zereraz

Hi, do you know where this puratan saroop of Guru Granth Sahib is?
Thanks a lot for the share!

SSA

Thought this might be useful to share.
Often when reading Gurbani we come across terms from the Indic Tradition which, for those of us who have been born/raised outside India, are not familiar. For example, ਅਠਸਠ ਤੀਰਥ (68 pilgrimage sites) or ਚਾਰ ਖਾਣੀਆ (four sources of creation/life). Here is an extract from Bhai Manmohan Singh’s 8-Volume ‘Sri Guru Granth Sahib : English & Panjabi Translation’ on the definition of a lot of these terms.
IKT terms in SGGS.pdf
Source : Sangat Santhiya Facebook group.
https://www.facebook.com/groups/339230870524950/permalink/351783752602995/

I just know of Ongkaar and Ekangkaar, first heard it here, not sure if same ones you are looking for
Some notes I took from this video
ੴ  
ikOankaar
(to understand ^)
ekankaar, oankaar
ਏਕਮ ਏਕੰਕਾਰੁ ਨਿਰਾਲਾ ॥
ekam eka(n)kaar niraalaa
(the one is unique)
ਅਮਰੁ ਅਜੋਨੀ ਜਾਤਿ ਨ ਜਾਲਾ ॥
amar ajonee jaat na jaalaa ||
(undying, unborn, no caste, no entanglements)
ਅਗਮ ਅਗੋਚਰੁ ਰੂਪੁ ਨ ਰੇਖਿਆ ॥
agam agochar roop na rekhiaa ||
(unreachable, unfathomable/incomprehensible, no form, no features)
ਖੋਜਤ ਖੋਜਤ ਘਟਿ ਘਟਿ ਦੇਖਿਆ ॥
khojat khojat ghaT ghaT dhekhiaa ||
(searching and searching I found it in each and every heart)
ik is everywhere but no form
(from Shabad Ramkali(raag), Dakhni Onkar, Ramkali Dakhni)
ਪ੍ਰਭੁ ਨੇੜੈ ਹਰਿ ਦੂਰਿ ਨ ਜਾਣਹੁ ਏਕੋ ਸ੍ਰਿਸਟਿ ਸਬਾਈ ॥
prabh neRai har dhoor na jaanahu eko sirasaT sabaiee ||
(God is near, don't think it as far away, that one permeates all creation)
ਏਕੰਕਾਰੁ ਅਵਰੁ ਨਹੀ ਦੂਜਾ ਨਾਨਕ ਏਕੁ ਸਮਾਈ ॥੫॥
eka(n)kaar avar nahee dhoojaa naanak ek samaiee ||5||
(there is only oneness there is no other, Nanak say's merge into the one)
Monotheistic - one god and human like characteristics
Pantheism(oankaar ~ aum) - god is everywhere, everything
Guru Nanak Dev Ji Merged both, unifying, Ik is same as Pantheistic picture, neither Monotheism, nor Pantheism, closest is Panentheism.
One is everywhere but not dependent on universe, an own individuality. This is the full picture given by ੴ  . This makes the 2 symbols merged.
What is Oankaar?
comes from Om, Aum, ॐ
Trimurty (creator, sustainer, destroyer)
Oang, primal sound, primal vibration form, initial form of universe beingless form, Physical manifestation of non-physical, Oankaar is physical manifestation of Ekankaar.
From nothingness(ekankaar, nirgun) to all(onkaar, sargun). Oankaar is continuing even now, all that there is and expansion.
 
