Khalistan?

[Mr Sardar]

Here some counter videos to khalistan

[Mr Sardar]

another against khalistan

[Mr Sardar]

The last to lay arms and foremost to raise them against the British, the Sikhs of Punjab may not figure prominently in the galaxy of freedom fighters led by Mahatma Gandhi barring Shaheed Bhagat Singh, who, too, was consistently disowned by Bapu, but the contribution of the Sikh people to the freedom struggle is no mean.

It is believed in all quarters that but for the intrigues in the post-Ranjit Singh’s Sikh hierarchy and the malicious strategy of the White man, the Sikhs could not have been defeated in 1849 the way they were. Despite this undeserved ignominy, there were ever so many incidents of defiance of the foreign rule by the Sikh soldiers and political activists. However, an organised peaceful crusade was launched by Baba Ram Singh Nandhari (he is addressed as Satguru Ram Singh by his followers) in 1869. It was essentially a socio-religious movement which became “a dynamic political force” in due course. They protested against cow slaughter, advocated widow re-marriage, would have nothing to do with the British educational institutions, even the mail and tap water. They wore spotless khadi and were devoted to meditation with woollen rosary.

Amritsar being the holy city, cow-slaughter was forbidden in it. But later not only was it permitted, the ban lifted, an abattoir was established next to the Golden Temple. This infuriated the Nandharis who butchered many a butcher in the town. At this the British without due enquiry had 65 Nandharis tied with the barrels of cannons and blown to bits. Baba Ram Singh had no hand in it, but the British availed of this opportunity and deported him to Rangoon on January 18, 1872. The technique of non-co-operation adopted by Mahatma Gandhi is preceded by the Nandhari crusade by boycotting British institutions and trying to be self-sufficient with the native ways and means.

Again the Gurdwara Movement of the Sikhs (1921-24) was the beginning of the national struggle for freedom. This has been accepted by more than one Indian national political leader.

Pandit Moti Lal Nehru:

I salute the Akalis who have started the struggle for freedom and are fighting for it.

Pandi Madan Mohan Malaviya:

Guru Ka Bagh Morcha has given birth to the freedom movement which must lead us to Swaraj.

Lala Lajpat Rai:

Freedom is our birthright. The Akalis are the legitimate sons of Mother India who are fighting for her.

Dadabhai Naoroji:

The Sikh brothers have shown us the way to freedom; no one can keep us slaves any more.

Master Tara Singh:

I would not mind if you, instead of standing with the Congress, boycott it and stand in front of it in the fight for India’s freedom. But if you boycott the Congress and stand in the back lane, it will be a shame for our community.

According to the eminent historian, Dr Ganda Singh, 500 Sikhs were killed in the Gurdwara Movement and 30,000 courted arrest, the fines paid amounted to Rs 10,00,000.

It was Master Tara Singh’s intervention, when he pulled down the Muslim League flag atop the Punjab Assembly at Lahore and tore it which saved half of the Punjab for India; otherwise the entire Punjab would have gone to Pakistan with River Yamuna as the dividing line between India and Pakistan.

The total contribution of Sikhs in India’s struggle for freedom is revealing:

Out of 121 patriots hanged 93 were Sikhs. Of the 2626 awarded life-imprisonment 2147 were Sikhs. Of the 1300 martyred in Jallianwala Bagh 799 were Sikhs.

Considering that the Sikhs were hardly 1.5 per cent of the total population of India at the time, their sacrifices amounted to 90 per cent. No wonder that Sardar Baldev Singh, a representative of the Akalis, was invited to greet the country on the national network along with Pandit Jawaharlal Nehru and Mohammad Ali Jinnah when freedom came. And then started the slow but sure process of ignoring the Sikh people, forgetting their valiant contribution in bringing about the freedom. They are just one of the minority communities today.

http://www.mainstreamweekly.net/article891.html

[Mr Sardar]

In 1983 India committed genocide to tamils as well so around same time - http://www.genocide.org.uk/genocide/ hence Indira Gandhi regime were mental.

Even in Gujrat modi organised a genocide of muslims http://indianterrorism.bravepages.com/gujarat%20pictures%209.htm

The thing is sikhs are 2% of India and have suffered and still suffer but we are not the only ones in India the politicians who do this have not been put in jail and are free only controlling jails. It will take a social revolution to bring justice for all victims of these crimes against humanity. Even dalit and untouchable lower caste hindus are victims to crimes in India- to push for real secularism in India is something in need. The congress party was formed to overtake the corrupt British but only when they came into power they became corrupt now we have issues of every political party in india being corrupt it will come down to the education of Indians themselves to know the issues and pursue that themselves.

It is sad to see nothing has happened to Jagdish Tytler and he walks around free and not in jail.

