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Lets say for the sake of argument, we are given a state and told, "there you go, theres your Khalistan"... my question would be "now what?" has anyone even thought beyond that point?

Shouldnt you have considered this beforehand? its a little late in the game to be thinking about this now.. But an interesting question none the less.. does anyone have any opinions based on Baani or Reht? In a similar vein, someone once suggested to me that strictly speaking, you shouldnt have an Anand Kaaraj unless both partners are Amritdhari. Any opinions on this?

I know its not the dayaloo thing to say, but these people, and the families who support and allow their behaviour, need their heads kicked in.

whats Sanjam Kiriya?

If u warm up n stretch in the morning, u should have most of ur flexibility for the whole day. start with dynamic stretches (like leg/arm swings), and then move onto ur statics. Listen to your body, initially u will experience some soreness, but eventually u should be able to stretch every morning and see a general improvement in ur flexibility over time. and Rakash Singh is right, the stronger a muscle is, the better it theoretically should stretch. Stretch after a workout as part of your cooldown, u'll be surprised at the results.

Dont eat late, give urself a few hours between ur evening meal and going to sleep.. this will prevent u building up more "stored energy".. Also fruit salads and sandwiches for lunch.. u'll be surprised how quickly u drop weight. And cardio, man, as much as u can do.. it wouldnt hurt to do some every day if u can manage it. Cardio's one of those things that u just cant do enuff of (and i definately dont do enuff of lol).. u can build a great set of abs but they wont show if uve got a layer of fat over them.

So much for the sanctity of marriage.

Very well explained, clear and concise.. thanks for that N3O!

Wow, never heard it put that way.. Devs and Devis simply metaphors? thats deep.. definately food for thought.. thanks man.. anyone else have any thoughts on the subject?

Hi all, I have a question that may possibly have been covered already on various threads, but i'd like to, if i may consolidate the knowledge shared by yourselves so that i may increase my understanding in one particular area.. Please let me state clearly in advance that the aim is not to offend, neither am i affiliated to any particular Jatha or political group. im what u might call an open mind. Ok, so heres whats confusing me: People are very passionate abt recognising Sikhi as an independent religion (or way of life as i understand it).. and alot of people seem to be very anti Hinduism.. from what i gather the bulk of this is to do with the attrocitiies commited against Sikhs in 84 and the actions of various right wing Hindu organisations upto the present day trying to "absorb" Sikhi as a branch of Hinduism.. But where do we exactly draw the line between our beleifs and theirs? The reason i ask is that i have recently been trying to read translations of Baani and Dassam Granth (www.sridasam.org if anyone wants to check it out) and there are numerous and repeated references to "Hindu" dieties such as Brahma, Vishnu, Mahesh, Bhagauti/Durga/Channdi (who i understand are one and the same, and from what i gather it would seem they are referring to her as a Mother figure to the universe, almost like Mahraj in their female aspect), Krishan, Ram, Indra, Kaali etc the list goes on. So we're not Hindus, i consider myself a Sikh (albeit a shamefully poor excuse for a Sikh) but why all the common denominators? One explanation i have been given is that all the aformentioned Devs and Devis exist, and there is a heirarchy with everyone doing their respective jobs keeping Mahraj's system in balance, that would be everything from individually influencing our lives due to our Karam, to providing, nurturing and in time destroying all the temporal things on the planet.(and thats just one explanation i've been given, could be totally wrong for all i know), So our Gurus recognise and refer to all of the above mentioned dieties then where is Sikhi in relation to Hinduism? I understand there are going to be some very passionate responses to this post, but please, if i may request that we stay on topic. I would much rather read 5 pages of different thoughts and hopefully learned opinions that 10 pages of people having a Punjabi Rumble! (lets save that for the "yo mamma so fat thread, which i'll start later )

Just read this and im abit confused... what exactly is your point? and before u hit me with a whole load more quotes, im not arguing here, i genuinely seem to have missed the point..

About time someone started a scheme like this... The community needs positive role models and opportunities in mainstream media. Shabaash to the people who got this scheme off the ground!

LOL.. Toofan Singh Dangerous... quite possibly the best name i've ever heard. Hope to do ur darshan someday mate... only when ur in the best of moods of course. i mean, who would dare cross Toofan Singh Dangerous when he's angry? hahahaha

I wonder if this cat beleives that its ok for Gursikh couples to stand in the same room? no doubt he beleives that Gursikh couples should sleep seperately, preferrably in different buildings? lol Dont get me wrong, i can see where is coming from in terms of etiquette and observing protocol around elders when it comes to public displays of affection etc (not that i necesarrily agree, but i can see what hes saying). But even having a problem with having pictures taken as a couple? Jigga PLEASE! take a chill pill... a big one!

