SAadmin Posted September 7, 2009 Report Share Posted September 7, 2009 Char padarath, je ko mange Sadh jana ki, seva lage || Char padarth are known as: 1. Dharam - Discipline. Understanding of his or her duties i.e virtues(Ethics) 2. Arath - Assets. he or she has no shortage of money, precious metals, pearls etc & has obtained the desired wealth. 3. Kaam - Desire. His or her all desired gets fulfilled from marriage to children. 4. Moksh - Liberation. He or she attains emancipation. After reading the above pankti it just seems like marg of sadh jana ki seva is also parvan in Sikhi. Now main question comes down to, what is context of seva of sadh jana in this above pankiti? is it simply doing seva of singular sadh? or is it doing seva of everyone seeing jot of sadh/murshid in everyone? or above pankiti means seva of sadh sangat/sat sangat. Please discuss..! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matheen Posted September 7, 2009 Report Share Posted September 7, 2009 I think it's seva of Guru Sahib and Guru ji's sangat - including all that you mention above. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drawrof Posted September 7, 2009 Report Share Posted September 7, 2009 I think sadh janna are those people who have done the kirat that has resulted in them being blessed with brahm gyan....I don't think this is limited to any one 'mat', but it would seem natural for a person to be more drawn to an individual who is walking the path of their own guru/murshi/baba and their respective 'mat' 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaheediyan Posted September 8, 2009 Report Share Posted September 8, 2009 (edited) drawof - Bingo. Ultimately - after doing seva of 'Sadhs' one becomes a Sadh himself - question is - what seva does a Sadh perform... Service to humanity - he breaks the bounderies of singular religion - a great example was Baba Nand Singh Ji Maharaj - who gave spritual enlightenment to Sikhs, Muslims and Hindues alike - even gifting them their own respective sacred texts with blessings... Lately, having seen Swami Parmanand - I feel they also follow this true Sadh lifestyle - giving help to Sikhs and Hindus alike.. Rumi Sahib were the same - their higher level consciousness attracting Jew, Christian and Muslim alike... Edited September 8, 2009 by shaheediyan 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mokhamsingh Posted May 29, 2012 Report Share Posted May 29, 2012 Khalsa Ji Good post. Personally I would say that Moksh can only be obtained upon losing one's vaashna and one cannot lose vaashna without meditating on Waheguru. The Sadh jan seva would be to obtain an understanding of seva and simrann from enlightened Sadh Jan. They would show the devotee the value of Naam and the devotee's seva would bring about nimrtah. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PAL 07 Posted September 20, 2012 Report Share Posted September 20, 2012 Antreev Char Padarth:- 1) Janam Padarth 2) Naam Padarth 3: Prem Padarth 4) Brahmgian Padarth 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SAadmin Posted September 20, 2012 Author Report Share Posted September 20, 2012 wow thats great info..didn't know about that..please keep sharing more gems..!! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PAL 07 Posted May 20, 2013 Report Share Posted May 20, 2013 Khalsa Ji Good post. Personally I would say that Moksh can only be obtained upon losing one's vaashna and one cannot lose vaashna without meditating on Waheguru. Moksh is attained only whilst alive. You can't get moksha after death. Moksha is attained only when self realization is attained when the malady of ego is removed and the jot swaroop is attained, ie., man tu jot swaroop hai (Sri Guru Granth Sahib) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PAL 07 Posted September 16, 2013 Report Share Posted September 16, 2013 Chaar padarath from 4 lavan Bani 1. Karm 2. Sat guru 3. Bairaag 4. Brahmgian 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mekhane'ch Jannat Posted September 17, 2013 Report Share Posted September 17, 2013 Dharam comes from the root Dha, which means that which is established and is firm, usually referring to a set of laws. Laws form the basis of any society, they are the foundations on which society is built. By analogy any act that is that is produced in the world has its Dharam or its foundation. For example a painter before painting a picture forms the idea of the picture in his mind, this is the Dharam or the basis of the picture that may be produced. At this stage there is no form or body just a seed idea. Arth, the next stage, according to the dictionary means; cause, motive, reason, utility and also wealth, property and money. The Dharam has been founded the foundation of the act has been laid. Now the general direction and aim of the act is formed. A general form is created that will act as a direction for the act to take. As in the painters example after forming the basic idea of his painting now the form begins to come into shape in the mind. As wealth and money can cause things to be done, built etc, at this stage energy comes in to build on the foundations of dharam. Kaam is desire or an enlivening desire, a something that causes life to perpetuate itself. This is where a strong desire to give external form to the idea occurs. To give birth, to reproduce the essence of the idea in a defined solid form. This is where the painter passionately wants to reproduce his painting he has in his mind on the canvas. Moksh or mukti means the repaying of an obligation as when one pays back a loan. This stage represents a payment back to Dharam for actualising the idea on the physical plane. As when a painter has completed his painting he is released from the idea and has payed back Dharamraj and is free from the idea. So until certain acts are not completed as were laid down in the Dharam stage Mukti is not possible, there is no shortcut. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gdskler Posted January 22, 2015 Report Share Posted January 22, 2015 Char padarath, je ko mange Sadh jana ki, seva lage || Char padarth are known as: 1. Dharam - Discipline. Understanding of his or her duties i.e virtues(Ethics) 2. Arath - Assets. he or she has no shortage of money, precious metals, pearls etc & has obtained the desired wealth. 3. Kaam - Desire. His or her all desired gets fulfilled from marriage to children. 4. Moksh - Liberation. He or she attains emancipation. After reading the above pankti it just seems like marg of sadh jana ki seva is also parvan in Sikhi. Now main question comes down to, what is context of seva of sadh jana in this above pankiti? is it simply doing seva of singular sadh? or is it doing seva of everyone seeing jot of sadh/murshid in everyone? or above pankiti means seva of sadh sangat/sat sangat. Please discuss..! I have been following the principles of "char pandarath" as path of my life philosophy for many years now. I believe that this Shabads from Sukhmani sahib is for practical living. Thus my definition for Char pandarath ( as I had read somewhere many years ago) is akin to one doing ardas to Waheguru seeking his blessing. My definition as per doing ardas are :- a. to seek Oneness with Waheguru. I seek for naam simraan that enable us to be "ek.." b.to bless me with Absolute Faith in Waheguru. That I will not weaver. That I have faith that HE will deliver. Similar to Law of Attraction. c. Fulfillment of one desire. let your desire known to Him. Once done that be detach. avoid moh. d. to be in or one being in abundance: be it in assets or naam, business results, sales etc. (satisfaction) The above definition "may" have been modified as to my own experiences as life progress or change. To achieve the above pandaraths then One must do :- "Sadh jana ki, seva lage ||" I used to believe as what the above threads have defined that sadh are spiritual enlightenment souls. In fact i used to do the sewa for certain Babas but I was not getting any "ummmps" feeling for the pandarat as I define above. Then one day it just occurred when I combine with Guruji 'wand ke sankana' that the sadh here means anyone that I came into contact daily be it family, neighbours, clients, etc by providing value into their life. Value is something beyond my normal duty or roles. Value here means we share ( or "wand") with someone that he really appreciate it. As saying in Sikhi " sab wich Waheguru vasanda" therefore everybody is a Sadh. Thus this my definition and part of practical living. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucky Posted January 5, 2018 Report Share Posted January 5, 2018 On 9/17/2013 at 12:40 PM, Mekhane'ch Jannat said: Dharam comes from the root Dha, which means that which is established and is firm, usually referring to a set of laws. Laws form the basis of any society, they are the foundations on which society is built. By analogy any act that is that is produced in the world has its Dharam or its foundation. For example a painter before painting a picture forms the idea of the picture in his mind, this is the Dharam or the basis of the picture that may be produced. At this stage there is no form or body just a seed idea. Ā Arth, the next stage, according to the dictionary means; cause, motive, reason, utility and also wealth, property and money. The Dharam has been founded the foundation of the act has been laid. Now the general direction and aim of the act is formed. A general form is created that will act as a direction for the act to take. As in the painters example after forming the basic idea of his painting now the form begins to come into shape in the mind. As wealth and money can cause things to be done, built etc, at this stage energy comes in to build on the foundations of dharam. Ā Kaam is desire or an enlivening desire, a something that causes life to perpetuate itself. This is where a strong desire to give external form to the idea occurs. To give birth, to reproduce the essence of the idea in a defined solid form. This is where the painter passionately wants to reproduce his painting he has in his mind on the canvas. Ā Moksh or mukti means the repaying of an obligation as when one pays back a loan. This stage represents a payment back to Dharam for actualising the idea on the physical plane. As when a painter has completed his painting he is released from the idea and has payed back Dharamraj and is free from the idea. So until certain acts are not completed as were laid down in the Dharam stage Mukti is not possible, there is no shortcut. Topic needs further vichaar.Ā Ā ""BUMP"" Above descriptions are very good forĀ Dharam, Aarth and Kaam.Ā However, i would say that Moksh is the "release" from being the painter in the first instance. and the Goal that one has to set as final target. Ā 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mooorakh Posted May 14, 2019 Report Share Posted May 14, 2019 Replying to this topic to bring it to the notice of current sangat, as it's pretty old. Was looking for the terms Ā 1. 'char padarth'Ā 2. 