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Bahadur, probably everything in Sikhi has be pre-dated by another religion. I dont really think any1 has an issue with it. i certainly dont.

bahadur, why make a good point, and then make an arse of yourself contradicting the same point? you say very rightly, that there are charities who will help without looking to convert, and in the same breath say any starnger entering a langar will be given a lecture on sikh generosity. Just as some haev generalised good charites into having ulterior motives, you have generalised about sikhs and langar. at my local gurdwara , We have non-sikhs who come very regualalry to eat langar. They dont ever come into darbar or anything, or know what langar -/sikhi is about. I have never seenheard of anyone approach them to "save them". I wish you would quit with your genealissations about the sikhs, cos i bet that as a muslim, you must get a lot yourslef and you will (hopefully) agree it just comes down to ignorance, or stupidity. Anyways, i dont know you was morghe sahar, so a belated Eid Mubarak, to yourslef and the Ummah.

its said tha in Maha. Ranjit Singhs raaj, no-one starved.

talking about gold inthe gurdwara or to help the needy, we only have to look at the example set us by Guru Nanak Dev Ji, in Sacha Sauda. I personally dont beleive in buildsing fancy gurdwearas when people are starving, and i made this point to the singhs who wre collecting funds for re-building of damdama sahib from the nanak nishkam seveak jatha uk. that soho rd wale if you dont know. i asked them what use is a building when there are many poor sikligars in india not to mention other nonsikhs who live in india, in abject poverty, which unless by a stroke of extremely good fortune they will pass onto their children? what would Guru Nanak do in this situation? They were only innerested in collecting money to do sewa at damdama sahib and et all the credit and recognition for doin the sewa. The guy even said to me that the sgpc do not have the funds to cover this sewa. i told them to piss off, and i wasnt gona give anything. they really made me angry.

i rememer having a debate wiv an indian about india's space prog. he was like, yeah man we gona do this and that and tin, and when i asked him weva the money would be better spent on the millions of people who live below tha poverty line, he was like ermmmm. no point in going into space when your own people dont live properly.

amardeep where is that text from? its beautiful.

http://www.shastarvidiya.org/chatka3.jsp i have just been looking at this page. it says that Jarnail Singh of samprda Bhindra is a veggie fanatic. I dont fink this is true. I have never heard him saying ever anything against jhatka. can anyone confirm this ?

you shud really try to find like minded individuals in the community and try and push a new program tothe younger sikhs. it will not haappen over night, as wiv sikhi.

go to singh sabha on cross road, covenrty. they always hav sumat goin on.

rasoyeea,rsaoya means cook or chef.

in all the tests that Guru Ji gave his Sikhs,, only Bhai Lehna was succesful. Guru Ji gave gurgaddi on merit only.

i have heard of a kirtani who uses the takhalas "gandharv".

gurmatchanan website people. i was looking in the raag kirtan section, and i would like to make a suggestion that you post the raags of the shabads as well as the shabad headings. this way sum1 foolish like myself who loves Sri Raag, wouldnt have to keep going back ot sikhi to da max to check wich raag they are in. can you do that please?

i was watcching Jai Hanumaan this morning, and uit feartured the point where Ravan took Sita. When Sita was telling Lakshman to go after Ram Chander, Lakshman took an arrow and cretaed a border round the kutia which would keep Sita safe. He defintley was NOT looking at her feet when he was telling her not to step outside if it. He was looking at her face. The suberp thread of Lakhsman's high moral seems to be lost on the cretaors of this show, and the y are hindus as well. right ,now that ive got that point off my chest im off to tapoban to see what they rattling their cages over.

ram katha jug jug atal.

they use the names cos their 'rents giv em da names, singh and kaur. like i have given mine.

forgiv if im wrong, but it didnt look like the other villagers were starving.

do the girls that you know, know they are pictured onthis site?

these have been transaleted by bindra. he is known critic of Dasam Guru Granth Sahib.

u mean " the nanga rasoya"?

i have heard the pakistan version a few times, and it is completely " you sikhs killed loads opf muslims in 47..." they are given the lesson that the muslims were an innocent community caught between murdering sikhs and scheming hindus. i asked these people have you heard of the episode of Rawalpindi March 1947? they replied "it never hapned". kinda like the nazi's who say the holocuast never hapned. i dont deny that sikhs from a dharmic angle commited wrong in killing innocent people in 47. what i can understand is the years of attacks on thier people and property, had turned the issue of dharma ino a non-issue at the time. the misery brought on the sikh community was in the minds of these people. At least the muslim league can remember that they were responsible for the killings of their own people through their own murderous agenda. This i have no delusion about. if i am deluded on this point then im happy. Shaheediyan bro, you can remain deluded in your vision of fighting mobs singlehandedly. im happy with that as well.

going back to the topic, i can also remember reading about jinnah saying that " we are not pacifists. we will take pakistan thru violence if necessary. " and it came to that. the british would have left a united india if they thought the 2 main communites would stay peaceful, but the muslims wanted to show that they were at war with the hindus. so this mentality has just passed onto/expressed itself in another generation about violence being a legitimate tool. the maulvis encouraging suicide bombers on civilians are the offspring of jinnah's mentality.

shaheediyan, i hear what you are saying, and you are right about dharam yudh. however revenge will make a person do crazy things. at that time the muslimshad been killing sikhs for well over 2 years in west panjab. even in 45/46 there were villages which sikhs would refuse to enter to sell goods/milk etc for fear of death. the killings of muslims only came about after the radcliffe line was awarded in august 47. sikhs simply saw it as payback,however horrible that seems. my uncle who came from montgomery recalled the massacre of rawalpindi in march 47, and said " we were extremley angry after hearing what the muslims had done and wanted to take revenge..." also i was told by the elder brother of Sant-Sipahi Jarnail Singh Bhindranwale, that their father Baba Joginder Singh had actually helped the evacutaion and safe passaage to a camp for the muslims wishing to go to pakistan. i dont agree with what the sikhs did, but i can fully understand why they didwhat theydid.

im not sure. good = sato gun bad = rajo gun ugly = tamo gun hmmm. i think i fall more into tamo and rajo gun. bad and ugly. bad and ugly folks. especially if i see/hear someone laughing at my mule. she dont like anyone laffin at her...