Kaljug Posted August 17, 2009 Report Share Posted August 17, 2009 Fateh! In what language is Sarbloh Granth written? Is it all written in the same language, or is it like Dasam Granth and written in different languages? Is it possible for someone who can cope with the Braj of Dasam Granth to understand Sarbloh Granth or does it require specialist learning? To those of you who have read it, how does the language and content differ from Dasam Granth? Regards, K. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amardeep Posted August 17, 2009 Report Share Posted August 17, 2009 I think its written in khari boli or something like that. In the local language that is talke in bihar 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mithar Posted August 17, 2009 Report Share Posted August 17, 2009 If someone here has the Sri Sarbloh Granth can they take a few pictures of pages and post it here. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maha Singh Posted August 17, 2009 Report Share Posted August 17, 2009 (edited) The opening page of Sri Sarbloh Granth Edited August 17, 2009 by Maha Singh 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mystical Posted August 17, 2009 Report Share Posted August 17, 2009 Is there a translation of this shabad? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dalsingh101 Posted August 18, 2009 Report Share Posted August 18, 2009 The opening line says "shri bhavani ji kee sahai" Who is shri Bhavani ji? Anyone know? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dalsingh101 Posted August 18, 2009 Report Share Posted August 18, 2009 Freed Ji has posted some useful stuff on SS including the English translation by McLeod. http://www.sikhsangat.com/index.php/topic/...th-translation/ 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaljug Posted August 18, 2009 Author Report Share Posted August 18, 2009 Dalsingh: Bhavani is Ad Shakti, it's historically another name for the ugra form of the goddess in Hinduism. (She was also the one who gave the Maratha Shiv Ji his sword to war against the Mughals.) Maya Lacchmi refers to the same Shakti in Sarbloh Granth. ... OK, so I picked up my copy of Baba Santa Singh's Steek of Sarbloh Granth and took a look at the language It seems like it's written in a form of Braj or perhaps some other form of medieval Hindi. I wasn't able to pick up more than the general meaning of a pankti without having to reach for a dictionary or two. And ... well, the language seems different to that of the Dasam Granth. Does anyone know when it was supposed to have been authored? If Amardeep Singh is right and the language is Khari Boli, then the earliest time it could have been penned was in or around Kabir and Amir Khusrao's time (arund 13th century) or some time before perhaps. Also, what truth is there to some claims (Giani Pratap Singh) that the Buddha Dal Steek/Udasi Harnam Das version is incomplete? Regards, K. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dalsingh101 Posted August 18, 2009 Report Share Posted August 18, 2009 (edited) Thanks Kaljug. Also what about the following statement? Tara Singh Narotam argues it is an 18th century work written by Sukha Singh of Patna Sahib. Edited August 18, 2009 by dalsingh101 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dsd108 Posted August 18, 2009 Report Share Posted August 18, 2009 The Sarbloh Granth (Punjabi: ਸਰਬਲੋਹ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ, sarabalōha grantha) is a collection of the tenth masters writings that recites the story of gods and demons. The granth itself has been shrouded in mystery and secretism. In modern times the head of the ancient order Shromani Panth Akali Budha Dal Panjvah Takht 96 krori Nihang Singh Chalda Vaheer, Singh Sahib 96 Krori Jathedar Baba Santa Singh Jee Akali has done a great service to the Sikh tradition by bringing this Granth out into the public and returning it to its rightful place, prakash alongside Adi Sri Guru Granth Saheeb Jee and Dasm Guru Granth Sahib Jee. Baba Santa Singh has been successful in printing this granth in two volumes and also printing a small Sampuraan Granth for the purpose of parkaash. In 2003, 96Krori Baba Santa Singh Jee conducted a Sarbloh Santia Smaagam where he personally over saw the santia of 18 individual Nihang Singhs. This smaagam has not been publicized, Baba Jee had the dream of conducting a Sampuraan Akhand Paath Saheeb of this Granth before he departed this Earth. His dream became true at Takht Sri Hazoor Saheeb Jee in 2003, the first recorded(In post colonial era) Sri Sarbloh Granth Akhand Paath took place at this blessed location. The self proclaimed leader of the Budha Dal in U.K, the non bana wearing Needar Singh has done parchaar for several years claiming that this granth was to be treated as a Bir Rass Granth, thus the tradition of Jhatka(killing in one blow) was associated with it. Needar Singh's lack of scriptual education was exposed by the fact that the Sri Akhand Paath Saheeb of Sri Sarbloh Darbar was conducted in a completely Vaishnuu(vegetarian) manner. The famous Khalsa Mehma "Khalsa Mera Roop Hai Khaas - Khalse Mai Hou Karo Nivaas - Khalsa Mera Satgur Puraa - Khalsa Mera Sjn Suraa" are contained with Sri Sarbloh Granth. Also mentioned within one of its Dhiyais (chapters) is the writing "Satguru Nanak Aap Parmeswar - Avtaar Lie Shubh Bans Pardhana". In all Nihang Singh Dals, Sri Sarbloh granth is kept parkaash, it is venerated by Singhs in both the Buddha Dal and Tarna Dal. