Kaur10

I'm in UP right now and Muslims are being treated as second class citizens here.
Muslims and their Quran has lots of shortcomings but still No One has the right to openly disrespect religious feelings of millions of people.

Wjkk wjkf veer ji first of all welcome to this great forum as this is your first post on here.
 
Taking off your kara is not a good idea especially if you have taken Amrit. I wonder if you can contact the Sikh Helpline in the Uk as i am sure they can help a lot in these cases. So let us know what country you are based in.
 
Also i am posting a katha link of Panj kakar by Sant Baba Kartar Singh Ji Bhindrawale
 

Don’t remember, only remember he became bear in next life. May be someone else could help here! 
i done google search but could not find that Saakhi. 
I realised it is VERY DISRESPECTFUL TO GIVE NON-VEG PET PRASAAD. 

https://www.sikhsangat.com/index.php?/topic/31978-the-liberated-dancing-bear/
 
@GurjantGnostic yeah, you are right veer. 

there is new book published in English 'Naam Simran Dian Jugtian'. It has the translation of above video where Maharaj ji explains meditation techniques.
https://www.santisharsinghji.com/product/naam-simran-dian-jugtian/

Thanks Neo veerji,

I came to know the following techniques by Sant Baba Isher Singh Ji. Could you please guide me to source (Devan OR Atmik Bachan OR Diary)? I know the source of 1, 2 techniques......1st is from Baba Ji's diary and 2nd is from Babaji Atmik Bachan...................but I do NOT know about 3rd and 4th technique..................moreover is there any comparison for these techniques by Sant Baba Isher Singh Ji:

- Techniques given by sant baba isher singh ji rara sahib waley (sub branch of bhai dya singh samparda)

Jap(meditation) is also done by: SOURCE By Atmik Bachan


1. Baikri Bani- When one recites naam with javan(tongue), hout(lips), khaieyal(thoughts) that is called Baikari Bani.

2. Madhma Bani- When one recites naam in Kant(throat) without moving lips...just with the thoughts is called Madhma Bani.

3. Pasanti Bani- When one recites naam in hirda(heart).

4. Para Bani- When one recites naam in Nabhi(Navel) without moving tongue and with the thoughts. In this stage vahiguroo naam gets infused in rom rom of the body. Meditation goes in automatic mode. There is no need for concentration.

Gurmukh Rom Rom Har Dhavaie ||

After 4th stage, one gets to very high stage. Where one can hear(jap-resonance,dhuni) with their surati in pretty much everything in this creation ie- walls, birds, leafs, animals, human being, even from realms (bhramands).

Dharat Patal Akash Hai Meri Jindaeriye
Sab Har Har Naam Dhavaiya Ram ||

2nd technique: SOURCE By Babaji's Diary


Va Va Da Abhyaas Nabhi Ch Karo
(Doing Simran of Va Va on Nabhi/Navel )

Hi Hi Di Awaaz Hiradaie Ch
(Doing Simran of hi hi on the heart)


Gu Gu Kant ch Karo
(Doing Simran Gu on the kant/near throat)

And

Ru Ru Di Awaaz Mastaak mai Ratan Kartaie Hoye Birti Kou Nirgun Atma Mein Lin Kar Duo

(Doing Simran Ru Ru on the Mastaak/third eye)

So its a cycle - Va ( on Nabhi) Hi(on heart) Gu (on Kant) Ru(On Mastak/third eye).

Thats one cycle....I dont know...this cycle or stage explained in the book is the first intial stage to the simran or second last stage in simran....

3rd technique: SOURCE By Sant Baba Isher Singh JI ?????


This is also included in Soraj Parkash Granth.

According to a prasang(divan) on chapter of mata ajeeto kaur reaching enlightment. Mata ajeto kaur was under guidance of siri guroo gobind singh where she was taught all the "YOG SADHNA/Shabad Surat Marg where chakras are used", when mata ji did yog sadhna, when her birthi(dhyaan) reached - Trikurti/3rd eye..she started seeing the future e.g. the besiegement of Sri Anandpur Sahib, leaving the kila etc and the shaheedia of the char sahibjadey. After seeing this in a dream she asked Guru Gobind Singh jee whether this was true, Guru Sahib confirmed this.

Mata jee then told guru jee that she could not see all this pain happen and would rather die/ leave for Sachkand and asked permission to leave her body. Guru Sahib jee granted her permission and subsequently she did ishnaan, a Sukhmani Sahib da Paath and then left her body by reciting the mantar and with that mantar taking her prana on top and realising it via bhram randar nari( subtle vein) through dasam dwara.

