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There is a much cheaper option for women which is also good for the environment and can easily be produced so that every woman and girl in India would have one at virtually pennies per person!!!
Instead of disposable pads which produce tons of waste, 
Instead of women dealing with having bloody soaked pads against their skin which leads to bacteria growth (and men thinking and calling women 'unclean')
Instead of having something feeling like diapers
No chance of infection etc at all because the blood has not yet come in contact with anything outside the body.  
One of these will last a woman several years, costs almost nothing to mould from medical grade silicone, creates NO environmental waste, is easy to use, does not leak, contains everything inside until it's removed to empty, can be rinsed, disinfected and reinserted easily, can be worn 12 hours continuously and gets rid of any need for external products!  The cost per item can be literally less than 1.00 USD maybe even less in huge runs.  Every girl in India could be given one easily! 
Obviously that man empathized with what his wife had to deal with (and all women in India) and we need MORE men like him!!!! Maybe someone should give him the idea of producing these in India...
This is the miracle item!  It resides completely internally until its removed and any fluid remains completely inside the cup.  It can't physically leak through the cup! Its impossible! 
(wearing these, nobody should have any issue with women doing seva either!) 

 
 

It all began in 1998, when Arunachalam Muruganantham, the son of poor handloom weavers in South India, realised that his wife was using old rags to deal with menstruation because she couldn’t afford sanitary pads. Muruga was shocked. But he also saw a chance to impress her. He decided to produce her sanitary pads himself. At first it seemed a simple task: he bought a roll of cotton wool and cut it into pieces, the same size as the pads sold in the shops, and then wrapped a thin layer of cotton around it. He presented this homemade prototype pad to his wife and asked her to test it. The feedback she gave him was devastating: his pad was useless and she would rather continue using old rags.
Where did he go wrong? What was the difference between his sanitary pads and those available at the shop? Muruga started experimenting with different materials, but was faced with another problem: he always had to wait a month before his wife could test each new prototype. Muruga needed volunteers and had an idea where he might find them. He askedmedical students at a university close to his village. Some of them actually tested his pads but they were too shy to give him detailed feedback. Left with no alternative, he decided to test the sanitary pads himself. He built a uterus using a rubber bladder, filled it with animal blood and fixed it to his hip. A tube led from the artificial uterus to the sanitary pad in his underpants. By pressing the bladder he simulated the menstrual flow.
Unfortunately he began to smell foul and his clothes were often stained with blood. His neighbours soon noticed this. It was clear to them that Muruga was either ill or perverted. After a while his wife couldn’t stand the constant gossip. She left him and went to live with her mother.
 
But Muruga didn’t give up. He knew why he was going through all this. During his research he had learned that only ten totwenty percent of all girls and women in India have access to proper menstrual hygiene products. This was no longer just about helping his wife. Muruga was on mission: to produce low-cost sanitary pads for all the girls and women in his country.
It was two years before he finally found the right material and another four years before he developed a way to process it. The result was an easy-to-use machine for producing low-cost sanitary pads.Imported machines cost over US$500,000. Muruga’s machine, by contrast, is priced at US$950. Now women’s groups or schools can buy his machine, produce their own sanitary pads and sell the surplus. In this way, Muruga’s machine has created jobs for women in rural India. He has started a revolution in his own country, selling 1,300 machines to 27 states, and has recently begun exporting them to developing countries all over the world.
 
Today he is one of India’s most well-known social entrepreneurs and TIME magazine named him one of the 100 most influential people in the world in 2014.
 
Several corporations have offered to buy his machine, but he has refused, instead preferring to sell to women’s self help groups.
http://interactive.aljazeera.com/aje/shorts/india-menstruation-man/index.html
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What will you call this man insane or genius?

Eerie.... This is quote from the Oracle at Temple Delphi:
Man Know Thyself, and thou shalt know the all the mysteries of the universe and God. 
 

