Forgotten stories of the bravery of the 1.5m Indian soldiers who fought alongside the British in WWI and the racism they faced in the trenches

[dalsingh101]

Forgotten stories of the bravery of the 1.5m Indian soldiers who fought alongside the British in WWI and the racism they faced in the trenches are revealed in newly-uncovered interviews with veterans

• Around 1.5 million men, mainly from remote north Indian villages fought with the British from 1914 to 1918
• Fighting under the command of their colonial masters they faced racism, brutality and prejudice in the war
• The truth about their service  is revealed in veteran interview transcripts offered to the British Library

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6325571/Forgotten-stories-bravery-1-5m-Indian-soldiers.html

[Jageera]

https://www.sbs.com.au/yourlanguage/punjabi/en/article/2017/11/17/pictures-emerge-showing-japanese-troops-using-sikh-pows-practice-targets

[dalsingh101]

2 hours ago, Jageera said:

https://www.sbs.com.au/yourlanguage/punjabi/en/article/2017/11/17/pictures-emerge-showing-japanese-troops-using-sikh-pows-practice-targets

These photos were released a LONG time ago. I remember seeing them in books when I was a kid. 

[Premi]

On 10/29/2018 at 5:01 PM, dalsingh101 said:

These photos were released a LONG time ago. I remember seeing them in books when I was a kid. 

How much credit do you give to the non-Anglo 'British' soldiers for the win in WW2 ?

In the UK, they are recognised, but their role is expressed as being smaller than maybe it was ?

[dalsingh101]

1 hour ago, Premi said:

How much credit do you give to the non-Anglo 'British' soldiers for the win in WW2 ?

In the UK, they are recognised, but their role is expressed as being smaller than maybe it was ?

That's predictable. I think anglos sometimes threw the non-anglos on the frontlines and made them take the brunt, and then came in afterwards, after the enemies were softened for them, taking all the 'glory'. Canon fodder.

I just think the sooner we get away from aggrandising our own subjugation the better. Fighting wars for people who've subjugated your homeland, who then run off and leave you to face mass rape and slaughter after they parcelled your ancestral lands out to sullay, is up there in terms of retarded actions.  

[Premi]

On 12/30/2021 at 5:36 PM, dalsingh101 said:

That's predictable. I think anglos sometimes threw the non-anglos on the frontlines and made them take the brunt, and then came in afterwards, after the enemies were softened for them, taking all the 'glory'. Canon fodder.

I just think the sooner we get away from aggrandising our own subjugation the better. Fighting wars for people who've subjugated your homeland, who then run off and leave you to face mass rape and slaughter after they parcelled your ancestral lands out to sullay, is up there in terms of retarded actions.  

Agree, Sikhs are supposed to have their own Raaj and not be anyone's subjects

[dalsingh101]

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[Singh2022]

On 7/10/2022 at 2:52 AM, dalsingh101 said:

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I think the only saving grace about the Sikh cannon fodder with the racist British Empire's "Indian" forces is that 90% of the soldiers above were Hindu's and Muslims.

And even the Punjabi element among those racist British Empire controlled forces was 80% Muslim and Hindu (which Muslims used to devastating effect in 1947).

Thus the actual percentage among Sikhs who actually served with the racist British Empire forces was always less than 5% of the total Sikh population at those times.

 

[paapiman]

7 hours ago, Singh2022 said:

I think the only saving grace about the Sikh cannon fodder with the racist British Empire's "Indian" forces is that 90% of the soldiers above were Hindu's and Muslims.

And even the Punjabi element among those racist British Empire controlled forces was 80% Muslim and Hindu (which Muslims used to devastating effect in 1947).

Thus the actual percentage among Sikhs who actually served with the racist British Empire forces was always less than 5% of the total Sikh population at those times.

 

At one point in history of British India, Sikhs formed close to 30% of the British Indian forces. The percentage went down after the Jallianwala Bagh massacre.

 

Bhul chuk maaf

[Singh2022]

On 7/24/2022 at 9:43 AM, paapiman said:

At one point in history of British India

The percentage went down after the Jallianwala Bagh massacre.

This blatant falsehood spread by RAW and RSS has long been comprehensively exposed as a malicious lie and deliberate denigration of Sikhs during the Congress Genocide of Sikhs.

