Hindu And Sikh Extremists In Link With Bnp

[dsd108]

Racists from the British National Party have joined forces with extremists from the Sikh and Hindu communities in an anti-Islamic campaign that has been blamed for stirring up racial violence.

The campaign involves the distribution of thousands of CDs, tapes and leaflets claiming that Islam poses a threat to Britain. Sikh activists in Southall, west London, have passed hundreds of addresses of Sikh and Hindu community leaders to BNP activists who want their support.

The CD includes an informal discussion between BNP leader Nick Griffin and a Sikh. It is likely that much of the content of the recording will become illegal when new anti-incitement legislation becomes law.

Labelled as a joint statement from the BNP, Sikhs and Hindus, the recording consists of Griffin reading and analysing the Koran, followed by a discussion with Midlands-based Sikh activist Rajinder Singh. The language is inflammatory and anti-Islamic.

'Islam is the biggest threat Britain has ever faced,' Griffin says. In the introduction, an unnamed BNP member says: 'This is our country and you [Muslims] will never take it from us.'

The campaign has been condemned by all leading Hindu and Sikh organisations. 'The BNP are trying to divide ethnic minorities. In any community there are bound to be a few individuals who are willing to side with anyone, the Devil included,' said Indarjit Singh, head of the Sikh Council for Interfaith Relations.

Ramesh Kallidai, general secretary of the Hindu Council UK, said: 'Such bigotry conducted on the base of religion is deplorable.'

But a handful of Sikhs and Hindus have joined forces with the BNP. The party, which wants Britain's ethnic minorities voluntarily repatriated, has established contact with Sikhs in London, Reading and Northampton, and with Hindus in London, Leeds and Bradford.

Ammo Singh, 30, an accountant from west London, said he represented about 100 young Sikhs and Hindus who had collaborated in the making and distribution of the BNP recording. He said this was 'just the first stage' of co-operation with the BNP. 'We are not joining the BNP, we are just working with them. We have a very friendly relationship,' he said.

Rajinder Singh, a part-time teacher from Wellingborough, said he intended to set up an Asian Friends of the BNP group to act as a supporting body and conduit for funds for people sympathetic to the party's anti-Islamic stance. He was born in Lahore, Pakistan, but fled communal tensions and came to Britain in 1967. He is openly anti-Muslim, but believes the BNP can be persuaded to accept Sikhs as British.

Muslim leaders said that all religious faiths were united against the BNP and only a handful of individuals would sympathise with them.

Anti-racism campaigners say the BNP campaign has contributed to a backlash of violence against ethnic minorities in the wake of the 11 September attacks in the US. Hoax bomb threats have been made to a mosque in London's Regent's Park and two other mosques have been attacked with petrol bombs.

[dalsingh101]

This is years old? Can people posting please leave a url for verification.

You know, the BNP have lately been taken to court over their white only members policy and have had to change their constituition.

Be prepared for them to wheel out that Rajinder Singh as the first non white member of a neo-nazi group. I hope not though, as it would be a bit shameful.

[HSD1]

sikh extremists? where? i've never seen any in england. its always middle-aged asses who call themselves that, but most of the time they flee from a fight. most anti-muslim sikh groups are based around existing gurudwaras/uni sikh societies that have problems with the local muslims. i dont think there is a sikh body/organisation capable of even working with the bnp. i hope this isnt sunny-hundal-esque scaremongering.

reminds me of those hindu freshies who think that i'm a member of BKI!

[shaheediyan]

Sikhs who colloborate with these Nazis are idiotic scum.

They should be excommunicated, made examples of.

Edited September 5, 2009 by shaheediyan

[tonyhp32]

Shaheediyan,

Will you also be proposing that Sikhs get rid of the Uggardanti as well? That text seems to not fit into your dhimmi worldview as well.

Edited September 6, 2009 by tonyhp32

[shaheediyan]

I don't know which version of Uggardanti you've been reading, but I haven't read a version that supports friendship Nazi scum. Regarding your anti-semetic interpretation of the bani, you are welcome to it, you are only capable of seeing the world and understanding Guru through your own biased, hateful eyes.

And I am not sure why you think I have a dhimmi view of the world, I live in the UK, and am appreciative of the opportunity, I have not wish to be a 'Dhimmi'.

[tonyhp32]

You know what the Uggardanti states about the ultimate end of Islam, the destruction of the Korans, the call to prayer etc. Unless of course you've managed to procure a 'dhimmi' version where all these verses have been conveniently excised for those of your mellow temprament.

All I stated was that you seem to be ranting against these guys for wanting rid of Islam when the Uggardanti clearly also wants the same thing. So is it just the method of seeking Nazi bedfellows that you object to or the campaign in general. Would you be amenable if these guys soley set up a Sikh campaign to destroy Islam in line with Uggaranti?

[drawrof]

what's 'dhimmi'?

[shaheediyan]

Maharaj talks about destroying evil - which at that time was in the form of the Mughal Rulers.

He talks about how both Hindus and Muslims have lost their way and he has created a third.

You are entitled to think whatever you like, stop playing games, most of Ugardanti is beyond the understanding your reformist tunnel vision view of Sikhi. I doubt you even believe in it as Dasam Bani due its numerous praises of Durga, Bhavani, Chandika, Bhagauti, Kalika...

[shaheediyan]

"what's 'dhimmi'?"

Somthing akin to a non-Muslim living in a Muslim state.

