Jatt-Sikh wars

[paapiman]

Sangat jee: There were two battles fought between Singhs and Jatts (Brars). Jatts were the culprits, who instigated this conflict. For more details, one can read Episode# 137 and 138 in Sri Gur Panth Prakash by Gyani Rattan Singh jee. 

 

Some highlights (including the causes) of the first battle are below:

 

 

 

 

Bhul chuk maaf

 

 

 

Edited October 7, 2015 by paapiman

[Ragmaala]

Brars are bad.

[Ragmaala]

But there are good Jatts who are not Brars.

[Ragmaala]

Even Virks have a bad reputation especially ones who associated with Nirankaris in 1978 massacre.

I guess throughout history there have been people who were indeed punjabi but not sikh like, who drank & indulged in prostitution and fought amongst themselves.

[tonyhp32]

Sant Jarnail Singh was Brar Jat but then so was the traitor who took Gandhi's order to attack the Golden Temple. There's good and bad in all. It wasn't just some Jats of Malwa that were bad, there was quite a few Jat Chaudhris of Majha from the time of Mir Mannu who had made common cause with him and used to hunt for Sikhs in their areas and send them to Lahore for execution.

Edited October 7, 2015 by tonyhp32

[Ragmaala]

Baba Deep Singh Ji was also a Randhawa Jatt, I believe.

Baba Ishar Singh Ji Kaleran were Gill Jatt.

Bhagat Dhann Ji was a Jatt

Baba Nand Singh Ji Kaleran were Ramgarhia.

And the 5 Bhagats & 5 Pyare belonged to different castes as well.

So I guess, there is atleast one Mahapurakh Brahmgyani in each caste...hence removing the hiearchy of caste in spiritual terms.

To note, Kuldip Singh is a Brar involved in 1984 attack.  And Punjab DGP KP is a gill.  So caste cannot be generalized into good or bad.

[paapiman]

Srimaan 108 Amar Shaheed Baba Deep Singh jee was born in a Sandhu Jatt family.

https://books.google.ca/books?id=BihuAAAAMAAJ&dq="deep+singh"+caste&q=sandhu+jat&pgis=1&hl=en#search_anchor

 

Bhul chuk maaf

Edited October 7, 2015 by paapiman

[paapiman]

Some highlights of the second battle are below:

 

 

 

 

Bhul chuk maaf

 

[dalsingh101]

As Bhangu indicates, there were pro-Sikhi Jats who were committed to Sikh values and saw themselves as part of a wider community, and there were anti-Sikhi Jats. 

I think after the latter got their ar5e whooped by the mixed Khalsa, they infiltrated the Sikh movement through conversion. 

[amardeep]

What religion were these jatts prior to joining Sikhi?

[dalsingh101]

What religion were these jatts prior to joining Sikhi?

Given the plurality of religion in Panjab, might have had their own tribal jathera thing going on?

[paapiman]

The second slide (from top) mentions that Brar ancestors were initiated. Therefore, most likely, these Jatts considered themselves as Sikhs.

Bhul chuk maaf

[dalsingh101]

This bit is funny: 

 

As the Majhail Singhs asked the Brars to get themselves initiated

 

The latter chided Majhails to get initiated through their assholes. 

 

Paapiman, you're right, they appear to have descended from someone who had already taken Amrit. 

 

Here's the original text:

 

What is ਅੰਦ੍ਰਾਹੁਲ???

Edited October 8, 2015 by dalsingh101

[amardeep]

Who were these brars in the above quotes? The Phulikian misls?

[JungChamkaur]

Interesting to see that khalsa Singh's forced bears to give up their women in marriages. 

[dalsingh101]

Interesting to see that khalsa Singh's forced bears to give up their women in marriages. 

I wonder if the wives looked like this?

 

Edited October 8, 2015 by dalsingh101

[dalsingh101]

On a serious, it's interesting to see that Singhs basically smacked down Brar Jats into submission and compelled them to join their ranks..... hhhmmm

 

The few Brars I've met have been dodgy mofos. Very proud and arrogant. I wonder how they'd feel if they knew their history? 

[JungChamkaur]

Iv had the same experience w jatts in general. Talk a lot don't do shit. Arrogant but have no reason to be. 

[paapiman]

Who were these brars in the above quotes? The Phulikian misls?

Bro, was the Phulkian misal primarily composed of Brar/Sidhu Jatts?

Bhul chuk maaf

[amardeep]

Are we talking about forced conversions here or forced political alliances? The Mughals for instance would smack down the rajputs, and then enroll them into their army and go subjugate another part of India using those very same defeated rajputs.

Edited October 9, 2015 by amardeep

[paapiman]

Are there any other historical sources which mention about these wars?

Bhul chuk maaf

[dalsingh101]

Are there any other historical sources which mention about these wars?

Bhul chuk maaf

There is a early European account in  Sicques, Tiger or thieves (ed. Madra and Singh) by a guy called Francis Wendel if I recall rightly? It was from about 1770 and describes battles between Singhs and Jats. 

[paapiman]

There is a early European account in  Sicques, Tiger or thieves (ed. Madra and Singh) by a guy called Francis Wendel if I recall rightly? It was from about 1770 and describes battles between Singhs and Jats. 

Thanks bro for the info. Do they describe the same battles or different ones?

Bhul chuk maaf

[chatanga1]

Given the plurality of religion in Panjab, might have had their own tribal jathera thing going on?

or worshipping Sakhi Sarwars, or Sultanis. etc

[chatanga1]

The few Brars I've met have been dodgy mofos. Very proud and arrogant. I wonder how they'd feel if they knew their history? 

I used to with with a Brar, who came from Panjab.  the guy was a riot. He was so funny. He never looked down on anyone, and we had a great laugh trying to teach him how to tell the time in english.