SSA

I just know of Ongkaar and Ekangkaar, first heard it here, not sure if same ones you are looking for
Some notes I took from this video
ੴ  
ikOankaar
(to understand ^)
ekankaar, oankaar
ਏਕਮ ਏਕੰਕਾਰੁ ਨਿਰਾਲਾ ॥
ekam eka(n)kaar niraalaa
(the one is unique)
ਅਮਰੁ ਅਜੋਨੀ ਜਾਤਿ ਨ ਜਾਲਾ ॥
amar ajonee jaat na jaalaa ||
(undying, unborn, no caste, no entanglements)
ਅਗਮ ਅਗੋਚਰੁ ਰੂਪੁ ਨ ਰੇਖਿਆ ॥
agam agochar roop na rekhiaa ||
(unreachable, unfathomable/incomprehensible, no form, no features)
ਖੋਜਤ ਖੋਜਤ ਘਟਿ ਘਟਿ ਦੇਖਿਆ ॥
khojat khojat ghaT ghaT dhekhiaa ||
(searching and searching I found it in each and every heart)
ik is everywhere but no form
(from Shabad Ramkali(raag), Dakhni Onkar, Ramkali Dakhni)
ਪ੍ਰਭੁ ਨੇੜੈ ਹਰਿ ਦੂਰਿ ਨ ਜਾਣਹੁ ਏਕੋ ਸ੍ਰਿਸਟਿ ਸਬਾਈ ॥
prabh neRai har dhoor na jaanahu eko sirasaT sabaiee ||
(God is near, don't think it as far away, that one permeates all creation)
ਏਕੰਕਾਰੁ ਅਵਰੁ ਨਹੀ ਦੂਜਾ ਨਾਨਕ ਏਕੁ ਸਮਾਈ ॥੫॥
eka(n)kaar avar nahee dhoojaa naanak ek samaiee ||5||
(there is only oneness there is no other, Nanak say's merge into the one)
Monotheistic - one god and human like characteristics
Pantheism(oankaar ~ aum) - god is everywhere, everything
Guru Nanak Dev Ji Merged both, unifying, Ik is same as Pantheistic picture, neither Monotheism, nor Pantheism, closest is Panentheism.
One is everywhere but not dependent on universe, an own individuality. This is the full picture given by ੴ  . This makes the 2 symbols merged.
What is Oankaar?
comes from Om, Aum, ॐ
Trimurty (creator, sustainer, destroyer)
Oang, primal sound, primal vibration form, initial form of universe beingless form, Physical manifestation of non-physical, Oankaar is physical manifestation of Ekankaar.
From nothingness(ekankaar, nirgun) to all(onkaar, sargun). Oankaar is continuing even now, all that there is and expansion.
 
SSA

Brother, 
if it could be helpful somehow, following is some information which I found on the net and would like to share with the sangat here.
 