Edited March 7, 2011 by sarbatdapala

[Mr Sardar]

[chatanga1]

I never came any from non sikh source Like British,Hindu or Muslim which state that Sikhs were offered a state by Britishers

beverley Nicholls, an american journalist wrote in his book in 1946, the Sikhs have demanded khalistan, thier own country. also the punjab y secretary in march 1947 writes that we have recieved plans from the sikhs for thier own country, but i have had to reject it as it would leave them a minority in their own country. i have asked them to revise it and re-submit it...

so whether the brits offered it or not, the sikhs were certainly entertaining ideas of having their own country.

[kdsingh80]

beverley Nicholls, an american journalist wrote in his book in 1946, the Sikhs have demanded khalistan, thier own country. also the punjab y secretary in march 1947 writes that we have recieved plans from the sikhs for thier own country, but i have had to reject it as it would leave them a minority in their own country. i have asked them to revise it and re-submit it...

so whether the brits offered it or not, the sikhs were certainly entertaining ideas of having their own country.

Thanks veer ji for the info

our main problem was our small population compared to Hindu and muslims.The sikhs committed biggest blunder not in 47 but in 19 th century when much of the missionary work was stopped.Sikhs failed to reach the masses of India ,instead they themselves became victim of movements like arya samaj and later on Singh sabha managed to bring back many of the sikhs

but still out of Punjabi's Sikhism never became a popular Religion

[chatanga1]

our main problem was our small population compared to Hindu and muslims.

this was not a problem for the sikhs until the brits with their "one man one vote" came along. Then our small numbers became an major issue.

[kdsingh80]

this was not a problem for the sikhs until the brits with their "one man one vote" came along. Then our small numbers became an major issue.

This policy is now applied in whole world.It is nearly impossible to rule a country if you are 30-40% of population.The power always fall back to people which has the numbers

[Mr Sardar]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6leMSVnhtZU&feature=related

We can still spread sikhism on all of India from city to city- most hindus are ready to believe in anything in villages it is a matter of media and sending preachers all over.

[Mr Sardar]

what if we start building gurdwaras all over India in other states were sikhi is unknown even from small village shrines with prakash of maharaj such as bringing it into gujrat more and building sikhi from bottom up spreading more sikhi everywhere to start with poorer people first from villages.

Edited March 8, 2011 by sarbatdapala

[Laadli Fauj]

what if we start building gurdwaras all over India in other states were sikhi is unknown even from small village shrines with prakash of maharaj such as bringing it into gujrat more and building sikhi from bottom up spreading more sikhi everywhere to start with poorer people first from villages.

DO it! ehmee net te dhin raat bainsde rehnde, kuchh karo taa sehi.

[SURYADEV]

DO it! ehmee net te dhin raat bainsde rehnde, kuchh karo taa sehi.

You are right LF.

I'll respectfully offer my seva to be Pardhaan for these godwaras.

SOmeone just keep me in the loop on how many godwaras I have under my control.

[Mr Sardar]

Otherwise it is a matter of taking such cases through lawyers to the UN.

[chatanga1]

Otherwise it is a matter of taking such cases through lawyers to the UN.

this is out of the reach of indian sikhs. only sikhs in the western world can take this approach.

[dalsingh101]

this is out of the reach of indian sikhs. only sikhs in the western world can take this approach.

Do people not think the vested economic interests European nations (like Britain) have with Hindustan will influence their action or inaction in the matter. They have plans for big things in India, do you really think they care enough about Sikhs to jeopardise that?

Edited March 14, 2011 by dalsingh101

[chatanga1]

Do people not think the vested economic interests European nations...

We dont have to go through govts to reach the UN. NGO's Amnesty Intl etc have the same power to reach the ears of the UN, they just dont have permanent representation there. In the UN there are seats for Unrepresented peoples, like the Palestinians etc, and the Sikhs approached this body for Sikhs to be given a seat here as well. They got a seat but due to the intervention of the Indian govt it was cancelled. (in 1996 i think)

[dalsingh101]

We dont have to go through govts to reach the UN. NGO's Amnesty Intl etc have the same power to reach the ears of the UN, they just dont have permanent representation there. In the UN there are seats for Unrepresented peoples, like the Palestinians etc, and the Sikhs approached this body for Sikhs to be given a seat here as well. They got a seat but due to the intervention of the Indian govt it was cancelled. (in 1996 i think)

So essentially you're saying the UN can be swung by large powerful nations as illustrated by the Sikh example?

Plus I get the feeling that the UN is considered a political paper tiger these days. The way the UK and US just overrode their directives and went to war in Afghanistan sort of showed that.

[chatanga1]

So essentially you're saying the UN can be swung by large powerful nations as illustrated by the Sikh example?