In their younger days, some of my friends were messing around near a derilict house. The place was totally gutted. It had been burned out at some point so there was no floor and u could see down into the basment area (except for all the debris filling it up from where the floors had caved in from the fire, however long ago that had happened), and there was no middle floor and much of the roof had collapsed, leaving a hollow shell. Having messed around there for a while and explored what they could of the place, they eventually got bored and decided to go elsewhere. As they were leaving, one of them got the feeling he was being watched and looked behind him. He went white as a sheet and begged the others to get out of there right away. Seeing him so genuinely scared freaked the others out and they left the scene in a hurry. When they eventually got far enough away for him to feel safe they asked what had him so spooked. He answered that he'd looked over his shoulder and seen a woman watching them from an upstairs window.

Maybe it could open dialogue to the point where u could discuss and possible even resolve your differences? Alternatively, get his help, make sure u thank him, then bottle him LOL

LOL, thats the dodgiest Jakaara i've ever heard! Im sure thats not allowed.

I think its basically a question of personal pride. Some people like to be self sufficient and really dont like to ask for help from anyone. And naturally, nobody wants to ask for help or a favour from someone they dont get on with. I guess it comes down to this: How badly do you need their help? and Can you do without it? If theres another way round it, then dont bother asking them (lahtough im guessing u've already explored all ur options, hence ur question). If its something very important and nobody else can help u acheive what u need to acheive, then its just a question of whether or not you can swallow your pride. Tough one.

A friend of mine went into his room one evening while his cousins were around, and caught them using an improvised Ouija Board. Naturally he flipped and threw them all out of his room. But after that day, strange thing started to happen. Just about every member of his family has on some occasion heard the sound of someone else breathing when they have been alone in the house. When it happened to him he actually held his breath and listened, and the breathing sound carried on. On one occasion while he was alone downstairs late at night, he saw the sillouhette of a woman/girl pass by a doorway. He thought it was his sister but there was nobody there. He went upstairs to check on them and it turns out both his mum and his sis were asleep at the time. Then on another occasion, he heard a noise in the kitchen, went in and found that 9 shopping bags were arranged in a perfect square on the kitchen floor. again, nobody else was around. Creepy stuff.

lol... looks like the revolution is gaining momentum! Sukhi, looks like us pakhandis are gonna have to either join it or be hunted down!

Good Question, Sukhi... im glad im not the only one confused by the whole debate!

Pao Bhangre!!!!! BRUUUUAAAAAARHH!! LOL

I would agree that its a message of moderation. Sleeping little is prescribed in order that one would be able to observe Amrit Vela to do their Nitnem and Simran. (goes without saying that i dont do that LOL) Eating Little is to do with keeping the body fit and not overindulging. We've all seen the uncles/aunties who do the L.A Takedown on 4 or 5 supersized alloo vaale paronthe with extra butter and then knock out to "aid digestion" lol. (to be fair i dont do that either ) I really think its as simple as that. Dont let urself go physically and dont be lazy. Also, i think its to do with being able to sit relatively still for long periods while you do Simran etc.. Contrary to popular beleif, ur body needs to be in really good shape to be able to sit for extended periods. Thats one thing Yogis have got locked down from thousands of years of their experience. But thats another story.

I stayed well out of this thread cos so many people were already saying what i thought of the subject (ie ur partner is to be respected, the sanctity of marriage is to be preserved).. But now things have taken an interesting twist... while we all agree that it would not be ok to actually cheat on ones spouse, people are alot less willing to commit to the idea that even thinking about it would be wrong (im not saying anything either way.. just playing Devils Advocate as usual!). are we essentially going with the "Out of sight, out of mind" approach? ur partner is being loyal.. but is fantasizing about, to use Sukhis suggested example, one of your friends as harmless as we'd like to think?. Im quite sure we'd be hurt if our better half was to be caught looking hungrily at one of our friends (or anyone else for that matter).. or to accidentally whisper someone elses name? As Pheena said, they'd still be in the realm of thought, not action, as they havent actually commited adultery.. they're only thinking.. and maybe looking and oops! accidentally saying the wrong name during one of those tender moments? after all, im sure none of us would accept "whats in a name?" as an excuse lol. My question is, if it would be wrong (im assuming u'll agree) to hurt our partners that way, what makes it ok for us to be thinking along those lines?

I've met some of those. LOL.