Different words for the same and different ideas. Ekankar is a simplified version of other
words which can also have slightly different meanings and across different teachings.
This post is a bit rough and covers a lot of ground. However given the refs and the subject matter I think it's still worth posting. Someone might find it just the ticket one day for their own research.
I suppose and title could be "don;t make rash assumptions. Ideas come from Knowledge, both inner and outer imho, in balance. Helps to get the basic knowledge accurate first, as hard as that can be sometimes. Wrong information leads to premature and incorrect conclusions.
During the time of Nanak and the establishment of Sikhism various languages and semantics
developed for the symbol ? , pronounced Ek Onkar, is the symbol that is used to represents the
"One Supreme Reality" or "One God."
Ik Onkar (Gurmukhi: ?, ??? ??????; Ikk Oankar Punjabi pronunciation: [?k? o??ka?]) is the
symbol that represents the One Supreme Reality and is a central tenet of Sikh religious
philosophy.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ik_Onkar
It has been represented as, or confused with, variant phrases such as:
Ik Onkar,
Ik Ong Kar,
Ik Oankaar,
Ek Oankar,
Ek Oankaar,
Ek Aumkaar,
Ek Onkar,
Ek Ong Kar,
Ek Om Kar,
EK-ANKAR,
Ekankar,
Ekankaar,
Ekangkar,
Ekanakar and others.
These words don't necessarily mean the same thing, and can vary in meaning in different contexts.
But Marman suggests in his book:
"Sukhmani should be of particular interest to modern day followers of Eckankar, Sant Mat, and
Radhasoami. The connection with Eckankar is especially strong. The Sukhmani opens with this
line: "Ek Onkar Sat Guru Prasad."
This means: "The One Reality - realized through the grace of the True Guru."
Some translations spell it this way: "Ekankar Sat Guru Prasad."
http://spiritualdialogues.com/books/sukhmani-the-secret-of-inner-peace/
I can't see other translations spelling it that way. Though sometimes 'Ek Onkar' could be
spelled 'Ekankar' they don't use the latter in this mantra. However no one else except Marman seems to spell it that way, so it's probably not correct.
Search for this Marman phrase of "Ekankar Sat Guru Prasad" (placing the "exact phrase" in
quotes) Google search which gives the following 6 results:
https://www.google.com.au/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q="Ekankar+Sat+Guru+Prasad"
See? No one except for Marman spells the phrase Ik Ong Kar or Ek Onkar as "Ekankar" in
the Sihk term:  "Ik Ong Kar Sat Gur Prasad" or "Ek Onkar Sat Guru Prasad"!!!
In fact the more common spelling today seems to be "Ek Ong Kar Sat Gur Prasad"
In Google it brings about 27,600 results
https://www.google.com.au/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q="Ek+Ong+Kar+Sat+Gur+Prasad"
Unless one has a good knowledge of various languages and faiths, it's best not to rush to fast
ahead. Many things that 'sound' similar may not be the very same thing, and so inaccurate
connections can be made where none exists.
---
The following may help to show how complex these words and meanings can be.
Another translation for 'Ek Onkar Sat Gur Prasad' goes:
"There is one Creator of all Creation.  All is a blessing of the One Creator.  This realization comes through Guru's Grace."
http://www.spiritvoyage.com/mantra/Ek-Ong-Kar-Sat-Gur-Prasad/MAN-000028.aspx
Guru Nanak spread a simple message of "Ek Ong Kar": we are all one, created by the "One
Creator of all Creation." This was at a time when India was being torn apart by castes,
sectarianism, religious factions, and fanaticism.
He aligned with no religion, and respected all religions. He expressed the reality that there
is one God and many paths, and the Name of God is Truth, "Sat Nam".
https://www.sikhiwiki.org/index.php/Gurudwara_Dashmesh_Darbar_Sahib#About_Sikhism
This symbol ? pronounced Ek Onkar is the symbol that is used to represent the "One Supreme
Reality" or "One God."
https://www.sikhiwiki.org/index.php/Ek_Onkar
"Ek Oankaar" |? means There is only One God
Ek = One
There is but one God, the Sole Supreme Being, the Ultimate Reality.
https://www.sikhiwiki.org/index.php/Mool_Mantar
So in this primary sense Ik Ong Kar / Ek Onkar typically means: the Sole Supreme Being, or One
Supreme Reality, or One God, or the One Reality, or the Ultimate Reality, and One Creator of
all Creation.
So, basically this idea by Marman of "Ekankar Sat Guru Prasad" isn't really correct at all.
Plus when Marman suggests: "The resemblance to Eckankar is no accident. Paul Twitchell derived the name for  his modern teaching from this phrase."
That claim too doesn't appear to stand up to investigation.
On Sikhnet they suggest Ekankar can mean something different:
"In this state He was Nirgun (without any attributes) or Nirankar (without any dimensional
manifestations).
"There is another representation of God in Nirgun state mentioned as Ekankar where singularity
of God is emphasised in mathematical sense. The numeral one or 1 or Ek Ank (eyk AMk) is used
as a representation of the oneness of God by calling transcendent God as Ekankar (eykMkwr).
"The numeral one or Ik signifies the formless (Nirankar) as Ekankar immediately prior to
ordering (Kawaao) or just before willing the creation of the physical universes.  
Bhai Gurdas elaborates this process of creation (Vaar 26.2)
"From the Nirankar (formless) state (He) moved towards the infinite Ekankar state.
 From this Ekankaar the Oankar syllable sound helped create shapes."
http://fateh.sikhnet.com//Sikhnet/discussion.nsf/SearchView/E7A41A235FC1861D87256BA10061A53E!
OpenDocument