4th technique: SOURCE By Sant Baba Isher Singh JI ?????

First concentrate on Sargun saroop of Vahiguroo while reciting shabad ie- Gur Ki Morat Man mein dhyaan Guru Ka shabad mantar man maan

then after mind becomes subtle, that shabad will automatically take you upper realms and that shabad will infuse in your surat


Thanks in advance
Das

Another way of doing taught by raj yogi siriman baba attar singh ji maharaj maustanaisahib.


Method of Nam - Simran (Meditation) -

Feel the presence of the Almighty within, with full faith and devotion, recite the Divine Name with the tongue in the beginning - the lips and the tongue continue gently moving up and down and slowly go on uttering 'Waheguru', 'Waheguru' at a stretch with love and attention; then by and by continue uttering 'Waheguru', 'Waheguru', gently with the tip of the tongue touching the palate and the lips remaining almost still; in the third stage with breathing - 'Wahe' should go along with the breath while inhaling and 'Guru' should emerge alongwith the breath while exhaling.

"Bahar Bhitter Eko Janaho Eh Gur giam Batai" (684)



By reciting the Divine Name in this way and after continuous intense meditation, the fourth stage is bestowed upon the searcher in which the Divine word and the devoted mind become one and merge.

"Kabir Too Too Karta To Hoohaa Mujh Meh Raha Na Hoohn.

Jab Aappa Par Ka Mit Gayaa Jat Dekhau tat Too" (1375)

But the essential requirement of all these steps of Nam-Simran is that one should do it realizing the presence of Akal Purakh within and every where.

"Gur Kee Murat Mun Meh Dhiaan.

Gur Kae Shabad Mantar Mun Maan.

Gur Kae Charan Ridae Lae Dharon.

Gur Parbrehm Sada Namaskaro" (864)

I was just reading personal dairy of sant baba isher singh ji rara sahib..its called Ishwar Amolak...found out this paragraph interesting regarding Naam Simran.

This is one of many ways explained by baba isher singh ji...I ll find more techniques and post it on this thread.

Va Va Da Abhyaas Nabhi Ch Karo
(Doing Simran of Va Va on Nabhi/Navel )

Hi Hi Di Awaaz Hiradaie Ch
(Doing Simran of hi hi on the heart)


Gu Gu Kant ch Karo
(Doing Simran Gu on the kant/near throat)

And

Ru Ru Di Awaaz Mastaak mai Ratan Kartaie Hoye Birti Kou Nirgun Atma Mein Lin Kar Duo

(Doing Simran Ru Ru on the Mastaak/third eye)

So its a cycle - Va ( on Nabhi) Hi(on heart) Gu (on Kant) Ru(On Mastak/third eye).

Thats one cycle....I dont know...this cycle or stage explained in the book is the first intial stage to the simran or second last stage in simran....

https://www.sikhsangat.com/index.php?/topic/31978-the-liberated-dancing-bear/
 
@GurjantGnostic yeah, you are right veer. 

Don’t remember, only remember he became bear in next life. May be someone else could help here! 
i done google search but could not find that Saakhi. 
I realised it is VERY DISRESPECTFUL TO GIVE NON-VEG PET PRASAAD. 

Yeah the links are working, just need to scroll down. 
i would stop giving her prasaad and try to give her veg diet. It would be difficult to give well balanced veg diet in the beginning, would see how it goes. Always worth trying. 
 
@GurjantGnostic do you mean where a Sikh was rushing to get Prasad and other Sikh said ‘ kio richh vaangu tappi jaanda ‘ and he became bear in the next life due to bachans. 

Yeah the links are working, just need to scroll down. 
i would stop giving her prasaad and try to give her veg diet. It would be difficult to give well balanced veg diet in the beginning, would see how it goes. Always worth trying. 
 
@GurjantGnostic do you mean where a Sikh was rushing to get Prasad and other Sikh said ‘ kio richh vaangu tappi jaanda ‘ and he became bear in the next life due to bachans. 

Veer ji the links are working but you just have to scroll down the page links. But i can copy and paste the messages if you want bro.

Don't they give that dude's father Prashad when his father returns as bear?

Apologies, could not find the right section to post this question!
My dog eats the usual pet food (non-veg) but very calm and good breed (bichon).  Sometimes when I am doing Naam simran sitting on the bed in the evening, she enters my room and sits on the floor quietly.  I cover her head and let her listen.  
I always close my door when doing Nitnem and Naam Simran in the morning (on the floor). 
On Sundays, I give her Karah-Prasad on a clean kitchen towel, thinking she would benefit from it.  
Am I doing right or wrong? Someone who owns a pet would better understand what I am doing and why ?

