ ਐਸੇ ਤੂ ਐਸਾ ॥
Māḏẖo ham aise ṯū aisā.
O Lord, this is what we are, and this is what You are.
ਹਮ ਪਾਪੀ ਤੁਮ ਪਾਪ ਖੰਡਨ ਨੀਕੋ ਠਾਕੁਰ ਦੇਸਾ ॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥
Ham pāpī ṯum pāp kẖandan nīko ṯẖākur ḏesā. Rahā▫o.
We are sinners, and You are the Destroyer of sins. Your abode is so beautiful, O Lord and Master. ||Pause||
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Glad to have you back veer ji

Was just thinking of you bro. 

WJKK WJKF to all!
Its been a long time since I visited or commented, as I rarely have anything new to comment lol.
But I found this katha of Sri Gur Bilas Patshahi Chhevin on Soundcloud:
 
https://on.soundcloud.com/dSKJP
 
I've listened to the first part so far, and its really good.

Excellent

@dalsingh101
There are two major Amrtivelas in a day. The first Pehar of night and the last Pehar of night. Sri Reharaas saab is suppose to be done during the First Pehar of the night, while the morning Nitnem (or Naam Simran) should be done during last Pehar of the night. Bhai Chaupa Singh Rehatnama talks about them.
IMHO, each Pehar unit changes with season. So in winter, each of the 4 Pehars of the night would be small. For example, if sunset is at 9 pm and the sunrise (the next morning) is at 5 am, then for that particular night, each Pehar of night would be of 2 hrs. 
 
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@dalsingh101
There are two major Amrtivelas in a day. The first Pehar of night and the last Pehar of night. Sri Reharaas saab is suppose to be done during the First Pehar of the night, while the morning Nitnem (or Naam Simran) should be done during last Pehar of the night. Bhai Chaupa Singh Rehatnama talks about them.
IMHO, each Pehar unit changes with season. So in winter, each of the 4 Pehars of the night would be small. For example, if sunset is at 9 pm and the sunrise (the next morning) is at 5 am, then for that particular night, each Pehar of night would be of 2 hrs. 
 
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@dalsingh101
There are two major Amrtivelas in a day. The first Pehar of night and the last Pehar of night. Sri Reharaas saab is suppose to be done during the First Pehar of the night, while the morning Nitnem (or Naam Simran) should be done during last Pehar of the night. Bhai Chaupa Singh Rehatnama talks about them.
IMHO, each Pehar unit changes with season. So in winter, each of the 4 Pehars of the night would be small. For example, if sunset is at 9 pm and the sunrise (the next morning) is at 5 am, then for that particular night, each Pehar of night would be of 2 hrs. 
 
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https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/feb/21/seattle-ban-caste-based-discrimination
 
 

@Premi
Given what I've seen, and how apnay transport their caste structures into the diaspora, I think it's good that there is legislation and awareness against this outside. 

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2023/feb/18/a-disease-caste-discrimination-in-australia-is-on-the-rise-but-some-are-fighting-back
‘A disease’: Caste discrimination in Australia is on the rise – but some are fighting back
 
  Karishma Luthria Fri 17 Feb 2023 19.00 GMT       When Rakesh Kumar migrated to Australia from Punjab in India 16 years ago, the discrimination followed him. Before he could even enter the house he would be staying in he was asked: “What is your caste?”
“I said I’m Chamar,” Kumar says. The term is a Punjabi equivalent of the Dalit caste.
  With India now the third most common birthplace of Australian residents, according to the 2021 census, and with migration from south Asia on the rise, many are worried about caste discrimination escalating in Australia.
    The Hindu caste system, which is assigned at birth and determines occupations and social status, is made up of four tiers, with Brahmins or priests and teachers at the top and Dalits at the bottom. Dalits are often tasked with scavenging and street cleaning, are considered “untouchable” and are outcast from Indian society.
Questions about Kumar’s caste followed him into his career. He now manages a team at a Melbourne logistics company.
In 2013, Kumar says, he bought a car with a number plate that read chamar “so that no one asks me”.
Kumar, who has a career as a logistics manager, subverted a trend among upper-caste south Asians who flaunt their status on Australian number plates: “When I tell them my caste with pride, people feel ashamed, they realise they did something wrong.”
  Kumar has experienced discrimination at work. Photograph: Penny Stephens/The Guardian
Despite his professional success he has still been discriminated against. He once overheard a colleague suggesting that he had only progressed so far because his mother or grandmother must have slept with someone from a higher caste.“That was the worst experience I had,” Kumar says.
It was after this incident that Kumar’s organisation received an email from an unknown source, requesting that the company only hire people of higher castes.
For others, the discrimination is not so direct.
Aparna Ramteke, a Sydney recruitment consultant, has been in professional situations where those around her engage in banter about castes. If someone is excluded from a conversation they might say: “Am I an untouchable? Don’t treat me like an untouchable.”
“They don’t know that I belong to that community, or that there might be others who might be from the community,” she says. “So even though they might be just joking around it’s actually singling out the community.
“It really puts you down. You feel a bit guilty about your identity.”
South and central Asian countries now form the largest group of new migrants to Australia, according to the Australian Bureau of Statistics. In 2018-19 and 2021-22 the region accounted for 28% and 32% of new arrivals respectively.
A professor of law at Melbourne University, Beth Gaze, says: “With the expansion of our subcontinental community I think it’s inevitable that [caste discrimination] is going to turn into a major problem in Australia. And I don’t think we can address other forms of racism without taking account of that.”
Vaibhav Gaekwad, a sustainability professional, says the reason there is little awareness about caste in Australia is because the south Asian community is dominated by upper or oppressor castes who deny the existence of discrimination.
“They occupy key decision-making positions in public and private sectors,” Gaekwad says. “They will always claim that this type of discrimination does not exist.

Maybe if groomers are 'banged to rights' but unfortunately (looking at the US) these types of systems can be abused and skewed like using them in racialised ways or executing people who've done political acts like Udham Singh. You just have to have a right wing government in for this to happen.
What happens is that 'the system' contorts the laws to target some groups over others inline with their objectives and to spread fear in certain communities.    Certain people have long standing form for this......
 

 
 

I think you hit on it. You take people out in the act, or keep em locked up, but it does also have to do with the systems and resources available.