Ek Oankar cosists of two components:
Numeral One (refered to as Ekankar in SGGS) e.g.
Prabh bhave ta kre visthar, Prabh bhave ta Ekankar.(Gauri Sukhmani)
Oora charachter with open top and hora attached (referred to as Oankar) as in the composition
Oankar in Ramkali Dakhani Rag.
The two components joined together in the Ek Oankar or Beej Mantar as it is called does not
simply mean God is one. This is too simplistic.
http://fateh.sikhnet.com//sikhnet/discussion.nsf/78f5a2ff8906d1788725657c00732d6c/E9F19F0D0D81E07587256CBD005A70AD!OpenDocument
---
One of Marman's sources for translations and Sikhism beliefs is
Prof Devinder Singh Chahal, PhD, Institute for Understanding Sikhism who says:
The symbol ?  it is pronounced by many Sikh theologians as 'Ek Oankaar' or 'Ek Aumkaar'
because they consider the open 'Oora' is the abbreviation of 'Oankaar' used in Gurbani.
Many Sikh scholars relate 'Oankaar' to 'Aum' according to Vedic and Vedantic philosophy.
This paper presents the findings of our continuous research into the meanings of the logo,
< , coined by Guru Nanak.
Here it has been fully documented that < stands for:
 'Ek Oh Beant' (One and Only, Oh, Infinite).
The first part # is generally pronounced by many Sikh
theologians and scholars as eyku EAMkwru (Ek Oankaar) or
eyku Emkwr (Ek Aumkaar).
To pronounce / as eyku EAMkwru or eykMkwru (Ek Oankaar
or Ekankaar) cannot be justified based on the fact that a
Bani at pages 929-938 in AGGS is entitled as EAMkwru
(Oankaar). If Guru Nanak can use EAMkwru in this Bani
then he would have used it also in the Commencing
Verse in place of / . Or # (Open Oora) could have
been used in place of EAMkwru in rest of the Bani, but it is
not so. Therefore, # (Open Oora) is entirely different
than EAMkwru (Oankaar) or EMmkwru (Aumkaar) in meaning
as well as in pronunciation. Besides / cannot be
pronounced as eyku EAMkwru or eykMkwru (Ek Oankaar or
Ekankaar) under any circumstances.
 
If anybody needs more information, this is the link :
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.religion.eckankar/8dhAk9F6-II
 
* The above presentation on the net is quite acceptable, yet if you ask my opinion, I would say, that Ikoankar means the one Creator Satnam, and while in Ikangkar, could very well be, The One, with one part /organ/limb, which is the Naad, the Shabad, the Nam, the Amrit Bani resounding throughout the creation, so the one with that Oneness, is none other than Waheguru Akal Purukh, so necessarily, it refers to that Primal Truth, the source of everything that exists throughout all the gross, subtle and spiritual realms, which is Satnam, as seen in the very begining in the Bani:
Ik Oankar Satnam.
 
SSA.

Dass is really happy to see you as a member on here as this website is like a second home for me. Dass is glad to share as there not many people who want to learn about simran and the stages linked with it. 
 
Its really good veer ji that this site helped build up your simran and concentration as its really hard to find the right sangat especially on the message boards like this site.
 
Dass will also liked to recommend a few books on bhagati and simran by Bhai Ragbir Singh Ji Bir such as Bandgi Nama they have written a lot about this subject.
 
Here is a few more links with good book lists
 
 

Thank you so much for the beautiful message filled with blessings, love and gyaan. You are absolutely correct in every line that you said. May we all keep getting more Naam daan.
You are exactly right about deep love, may it keep growing and we jaap naam with more and more love. As you said he is more eager, Bhai Gurdas Ji had these beautiful lines
 
 
Akal Sahai
 
Thank you so much for welcoming me here on this great site and linking the thread, will go over all the gyaan. Will keep adding more info as I learn.
 