Yes, what happened was the result of superb networking and ground level political manouvering between the Khalistan Council and American Senators. The Council did a really good job, and recieved a seat, but India got her knickers in a twist over it, and the seat was withdrawn. But i wouldnt go so far as to call india a large powerful nation cos they aint, they just used the best tool they have : trade.

[dalsingh101]

Yes, what happened was the result of superb networking and ground level political manouvering between the Khalistan Council and American Senators. The Council did a really good job, and recieved a seat, but India got her knickers in a twist over it, and the seat was withdrawn. But i wouldnt go so far as to call india a large powerful nation cos they aint, they just used the best tool they have : trade.

With a western ruling class which values markets derived financial power very highly, coupled with their deteriorating economy and influence, India, it seems, has a trump card up their sleeve then.

Look at how they've stood by and dithered with the Libyan 'rebels'. Do you honestly think they would give a toss about us?

Edited March 15, 2011 by dalsingh101

[Mr Sardar]

The sikh state would have probably been the first to support the war against afghanistan and iraq. Instead of going to these places in the west and burning effiges and indian flags why not take the democratic steps and follow through khalistan is right in our hands given the pressures of the entire persecution Sikhs went through from afghanistan with the taliban, from India in 1984 from Pakistan during partition, today in western countries being integrated into the populations, today in India being integrated into hinduism through bramhnical systems inplaced in India, the caste system is forced down the throats of every religious grouping but they have a choice to leave and go to a country of there religious rullings however the same can not be said for the sikhs. Punjab is the spirtual home of the Sikhs which has been torn away given into punjab in Pakistan and India. It is up to us to return punjab back to its original state especially after all the drug issues, rape, murders and other cases in which the politics of India and pakistan are destroying- the separtism from Hindu and Islamic extremists endangering innocents. The call for the return of the spirtual home of the sikhs is a plea which has been unaddressed and just like jews had there home returned after persuction in hollocausts, sikhs went through persecution from ahmed shah abdali, mir mannu, indira gandhi, mohammad ali jinnah and nehru's hands.

[Mr Sardar]

The persecution still carries on till today with the mistaken identity of the sikhs with terrorists/talibans/muslims in america sikhs have been murdered in cold blood in the uk sikhs go through racism via bnp, national front party and edl. All around the world Sikhs have gathered through alot of troubles till today such a soverign state and home land of the sikhs in punjab is being disolved given proper pressure through UN from canada, america and uk legal groups can draft the state. India claims to be a democracy but has let people like jagdish tytler and more who took part in persecution, genocide go free. The british took part in the undoing of the state and can establish it democratically. At present with Dr Manmohan Singh as primeminister such a noition would perhaps be ridicolous but when he is replaced by a Hindu, hindu extremism could protentially take place again. Presently Dr Mamohan Singh has done a great job as a primeminister and has given diginity to India, but it is sad that he calls himself a Sikh and has not committed to the justice of 1984 because it could have been him in the 1984 anti-sikh riots being burnt or his children as a Sikh one has to stand against injustice and tyranny he committed to such a thing by reading guru gobind singh jis shabad in parliament but yet has not put tytler behind bars or any others who took part, one may think that after his rule ends and another hindu extremist comes if such an injustice had no consequences then maybe his family maybe next if such an evil thing as the anti-sikh riots occurs again. May god bless us all with peace.

Edited March 16, 2011 by sarbatdapala

[Mr Sardar]

In terms of business it might be an uneducated decision to make khalistan as so many Sikh business men work ontop of the Indian economy and such a thing would damage business intrests as for Punjab most of the industries and infrastructure are not so good that is Badal's fault for being corrupt taking bribes etc. He must be one of the worst leaders we have had so far who has damaged sikhi in punjab infested it with drugs is responsible for 1984 and sikhs being labelled terrorists. It comes down to Badal jr. to do what his dad can not now as akali dal has gone international the international interference can do alot to punjab as for building the punjab upwards back to what it used to be and more and to make it one of the best states in the entire world today.

[Mr Sardar]

As for Sikhi parchar during Guru Gobind Singh time Sikhi was accepted first by the poorest, oppressed in comparison to the Moghuls converting the richest factions first and they ridiculed sikhs to being from low castes but the growth of such a religion led even to richer factions forseeings sikhi by its growth having merit to fight mohammaden invaders so richer factions invested into maharaja ranjit singh and his court and many converted to Sikhi. Today richer factions in India would not be as likely to embrace sikhi as would oppressed dalits, the issue is with the lower caste sikhs we have today they end up being abused in many ways in punjab by jatts with not many benefits where in comparison christian missionaries offer free education, medicine etc. so many are converting out of sikhi into christianity.

[Rash]

We can get Khalistan now !!!!!

when India is fighting Pakistan & China, we sikh's can revolt against India and take Khalistan. Then no one can stop us.