'chaudaan hatnaale'- 14 hattiyaan( shops) as per Gurmat. Please sangat ji, put some inputs on both the topics. WJKKWJKF 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soulfinder Posted May 14, 2019 Report Share Posted May 14, 2019 7 hours ago, Mooorakh said: Replying to this topic to bring it to the notice of current sangat, as it's pretty old. Was looking for the terms Ā 1. 'charļ»æ padarthļ»æ'Ā 2. 'chaudaan hatnaale'- 14 hattiyaan( shops) as per Gurmat. Please sangat ji, put some inputs on both the topics. WJKKWJKF Bhen ji here is a short katha clip i found on the subject by nihang dharam singh Ā 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mooorakh Posted May 15, 2019 Report Share Posted May 15, 2019 Hanji Thanks.Ā But somehow this time oh ' thand' nahi mili.Ā I mean m not satisfied yet...Ā Ā 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soulfinder Posted May 15, 2019 Report Share Posted May 15, 2019 4 hours ago, Mooorakh said: Hanji Thanks.Ā But somehow this time oh ' thand' nahi mili.Ā I mean m not satisfied yet...Ā Ā Bhen ji here is a katha link i found on the chaar padarth mention in Sukhmani Sahib katha by Sant Gurbachan Singh Ji Bhindrawale at 17:25 onwards although its a short mention but worth listening until i tried to find more info http://www.gurmatveechar.com/audios/Katha/01_Puratan_Katha/Sant_Gurbachan_Singh_(Bhindran_wale)/Guru_Granth_Sahib_Larivaar_Katha/Volume_04_Ang_0250-0346/17--Sant.Gurbachan.Singh.(Bhindran.wale)--Raag.Gourhi--Ang.265.(Sukhmani.Sahib).mp3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mooorakh Posted May 16, 2019 Report Share Posted May 16, 2019 So sweet as always... Thanks 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soulfinder Posted May 16, 2019 Report Share Posted May 16, 2019 @MooorakhĀ Bhen ji here is a few threads i have found based on the subject on other sites. I haven't read them yet but i do hope they help. http://gurmatbibek.com/forum/read.php?3,498 https://www.sikhiwiki.org/index.php/Char_Padarath 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harsharan000 Posted April 19, 2020 Report Share Posted April 19, 2020 On 9/7/2009 at 5:27 PM, SAadmin said: Char padarath, je ko mange Sadh jana ki, seva lage || Char padarth are known as: 1. Dharam - Discipline. Understanding of his or her duties i.e virtues(Ethics) 2. Arath - Assets. he or she has no shortage of money, precious metals, pearls etc & has obtained the desired wealth. 3. Kaam - Desire. His or her all desired gets fulfilled from marriage to children. 4. Moksh - Liberation. He or she attains emancipation. Ā After reading the above pankti it just seems like marg of sadh jana ki seva is also parvan in Sikhi. Now main question comes down to, what is context of seva of sadh jana in this above pankiti? is it simply doing seva of singular sadh? or is it doing seva of everyone seeing jot of sadh/murshid in everyone? or above pankiti means seva of sadh sangat/sat sangat. Ā Please discuss..! Ā Just my 2 cents: Though the chaar padaraths are veryĀ well defined in the post above...Ā and about the question of Sadh janaa kee seva laage... I think it refers to,Ā as stated in the Bani also when Guru Jee says: Satgur kee seva safal hae, jeko karay chit laavay. Sadh Jan, are also advanced spiritual beings, of high avastha,Ā who have reached that spiritual maturity, and have attained all that a jeev atma wants ast the physical level, which is to have all the 4 padarths achieved, and which can be fulfilled, by His grace, for He (as our mother or father)Ā takes special care of these needs of His bhagat jan. He gives them inner satisfaction, so that do not feel perturbered , and continue with their Bhakti without fail. As the Bani says: Nanak dukheeya sabh snasaar, se sukheeya jin Nam adhaar. O Nanak, the whole world is in distress, is unhappy, only that being who holds on to Nam is truly happy...Ā So naturally, the sewa which any true Sadh Jan, as well as Guru Sahiban will ever tell us to do, is the one of attachingĀ our surtees with that Highest andĀ ultimate Truth, the one of Nam, the one of Satnam, it canĀ“tĀ be any otherwise, look it from any perspective. SSA. Ā 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harsharan000 Posted August 15, 2020 Report Share Posted August 15, 2020 On 9/7/2009 at 5:27 PM, SAadmin said: Char padarath, je ko mange Sadh jana ki, seva lage || Ā Char padarth are known as: Ā 1. Dharam - Discipline. Understanding of his or her duties i.e virtues(Ethics) 2. Arath - Assets. he or she has no shortage of money, precious metals, pearls etc & has obtained the desired wealth. 3. Kaam - Desire. His or her all desired gets fulfilled from marriage to children. 4. Moksh - Liberation. He or she attains emancipation. Ā After reading the above pankti it just seems like marg of sadh jana ki seva is also parvan in Sikhi. Now main question comes down to, what is context of seva of sadh jana in this above pankiti? is it simply doing seva of singular sadh? or is it doing seva of everyone seeing jot of sadh/murshid in everyone? or above pankiti means seva of sadh sangat/sat sangat. Ā Please discuss..! Brother, Sadh janaa kee sewa, as per my understanding, is the sewa or sadhna to perfom as advisedĀ by those who were the perfect embodiment of the virtue of "saadhkee", just our Guru Sahiban at our human level, or the Bhagat Jan. The advised devotion by them was the one of Nam bhakti as highest. That is why the Bani tells us: awar kaaj (practices, rituals, bhakti, worship of any kind ) teray kittay na kaam, mil Sadh sangat, bhaj "kewal" Nam. I don't think Bani could be more clear in this respect. SSA. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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