This forum helped me since past many months when I was beginning my practical journey, many of this Sangat's past posts helped me in the journey and will remain ever grateful.
Guru Ki Saji Nivaji Guru Khalsa Roop Pyaari Sadh Sangat Ji Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh

Thank you so much for the beautiful message filled with blessings, love and gyaan. You are absolutely correct in every line that you said. May we all keep getting more Naam daan.
You are exactly right about deep love, may it keep growing and we jaap naam with more and more love. As you said he is more eager, Bhai Gurdas Ji had these beautiful lines
 
 
Akal Sahai
 
Thank you so much for welcoming me here on this great site and linking the thread, will go over all the gyaan. Will keep adding more info as I learn.
 
This forum helped me since past many months when I was beginning my practical journey, many of this Sangat's past posts helped me in the journey and will remain ever grateful.
Guru Ki Saji Nivaji Guru Khalsa Roop Pyaari Sadh Sangat Ji Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh

Have a listen to this short video especially the bit where he talks about the early anhad sounds around 10 minutes in. 

Good video. Explains how anhad  shabad draws you to back of head. How you see gold as you enter dasam duar and what Parkash of Waheguru looks like.
 

@zereraz Veer ji dass is really happy and proud to have you as a fellow member on this great site for which i would like to welcome you.
 
Here is a thread dass made in connection to the thread you made
 

So I'm practicing daily, made early gains in terms of various experiences in meditation, even if one thinks they are far away I believe most just haven't tried it properly, so I'd recommend daily before sleep(or power nap) just trying to relax body(like really do it, little by little keep relaxing), dhyan state can only come from doing naam simran(breath + chanting) and listening to yourself(like minds ears, eventually some of the 5 shabads come here) otherwise there is no dhyan, beat the stage of thoughts, it maybe your breathing itself that might distract you, do it per breath with concentration and as you keep relaxing your body will fall asleep(it is astonishing and various Anand's can be felt which will feel unreal and amazing). Also I didn't read about this on the internet or from anyone this was an awakening experiences where I randomly meditated for 6+ hours(without simran, didn't know much about it) where I learnt that this was real and then saw 7-8 months later Bhai Simranjeet Singh talking about this as the right thing to do(a vidhi, technique), to me it is like Akaal Purakh waking me up from deep manmukh slumber, I was also able to sleep like 2 hours and wake up refreshed but eventually due to no naam simran I lost the avastha.
I've experienced and witnessed my own body fixing itself(rare times painful to watch it stitch parts damaged in gym), quite blissful experience overall and makes it easy to do naam simran even at night(and now understand how 8 pehar is actually possible but so hard and intense, only in deep true love will one do it like that).
 
I'm sorry but I do not agree here, I'm not trying to get Riddhi, Siddhi here, from what I have understood what Bhai Sewa Singh has disclosed using only gurbani is that we daily leave our bodies(I'm sure everyone here knows about Dasam Dwaar), and we may even get instructions there, drink amrit(hence mind wakes up refreshed), even rehras can be looked at finding the path back to where our mind enters body every day. So if you daily leave your body and daily come back only issue here is bhakti is low so we forget or drown in thoughts. The path here is to do 8 pehar naam simran or however max and this itself will take the mind to the gate of dasam dwaar and eventually there is prakash, none of this is outside hukum and I'd even argue this is the best karam, to wait outside the dasam dwaar outside thoughts, vichaar(given by 5 thieves), dhyaan always at feet of waheguru doing naam simran until there is prakash. Humai is significantly reduced so you do not want Riddhi Siddhi, there is barely you, like water in milk your mind slowly instead of feeling like a point in our head feels like immersed in something and can't point where it is/you are.
I just haven't reached the prakash stage, real hukum according to me is to not forget what happened when your mind left and came back, what was the dhyan related experience of begumpura and not to go into random dreams by kaal(thanks to 5 thieves).
Of course I'm new to all this, 1-2 years max, been researching many religions(left atheism and to spirituality) until realized what Sikhi itself was actually talking about, all practical from my current understanding and love it.
 
Only bhakti, only purify mind, remove humai as that itself is false hood, agreed about deep love for lotus feet, I've not reached deep love state but I've been able to reach sehaj and do naam simran with some love as of now, I want the love to increase, even fear to be remembered. All that can and does happen is within Hukum and up to Waheguru.
 