Sikhs were 1.5% of the pre-partition population of India. And even out of the racist British Empire's forces drawn from Punjab, Muslims comprised the vast majority.

The population of united Punjab comprised around 10% of the pre-partition population of India.

And even at peak influence the other states of India (which comprised 90% of the population) still comprised over half of the racist British Empire's forces.

Thus if even 50% of the racist British Empire's forces were mostly drawn from Pakistani Punjab and Sikhs comprised between 13.6 to 20% of Punjabi drawn forces it is absolutely provably clear that Sikhs never constituted more than 10% of the racist British Empire's paid forces in India. And furthermore, among the Sikhs no more than 5% of the Sikh population at the time enlisted with the racist British Empire's forces at any point in time.

The total contribution of Sikhs in India's struggle for freedom is revealing: Out of 121 patriots hanged 93 were Sikhs.

Of the 2626 awarded life-imprisonment 2147 were Sikhs. Of the 1300 martyred in Jallianwala Bagh 799 were Sikhs

[Sajjan_Thug]

On 10/28/2018 at 9:08 AM, dalsingh101 said:

Forgotten stories of the bravery of the 1.5m Indian soldiers who fought alongside the British in WWI and the racism they faced in the trenches are revealed in newly-uncovered interviews with veterans

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Do you think we should have written at least 10 to 20 volumes on this by our historians by now?  Why haven't we done the deep research instead other people are doing it for us and then we claim people are misrepresenting us?

Should Nihang Singhs have written on this subject as they need knowledge about the wars that have happened in the world? 

[Sajjan_Thug]

On 7/24/2022 at 1:43 AM, paapiman said:

At one point in history of British India, Sikhs formed close to 30% of the British Indian forces. The percentage went down after the Jallianwala Bagh massacre.

 

Bhul chuk maaf

What is the source of that information?

Can you name me any books written by puratan sampradays on this subject?  It's been over hundred years, puratan sampradays probably have written 10 to 20 volumes on this subject by now.

[paapiman]

4 hours ago, Sajjan_Thug said:

What is the source of that information?

News reports.

 

Bhul chuk maaf

[paapiman]

20 hours ago, Singh2022 said:

This blatant falsehood spread by RAW and RSS has long been comprehensively exposed as a malicious lie and deliberate denigration of Sikhs during the Congress Genocide of Sikhs.

Sikhs were 1.5% of the pre-partition population of India. And even out of the racist British Empire's forces drawn from Punjab, Muslims comprised the vast majority.

The population of united Punjab comprised around 10% of the pre-partition population of India.

And even at peak influence the other states of India (which comprised 90% of the population) still comprised over half of the racist British Empire's forces.

Thus if even 50% of the racist British Empire's forces were mostly drawn from Pakistani Punjab and Sikhs comprised between 13.6 to 20% of Punjabi drawn forces it is absolutely provably clear that Sikhs never constituted more than 10% of the racist British Empire's paid forces in India. And furthermore, among the Sikhs no more than 5% of the Sikh population at the time enlisted with the racist British Empire's forces at any point in time.

The total contribution of Sikhs in India's struggle for freedom is revealing: Out of 121 patriots hanged 93 were Sikhs.

Of the 2626 awarded life-imprisonment 2147 were Sikhs. Of the 1300 martyred in Jallianwala Bagh 799 were Sikhs

@dalsingh101 - What do you say bro? IMHO, Sikh percentage was anywhere between 10-30% of the British Indian forces.

Sikhs were heavily over-represented in them. That is a fact.

 

Bhul chuk maaf

[Singh2022]

6 hours ago, paapiman said:

IMHO

This RSS and RAW mischaracterising Sikhs (via your incorrect percentages) as the most loyal lapdogs of the racist British Empire is readily disprovable.

If the maximum percentage of united Punjab (most Muslim) recruits in the British Indian Army was around half then your upper figure is totally impossible.

Given that Sikh numbers among united Punjab recruits fluctuated between 13.6% to 20% then it was physically impossible for Sikhs to be more than 10% of that united India-Pakistan British Empire Army. Bear in mind that Sikhs were less than 1% of the united Indian population in the 19th century and were only 1.5% of the total pre-partition population of united India and only one in seven Punjabi's was even Sikh in the 1940's.