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SAadmin Posted August 18, 2009 Report Share Posted August 18, 2009 Mangal Charan in Sri Sarbloh Granth goes like this: Sri Bhavani Ji Sahaie | Sri Maya Lakshmi Ji Sahaie | Ustat Sri Maya Lakshmi Ji Ki Sri Mukhvakh Patsahi Dasvin || Guru Maharaj dedicated this mangal charan to daiv shakti of nirgun vahiguroo in form of sargun maya feminine lakshmi ji. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dalsingh101 Posted August 18, 2009 Report Share Posted August 18, 2009 Other than me being ignorant, how come you guys have such a good understanding of Hindu mythology? Actually do you believe it is mythological or historical? Out of interest. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaljug Posted August 18, 2009 Author Report Share Posted August 18, 2009 (edited) Other than me being ignorant, how come you guys have such a good understanding of Hindu mythology? Actually do you believe it is mythological or historical? Out of interest. Fateh! I just have a basic understanding of Hindu mythology that I picked up mostly in an attempt to understand a lot of concepts in Gurbani like Nirguna Brahman, Sargun, Maya, Shakti, etc. Also, it's impossible not to have a little understanding of the traditional religion of the indigenous people and culture of the times of our Gurus especially if one is trying to read the traditional Nirmala commentaries on Sri Guru Granth Sahib.* It is mythological, but that doesn't mean that it's not true in some sense. For example, the story of Jesus is based on the old myth of solar cults of the death and rebirth of the sun, but Jesus may have been an historical figure. K. *Also because I am a secret RSS agent. Edited August 18, 2009 by Kaljug 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mithar Posted August 18, 2009 Report Share Posted August 18, 2009 *Also because I am a secret RSS agent. Now I must report you to the Akal Takht. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laalsingh Posted August 18, 2009 Report Share Posted August 18, 2009 Singh Sahib 96 Krori Jathedar Baba Santa Singh Jee Akali has done a great service to the Sikh tradition by bringing this Granth out into the public and returning it to its rightful place, prakash alongside Adi Sri Guru Granth Saheeb Jee and Dasm Guru Granth Sahib Jee. Now we have three Granths side by side on Gurgaddi. Lucky us! We need few more 96 Kroris to bring out more Granths from hiding. Soon we will have full set. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dalsingh101 Posted August 18, 2009 Report Share Posted August 18, 2009 Now we have three Granths side by side on Gurgaddi. Lucky us! We need few more 96 Kroris to bring out more Granths from hiding. Soon we will have full set. Seeing as the Akal Takhat have explicitly said that no other Granth, other than SGGS ji, was given Gurgaddi and no other granth can be put on par with Guru ji, I don't think the majority panth have to worry about that. If some groups follow their own maryada and want to do parallel prakash, then that is their own issue. For the vast majority of us, we will continue to bow out heads to SGGS ji like we always have. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
singh2 Posted August 19, 2009 Report Share Posted August 19, 2009 Seeing as the Akal Takhat have explicitly said that no other Granth, other than SGGS ji, was given Gurgaddi and no other granth can be put on par with Guru ji, I don't think the majority panth have to worry about that. If some groups follow their own maryada and want to do parallel prakash, then that is their own issue. For the vast majority of us, we will continue to bow out heads to SGGS ji like we always have. dal singh101 They do not do a parallel parkash. They do parkash of these granths at a lower level and under smaller canopy. That itself shows that they consider SGGS as Guru. This parkash is going on since the time these granths came into existence. They read these Granths. How will they read these if they are not in parkash? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dalsingh101 Posted August 19, 2009 Report Share Posted August 19, 2009 (edited) My point was that no one has to worry as the Akal Takhat seems to have cleared the position. We can all rest assured now. People cannot and shouldn't slaunder DG if only because it contains Amrit bani. It can never be held on par with SGGS ji because, as they have rightfully stated, Dasmesh Pita only gave gurgaddi to Shri Guru Granth Sahib ji. The majority of local Gurdwaras wordwide will continue to do prakash with Shri Guru Granth Sahib ji. Those who have held other granths in high esteem (such as nihungs) can continue to do so, without trying to make it it parellel to Guru ji, unless they want to directly challenge the Akal Takhat. The matter seems totally cleared to me? Now, I pray we can start moving on to studying literature and facing the many social problems that have become ingrained in the community. Such as female infanticide, suicides by farmers, apathy to heritage by youth, caste divisions etc. Edited August 19, 2009 by dalsingh101 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dsd108 Posted August 20, 2009 Report Share Posted August 20, 2009 Now we have three Granths side by side on Gurgaddi. Lucky us! We need few more 96 Kroris to bring out more Granths from hiding. Soon we will have full set. Gurgaddi was given to damdama wali bir edited by dasam patshah. It was known as adi granth or pothi sahib. Guru Gobind Singh also wrote his own granth known as dasam granth. Sarbloh granth is included as sayings of the tenth king along with the puratan sau sakhi. Vidiya sagar or writings of kavi darbar has survived. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dsd108 Posted August 20, 2009 Report Share Posted August 20, 2009 My point was that no one has to worry as the Akal Takhat seems to have cleared the position. We can all rest assured now. People cannot and shouldn't slaunder DG if only because it contains Amrit bani. It can never be held on par with SGGS ji because, as they have rightfully stated, Dasmesh Pita only gave gurgaddi to Shri Guru Granth Sahib ji. Akaal Takhat hasn't yet cleared rag mala, keski or jhatka issue. Akaal Takhat standardized dasam granth in 1900 and banned all debates. These debates still go on. SGPC or any movement shouldn't control the Akaal Takhat and sarbat khalsa should decide the gurmatta 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
singh2 Posted August 20, 2009 Report Share Posted August 20, 2009 Akaal Takhat hasn't yet cleared rag mala, keski or jhatka issue. Akaal Takhat standardized dasam granth in 1900 and banned all debates. These debates still go on. SGPC or any movement shouldn't control the Akaal Takhat and sarbat khalsa should decide the gurmatta In all gurmattas held since Dal Khalsa till last gurmatta in 1805 , Dasam granth was always parkash along SGGS ji. It is Guru gobind singh sahib's granth. It commands our respect. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dalsingh101 Posted August 20, 2009 Report Share Posted August 20, 2009 (edited) Akaal Takhat hasn't yet cleared rag mala, keski or jhatka issue. Akaal Takhat standardized dasam granth in 1900 and banned all debates. These debates still go on. SGPC or any movement shouldn't control the Akaal Takhat and sarbat khalsa should decide the gurmatta There is no keski, jhatka issue? The kakkar is kesh to the vast majority. People wearing a keski do not go against any mainstream requirement. Jhatka is allowed by those who wish to consume according to rehit maryada, the majority of Amritdharis are vegetarian anyway. The statement on DG was wise. Everyone is happy. Those who hold SGGS ji as sole Guru as well as those who hold the DG in esteem. The only people unhappy would be those who wish to totally discard DG as something that has absolutely no connection to Guru Gobind Singh at all ( a very small group). Edited August 20, 2009 by dalsingh101 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
singh2 Posted August 20, 2009 Report Share Posted August 20, 2009 Jhatka is allowed by those who wish to consume according to rehit maryada, the majority of Amritdharis are vegetarian anyway. Dalsingh101 Sikh rehat maryada only says that eating meat by halal is bajar kurehit. It does not support eating meat. it is quiet on this subject. In other words it leaves the choice to an individual. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dsd108 Posted August 20, 2009 Report Share Posted August 20, 2009 The statement on DG was wise. Everyone is happy. Those who hold SGGS ji as sole Guru as well as those who hold the DG in esteem. The only people unhappy would be those who wish to totally discard DG as something that has absolutely no connection to Guru Gobind Singh at all ( a very small group). Darshan Singh former Jathedar is spreading this in the name of Akaal Takhat "There is no evidence available that Guru Gobind Singh wrote, authenticated or sanctified any Dasami Patshahi Da Granth in his own hands as was done by him in the case of Damdami version of Guru Granth Sahib in 1706 and 1708 and similar to Guru Arjan Dev in the case of Aad Granth in 1604. The framing of the Rehat Maryada in 1927-1946 was a monumental task. There were several Rehat Maryadas prevailing at that time. The best of the practical life of Sikhs over generations, oral history and written sources available were taken into consideration. All sources confirmed the Sikh concept of Guru Panth and Guru Granth. The Bani of Guru Granth Sahib was the sole canon to accept or reject any idea, concept or suggestion. Dasam Granth, therefore has no recognition in Sikh Rahat Maryada and the 1925 Sikh Gurudwara Act. The Banis of the tenth Guru that have been accepted in the Sikh Rahat Maryada which and sanctified by Guru Panth (1927-1945) are final and unquestionable: Jaap Sahib, ten Swayyas (Swarg Sudu Waley 21-30 Akal Ustat), Benti Chaupai up to Dushat dokh tay, Dohra and Swayyas in Rehras (as sanctioned in Rehat Maryada)." 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dalsingh101 Posted August 20, 2009 Report Share Posted August 20, 2009 So what? When he says: The Banis of the tenth Guru that have been accepted in the Sikh Rahat Maryada which and sanctified by Guru Panth (1927-1945) are final and unquestionable: Jaap Sahib, ten Swayyas (Swarg Sudu Waley 21-30 Akal Ustat), Benti Chaupai up to Dushat dokh tay, Dohra and Swayyas in Rehras (as sanctioned in Rehat Maryada)." He is essentially admitting that at least those parts of DG were composed by dasmesh pita. Dude, there are guys claiming Guru Nanak was a Muslim, that he never started his own unique faith but reworked the sant tradition. Some moron claims that the Gurus were Christian etc. etc. In the face of that, why are you surprised at Darshan Singh? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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