Yes I agree with what you said, I do not want astral projection as well just to not get caught up in dreams of kaal, agreed about messages in dreams want to retain it more due to naam simran one is ever present and aware, to actually remember where the mind went while doing naam simran and if possible take it to the right path while doing bhagti not having desires for any supernatural or cool experience, no haumai, vichaar. Yes craving experiences is bad and I did learn it the hard way but listening to shabads during meditation did enhance my experience, my aim is to only follow Gurbani nothing else.
Thank you all for responding 🙏

Sat Sri Akal 

zereraz Bro,
your post above is amazing, you have proven that with enthusiasm, determination and persistance , the highest of goals can be achieved, the thing is in doing it.
Well, I am very much glad for you, may Waheguru bless you and you go still further and farther, until merging in Him.
You see, when I said deep love for Him, i did not meant to understimate you in any way, but I meant wanting Hm alone above and before anything, that is it.
Do not worry nor be in a haste for any visible progress, but just pray to Him to guide you towards Him, and bless you stay in His bhaana at all times.
I have herad, that He is more eager to give Himself to us, than we wanting Him, so just trust Him, and remain as a kookar at His door with your love and devotion, without expecting anything, for He knows best what, when and whom to give, our main preocupation is to keep checking ourselves that we have not got derailed from the path of bhakti.
As it is said, if we believe He has the power to give, that it is also true, He also knows whta and when to give, it is only we have to remain receptive to His grace.
So, what is to remain receptive to His grace or kirpa?
It is in trying to please Him with that what He most likes.
So what is that He likes most?
As per Bani, it is to constantly remember Him through His simran,  apart from doing daily meditative practices of His simran.
You are right, Gurbani is a practical manual of instructions so to say, for efficiently loving Him and reuniting our surtees with Him.
Any praises of Gurbani are just limited and poor expressions, the beauty of Gurbani can only be felt, when we devoutly workout as per its pure and undiluted teachings,  as seen in the following verse
"JIN HAR JAPEEYA SE HAR HOEEYA"
Stay blessed.
SSA.
 
 
 

Yes, you can only experience it, and it’s beyond logic. Hence we apply the gyan and learn as we move on the never ending path. 

I agree with blind faith, simply loving and doing naam simran is best and supreme but don't just assume I'm talking about simply dreaming and astral world.
I'm trying to follow Gurbani but using the interesting interpretation or khulasa done by Bhai Sewa Singh, I hear what he says, he quotes Bani and he is not talking about dreams and visions, that is all. 
There is only Truth, only Oneness, only Akal Purakh, yes all is within Hukum, high lows all him, even you writing and me writing all comes from+within+by Waheguru.
Many people with blind faith may have incorrect idea about Akal Purakh, when Gurus and Gursikhs were literally able to see him Hadra Hadoor(nirakar, not saying some image here), all around and do Bhakti there what is even blind faith when one can see, hear nothing but Waheguru and I do not believe Sikhi talks about just blind faith but talks about experiencing Waheguru while alive and get out of reincarnation(equivalent to merging with Akal Purakh), but I'm new to most of this so can be wrong. I do believe Sikhi is practical, experiential and not only does one know by "Gyaan" and bhakti that this is illusion but also experientially.
 
SSA
 

So I'm practicing daily, made early gains in terms of various experiences in meditation, even if one thinks they are far away I believe most just haven't tried it properly, so I'd recommend daily before sleep(or power nap) just trying to relax body(like really do it, little by little keep relaxing), dhyan state can only come from doing naam simran(breath + chanting) and listening to yourself(like minds ears, eventually some of the 5 shabads come here) otherwise there is no dhyan, beat the stage of thoughts, it maybe your breathing itself that might distract you, do it per breath with concentration and as you keep relaxing your body will fall asleep(it is astonishing and various Anand's can be felt which will feel unreal and amazing). Also I didn't read about this on the internet or from anyone this was an awakening experiences where I randomly meditated for 6+ hours(without simran, didn't know much about it) where I learnt that this was real and then saw 7-8 months later Bhai Simranjeet Singh talking about this as the right thing to do(a vidhi, technique), to me it is like Akaal Purakh waking me up from deep manmukh slumber, I was also able to sleep like 2 hours and wake up refreshed but eventually due to no naam simran I lost the avastha.
I've experienced and witnessed my own body fixing itself(rare times painful to watch it stitch parts damaged in gym), quite blissful experience overall and makes it easy to do naam simran even at night(and now understand how 8 pehar is actually possible but so hard and intense, only in deep true love will one do it like that).
 