It is obviously correct that Sikhs punch above our weight on most things such as langar provision, charitable sewa and I won't disagree with you that Sikhs are obviously over-represented in the current Indian Army and officer ranks as well as awards for bravery against invasions by Pakistan and China.

However, to parrot the same RSS and RAW agenda by inflating Sikh percentages prior to 1947 is nonsensical and harmful to the Sikh Panth given that provably at no point between 1849-1947 did more than 5% of economically less well off Sikhs enlist for the British for monetary reasons - and thus the the 95% silent majority of Sikhs oppressed by the racist British Empire cannot be falsely portrayed as lapdogs of the racist British Empire as your falsely inflated numbers seek to do.

After 1947 (but before 1984) Sikhs were indeed between 30-60% of the defenders in certain key defensive battles against Pakistan and China.

The total contribution of Sikhs in India's struggle for freedom is revealing: Out of 121 patriots hanged 93 were Sikhs.

Of the 2626 awarded life-imprisonment 2147 were Sikhs. Of the 1300 martyred in Jallianwala Bagh 799 were Sikhs

 

[paapiman]

13 hours ago, paapiman said:

News reports.

 

Bhul chuk maaf

@Singh2022

The above news reports are from Western Media.

 

Bhul chuk maaf

[Sajjan_Thug]

11 hours ago, paapiman said:

@dalsingh101 - What do you say bro? IMHO, Sikh percentage was anywhere between 10-30% of the British Indian forces.

Sikhs were heavily over-represented in them. That is a fact.

 

Bhul chuk maaf

Do any historians from Samprada mention the percentage or the history of these events?

Also, were there any sant/baba in the British Indian forces?

[paapiman]

53 minutes ago, Sajjan_Thug said:

Also, were there any sant/baba in the British Indian forces?

Yes, there were. Some of the them are listed below.

Sant Baba Karam Singh jee Hoti Mardaan wale

Sant Baba Attar Singh jee Mastuane wale

Sant Baba Jawala Singh jee Harkhowal

@dalsingh101 - Was Sant Baba Isher Singh jee Rarewale in the British Army?

 

Bhul chuk maaf

[paapiman]

57 minutes ago, Sajjan_Thug said:

Do any historians from Samprada mention the percentage or the history of these events?

Daas is not sure if they mention the percentages or not.

 

Bhul chuk maaf

[Sajjan_Thug]

1 hour ago, paapiman said:

Daas is not sure if they mention the percentages or not.

 

Bhul chuk maaf

Have any puratan Samprada written the history of ww1 and the contribution Sikhs made?

[Sajjan_Thug]

1 hour ago, paapiman said:

Yes, there were. Some of the them are listed below.

Sant Baba Karam Singh jee Hoti Mardaan wale

Sant Baba Attar Singh jee Mastuane wale

Sant Baba Jawala Singh jee Harkhowal

@dalsingh101 - Was Sant Baba Isher Singh jee Rarewale in the British Army?

 

Bhul chuk maaf

Did any of these Sants fight in a battle against other Sikhs?

[GurjantGnostic]

We clearly use the term Sant Baba very liberally. 

[paapiman]

3 hours ago, Sajjan_Thug said:

Did any of these Sants fight in a battle against other Sikhs?

Most likely not. 

Sant Baba Karam Singh jee Hoti Mardaan wale was in the army when Sikhs helped the British forces in crushing the sepoy mutiny of 1857.

 

Bhul chuk maaf

[paapiman]

3 hours ago, Sajjan_Thug said:

Have any puratan Samprada written the history of ww1 and the contribution Sikhs made?

@dalsingh101 - Do you know the answer to the above question bro?

Thanks

 

Bhul chuk maaf

[dalsingh101]

On 7/26/2022 at 8:19 AM, paapiman said:

 

@dalsingh101 - Was Sant Baba Isher Singh jee Rarewale in the British Army?

 

 

Yes, for a short while, but they threw their gun into a river and left to focus on Sikhi according to what my family told me. 

 

On 7/26/2022 at 1:07 PM, paapiman said:

@dalsingh101 - Do you know the answer to the above question bro?

Thanks

 

I think it is because sampardayas are mainly focusing on basic level parchaar for relatively unsophisticated pendus i.e. the majority.