@Kaur10Hanji Bhen Ji. Dass did a quick Google search on this topic and found a few results from Gurmatbibek forum as they have very strict Bibek Gursikhs which should help answer the question.
 
https://gurmatbibek.com/forum/read.php?3,6909
 
https://gurmatbibek.com/forum/read.php?3,10260
 
https://gurmatbibek.com/forum/read.php?3,5047
 
 

Apologies, could not find the right section to post this question!
My dog eats the usual pet food (non-veg) but very calm and good breed (bichon).  Sometimes when I am doing Naam simran sitting on the bed in the evening, she enters my room and sits on the floor quietly.  I cover her head and let her listen.  
I always close my door when doing Nitnem and Naam Simran in the morning (on the floor). 
On Sundays, I give her Karah-Prasad on a clean kitchen towel, thinking she would benefit from it.  
Am I doing right or wrong? Someone who owns a pet would better understand what I am doing and why ?

ਤਪੋਬਣ ਬਾਰੇ ਸੰਗਤਾਂ ਦਾ EXPERIENCE | SANGAT VIEWS ABOUT TAPOBAN | TAPOBAN DHAKKI SAHIB
 
 

Waheguru Ji
 
Bhai Kahn Singh's house, 'Virjesh Bhavan,' in Nabha. Here, he completed his magnum opus, the Mahan Kosh.

 
Guruduwara Nagina Ghat on the bank of the Godavari river, c 1930.

 
ਮੂਛਨ ਪਰ ਤਿਨ ਦੀਨੋ ਤਾਉ । ਕਹਯੋ ਨਗਾਰਾ ਦੇਹੁ ਬਜਾਉ ।੨੦। 
He twisted his moustaches (in a gesture of self- confidence) and ordered 'Strike the battle-drum.'

 

 
Watercolor painting of Darbar Sahib, c. 1860

 
A rear view of Takhat Hazoor Sahib c.1895

 

 
Harmandir Sahib - the Golden Temple of Amritsar, 1833

 
Source: twitter link
 

@Ragmaala same here veer!

Me too, I have HUGE RESPECT for MAHARAJ JI. 
THEIR BACHANS SHOWS GOD IS ONE, REAL SAINTS HAVE SAME PERSONALITIES, ALL OF THEIR BACHANS HAVE THE SAME MEANING, THEY ARE ALL VERY ‘NIRLEP’ and everything else Sukhmani Sahib paori states about Brahmgyani !
 
In earlier days I was feeling guilty because I noticed myself getting addicted listening to their BACHANS as I have always considered BABA ISHER SINGH JI RARA SAHIB WALE AS MY GURU WHO HAS SOWN SEED OF PARMATAMA LOVE IN MY HEART.  BABA ISHER SINGH JI IS THE ONE WHOM I SAW AS MY FIRST PHYSICAL GURU ON THIS EARTH. Then I got my answer from MAHARAJ JI’s videos that IT IS PARMATMA WHO IS DOING THESE BACHANS VIA him AND SANGAT IS LOVING him.  It is not him but HIM (GOD). 
 
I also found other babas doing TV/stage shows fake. 
 
We are all blessed who have found MAHARAJ JI , ENJOYING THEIR BACHANS and doing NAAM KAMAI NOW. 
 
I really wanted to visit them during my next India trip, rest is WAHEGURU’s will. 

Is here anyone else who listens to PREMANAND MAHARAJA JI on You Tube daily? I am finding answers to my questions in their parvachans.  THEY ARE TRUE LIVING SAINT and say Universal TRUTH that aligns with SIKH religion too. 
 

ਬਾਣੀ ਅਤੇ ਵਚਨਾਂ ਤੋਂ ਪਤਾ ਲੱਗ ਜਾਂਦਾ ਕੇ ਉਹ ਪਰਮਾਤਮਾਂ ਨੂੰ ਮਿਲੇ ਹੋਏ ਨੇ, ਬਹੁਤ ਹੀ ਨਿਮਰਤਾ ਹੈ ਉਹਨਾਂ ਵਿੱਚ. 
Apart from talking about Bhagti marg , they openly talk about current 'KAAM' issues faced by youngsters like live-in relationships, physical relations before marriage, marriage issues and yesterday's video include gay/lesbian topic.  They told that there is a need for these topic to be discussed openly to help people in kalyug. 
If anyone is looking for some answer, try to search their videos on you tube (Bhajan Marg channel)