I'm sorry but I do not agree here, I'm not trying to get Riddhi, Siddhi here, from what I have understood what Bhai Sewa Singh has disclosed using only gurbani is that we daily leave our bodies(I'm sure everyone here knows about Dasam Dwaar), and we may even get instructions there, drink amrit(hence mind wakes up refreshed), even rehras can be looked at finding the path back to where our mind enters body every day. So if you daily leave your body and daily come back only issue here is bhakti is low so we forget or drown in thoughts. The path here is to do 8 pehar naam simran or however max and this itself will take the mind to the gate of dasam dwaar and eventually there is prakash, none of this is outside hukum and I'd even argue this is the best karam, to wait outside the dasam dwaar outside thoughts, vichaar(given by 5 thieves), dhyaan always at feet of waheguru doing naam simran until there is prakash. Humai is significantly reduced so you do not want Riddhi Siddhi, there is barely you, like water in milk your mind slowly instead of feeling like a point in our head feels like immersed in something and can't point where it is/you are.
I just haven't reached the prakash stage, real hukum according to me is to not forget what happened when your mind left and came back, what was the dhyan related experience of begumpura and not to go into random dreams by kaal(thanks to 5 thieves).
Of course I'm new to all this, 1-2 years max, been researching many religions(left atheism and to spirituality) until realized what Sikhi itself was actually talking about, all practical from my current understanding and love it.
 
Only bhakti, only purify mind, remove humai as that itself is false hood, agreed about deep love for lotus feet, I've not reached deep love state but I've been able to reach sehaj and do naam simran with some love as of now, I want the love to increase, even fear to be remembered. All that can and does happen is within Hukum and up to Waheguru.
 
Yes I agree with what you said, I do not want astral projection as well just to not get caught up in dreams of kaal, agreed about messages in dreams want to retain it more due to naam simran one is ever present and aware, to actually remember where the mind went while doing naam simran and if possible take it to the right path while doing bhagti not having desires for any supernatural or cool experience, no haumai, vichaar. Yes craving experiences is bad and I did learn it the hard way but listening to shabads during meditation did enhance my experience, my aim is to only follow Gurbani nothing else.
Thank you all for responding 🙏

Sat Sri Akal 

The thing is, that God gives us guidance in our dreams and waking life as visions, messages etc. So respect them. But I know a Brahmgyani who lived a few years in blind faith, and hasn’t fallen. Very rare as many of us use visions to believe and accept gyan. Blind faith is applying and practicing gurbani without the need for visions etc. It shows that true love isn’t dependent on anything, it’s just Love. You feel it, you don’t need to see it or be attached to an image for it. 
 
Someone on here had a good point in that, were here to experience Life living in the 3rd energy.. the astral realm is there when we die. The lessons we learn here can be so profound. On earth, you can realise that the realms, this world, are false. It is a dream and an illusion. We live a story. You realise there is Only Truth, which existed before image and will continue to exist. This is partly how you come to realise Oneness of all things and beings. To accept in humility, that there’s only Truth. There’s only True Love. You live your story, but you’re not attached to the highs and lows, realising it all to just be Him/ Truth. 

You should read 'Confessions of an economic hitman' by John Perkins. I think most streetwise people have an idea of what goes on behind the scenes. 