[tonyhp32]

So the Mughal state is destroyed by the destruction of Qurans, Baang and circumcision? Read the underlying message of Uggardanti and it's resonance in the Var 41 of Bhai Gurdas as well as the rehatnamas.

Dhimmi traditionally means a non-Muslim who lives in subservience under Muslim rule. In modern times a Dhimmi is a useful idiot who looks forward to having the Muslims as his masters.

Edited September 6, 2009 by tonyhp32

[amardeep]

on the topic of uggardanti read this

http://www.sikhawareness.com//index.php?showtopic=2516&hl=uggardanti&st=0

[Kaljug]

on the topic of uggardanti read this

http://www.sikhawareness.com//index.php?showtopic=2516&hl=uggardanti&st=0

Fateh!

Are you actually being serious?

Lalleshvari is the same Ishraqi, the same sullah that imagines that Guru Nanak Dev Ji was a Muslim and part of his particular cult. His research is based on a combination of bullshit, missing the point and his desire to see Sikhi relegated to a branch of his insane Arabian religion.

Go and read Ugardanti for yourself and read what it says about the destruction of Hindumat and the annihilation of the Quran and its followers.

And by the by, I'm fairly certain that Bikramjit Singh is tonyhp (hopefully veer tony will correct me if I am mistaken).

K.

Edited September 6, 2009 by Kaljug

[Kaljug]

Fateh!

Dhimmi applies to any non-Muslim who is subjugated and humiliated in accordance with Islamic law until they accept Islam.

Here's more information on the term:

Later legislation in the Sharia codified the rule that Jews and Christians were forbidden to blaspheme the Quran, the religion of Islam, or their prophet Muhammad. Jews and Christians were also forbidden to ask Muslims to join their faith, but Muslims were allowed to ask Jews and Christians to convert to Islam. Violation of these rules could invoke the death sentence.

Dhimmis were subject to many further restrictions. There were various things forbidden to dhimmis at various times:

* Holding public office

* Bearing weapons

* Riding camels or horses

* Building houses of worship higher than mosques

* Mourning loudly

* Offering evidence in court against a Muslim

* Offering an oath in a Muslim court of law

* Dressing in the same way that Arabs dressed

Also, dhimmis were sometimes forced to wear distinct clothing, such as forcing all Jews to wear a yellow badge. (This was something that the Nazis borrowed from Muslim example.)

Under Sharia, if a Jew or Christian is convicted of killing a Muslim, the sentence is death. If a Muslim is convicted of killing a Jew or Christian, there is no death sentence.

Sahih Al-Bukhari Hadith 9.50; Narrated by Abu Juhaifa, states:

I asked 'Ali "Do you have anything Divine literature besides what is in the Qur'an?" Or, as Uyaina once said, "Apart from what the people have?" 'Ali said, "By Him Who made the grain split (germinate) and created the soul, we have nothing except what is in the Qur'an and the ability (gift) of understanding Allah's Book which He may endow a man with, and what is written in this sheet of paper." I asked, "What is on this paper?" He replied, "The legal regulations of Diya (Blood-money) and the (ransom for) releasing of the captives, and the judgment that no Muslim should be killed in Qisas (equality in punishment) for killing a Kafir (disbeliever)."

Sunan of Abu-Dawood Hadith 2745; Narrated by Abdullah ibn Amr ibn al-'As, states:

The Apostle of Allah (peace be upon him) said: ... A believer shall not be killed for an unbeliever, nor a confederate within the term of confederation with him.

Islamic law holds that if a Christian rapes a Muslim, the Christian must immediately be killed by any Muslim. If a Muslim man rapes a dhimmi, there is no death penalty. 7520, AL-RISALA (Maliki Manual); 37.27 A CHRISTIAN RAPIST:

If a Christian rapes a Muslim woman he is to be killed immediately by any Muslim. But a Muslim cannot be executed on account of a non-believer.

Islamic law prohibits Muslims stealing from dhimmis, and dhimmis stealing from Muslims. There is one exception: According to some opinions, Muslims are allowed to steal religious objects from Christian or pagan houses of worship, because such objects considered idolatrous and prohibited. (See iconoclasm.) 3915, AL-HEDAYA Vol. II (Hanafi Manual):

Amputation is not incurred by stealing a crucifix, although is be of gold, - nor by stealing a chess-board or chess pieces of gold, as it is in the thief's power to excuse himself, by saying "I took them with a view to break and destroy them, as things prohibited." It is otherwise with respect to coin bearing the impression of an idol, by the theft of which amputation is incurred; because the money is not the object of worship, so as to allow of it destruction, and thus leave it in the thief's power to excuse himself. It is recorded, as an opinion of Abu Yusuf, that if a crucifix be stolen out of a Christian place of worship, amputation is not incurred; but if it be taken from a house, the hand of the thief is to be struck off, for in such a situation it is lawful property, and the object of custody.

Regards,

K.

[tonyhp32]

No probs Kalyug. Most people on here know who I am. Ishraqi has mentioned me a few times as has Neo.

Interesting enough the foundation of the Khalsa involved converting a people used to living as Dhimmis in a Muslim state into people who were given a new sense of self respect and who would demand a life of honour and not disgrace. The wearing of swords and the riding of horses by dhimmis is specifically banned. There isn't any record of a Sikh paying Jizya, the payment of which is an acceptance of ones Dhimmi status. It's ironic that some Sikhs here in the UK are bending over backwards to become Dhimmis again when the Khalsa did so much to destroy this concept. I cannot imagine that a Khalsa of the 18th century would be meek enough to worry about whether he was offending a fasting Muslim or not by eating in front of him.