Brother Guest Singh,
The only hukum of God is purify yourself with the bhakti of Nam and return back into me.
For the rest of things we have a limited free will as long as also we do not incur in more karam.
Though it is also true, that unless one is blessed with deep true love for His lotus feet, thus wanting Him only at all times, people do have higher fantasies,  that only shows how weak and low one is, for leaving aside that one eternal and changeless highest Truth, we still have other desires... But brother that also as seen in the Bani, it is in no one's hands to want and love Him above all and everything, and at the same time by fulfilling our duties with our fellow beings.
SSA.

Sometimes. When your soul has been cleaned with the simran and applying gurbani to your life, You can start having a lot of these experiences. You’re shown how to navigate the khel, perhaps for a time when you’ll need to. A lot of people have this who don’t do bhagti aswell. Which is why spiritual experiences like these are not always indicative of progress. However there are experiences which show and reassure you that you’re on the right path and to keep going. Also messages are given in your dreams and experiences like these sometimes. 
 
Blind faith, is the best type of faith. Then one doesn’t need these experiences. That’s when the real test begins. The astral and third world (earth) are projections, symbolic reflections of the Nothingness, where there is no color, form etc, the silence from which we are all derived. 
 
Don’t get caught up with experiences for Truth is beyond image, form, color, gender, caste, the material etc. 

Hi this is my first post,
I've been watching videos of Bhai Sewa Singh Tarmala, Bhai Simranjeet Singh and Bhai Dharamjit Singh, they constantly point out this concept of being able to leave body, it does make sense to me, I wanted to know if anyone has been able to experience this? Not just like out of body experience but being able to go to where we all go at night, remembering all the instructions given on how to play the game.
 
Regarding my experience and spiritual level, I've started recently after some awakening experiences.
I am able to be awake while my body has fallen asleep i.e body is almost paralysed, mind is awake, I do naam simran but do not know how to leave body, similar to described in this video 
 
Also am able to hear some shabads(similar to which has been described in some old posts) and possibly 1-2 times naad but not sure if that was it or just shabad only.
 
Thanks

They are as different as North and South.
Nam is the only everlasting and changeless Truth, which can be described as a  supreme  consciouss creative power with infinite virtues, and among all of them  love and  mercy,  like cream on  milk, as per description by His Bhagat Jan, Gurmukhs and Guru Sahiban.
While riddhis and siddhis are just lifeless and consciousless energies without any virtues by themselves. 
Take for example a knife, which can cut vegetables to be eaten, or can be used to harm someone. 
So you see, while Nam/Shabad/Satnam is a consciouss life force of the highest order, riddhis and siddhis are inert in essence.
 

SSA Guest Jee,
Apart from one's parents and Guru Jee, nobody is worthy to fall at their feet.
This is your virtue of true humility, which is also liked by Him, it will help you to reach higher levels within also. So keep it up.
If possible,  just send me blessings, much appreciated.
Thank you for being such a  noble nd a beautiful person/human being.
The creation needs many many like you.
Stay blessed.

SSA Guest Jee, welcome.
A1) The point between the 2 eyes you mention while doing simran, is the door  which allows us to enter the spiritual realms or dimensions. It is also the gateway to reach our Nijh Ghar, there is a lot into it,  unlimited parkash, unlimited dhun, even Waheguru   can  be met by entering into it, but for that purpose simran is the key.  With simran we get our surtee focused at that point, which is very much necessary to pierce the dark veil when we close our eyes.
    And you feeling something while there, is a mark of His apaar kirpa on you, so please continue with this your devotion, it is the least we can do respond to His pull.
A2) Trust Him, if He has allowed you to experience of tasting a sip of that bliss, it means there is much more He wants to give you within, so the best thing is not to analyze, just give your "self" to Him, and He Himself will guide and take you further.   Just enjoy while being there and stay focused in your simran;  with due time and grace, the Shabad Guru within, will Himself guide you within and answer your queries if any, for in the presence of the Shabad Guru, all doubts just vanish away. 
 Trust Him, have faith in Him and love Him, the more simran you do, the more He is pleased, and the more He is pleased, the more He showers His daya meher, and this pleasing Him, is the secret in spirituaility to achieve our goal of merging in Him.
   
   Stay blessed.

Absolutely, there is no Bani which is gender conscious