I have actually had numerous OBEs when I was younger, which mostly all happened on their own. They actually scared me at first and then I realized I was ok, so I started experimenting - basically I just let go and let it happen. I actually wrote an ebook on the subject years ago and though it was before I found Sikhi, and hence you won't find any reference to Sikhi in the book, but I did do a lot of research, both scientifically and spiritually into the subject so there are references to several different spiritual paths in the book.

Feel free to take a look if you want...
http://www.spirit-quest.ca/Spirit-Quest.pdf

Those experiences ultimately led me on a spiritual journey to end up eventually in Sikhi. And I am about to take Amrit in Sept when I go back to India.

I have heard "sounds" during meditation / simran before... and I say sounds but I know they were not physical. But those were more like static, electricity like, and stopped as soon as I lost concentration on it. 
I was doing about 1 hr simran/meditation this evening, completely alone... and something happened that actually scared me.  I heard sounds, but it was different this time.  It started as like faint bells, I actually thought something was off in the distance outside or something.  But it got louder. And it was high pitched and sounded like thousands of bells being rung at the same time over and over. Like brass bells like the ones used for christmas carols (for those in the west you know those big hand held bells in different notes and tones) well it was like those but thousands all at once. I stopped repeating "waheguru" physically because the sounds got to be too much and I continued in my mind, but the bells did not go away. I even got up and walked around and stopped simran, but I could still hear it!!!  It lasted another few minutes and went away after I turned the TV on to have some other sounds.  I can't hear it anymore now (about 15 mins later). But it scared me.  I thought I was experiencing tinnitus or something that something is wrong with my ears maybe. 
There was no sound in the room or nearby it was completely quiet. I had the lights off. I didn't hear the sound until about 45 mins into quiet simran alone. At that point I had relaxed enough to really not even feel my physical body and since it was dark I was kind of giving myself sensory deprivation a bit.  The sound was no joke - like thousands of bells all at once. When it got louder it even kind of 'hurt' my ears (even though I know the sound was not even physically there). And it did not stop when I turned the light on and got up and even walked around for a few mins!  So this is freaking me out a little bit.
Has anyone else experienced this during Simran?? 

All right kids go into your rooms and stop being lil brats. im closing this topic.

I don't know what a shainey is... but yes like bells thousands all being rung at once and continuously... Only other thing I can compare it to is maybe a bunch of wine glasses with people running their fingers around them all at the same time. You know that high pitched resonance that happens when someone runs a wet finger around a crystal wine glass? Like that but many at once. Or bells.... its like the resonance of the bells more than the striking sound. Sound of a tibetan singing bowl is close too... (actually I have one of those here).  So it's like pure resonance I am hearing and not something being struck or shaken....if that makes sense. 

I have heard "sounds" during meditation / simran before... and I say sounds but I know they were not physical. But those were more like static, electricity like, and stopped as soon as I lost concentration on it. 
I was doing about 1 hr simran/meditation this evening, completely alone... and something happened that actually scared me.  I heard sounds, but it was different this time.  It started as like faint bells, I actually thought something was off in the distance outside or something.  But it got louder. And it was high pitched and sounded like thousands of bells being rung at the same time over and over. Like brass bells like the ones used for christmas carols (for those in the west you know those big hand held bells in different notes and tones) well it was like those but thousands all at once. I stopped repeating "waheguru" physically because the sounds got to be too much and I continued in my mind, but the bells did not go away. I even got up and walked around and stopped simran, but I could still hear it!!!  It lasted another few minutes and went away after I turned the TV on to have some other sounds.  I can't hear it anymore now (about 15 mins later). But it scared me.  I thought I was experiencing tinnitus or something that something is wrong with my ears maybe. 
There was no sound in the room or nearby it was completely quiet. I had the lights off. I didn't hear the sound until about 45 mins into quiet simran alone. At that point I had relaxed enough to really not even feel my physical body and since it was dark I was kind of giving myself sensory deprivation a bit.  The sound was no joke - like thousands of bells all at once. When it got louder it even kind of 'hurt' my ears (even though I know the sound was not even physically there). And it did not stop when I turned the light on and got up and even walked around for a few mins!  So this is freaking me out a little bit.
Has anyone else experienced this during Simran?? 

My grandmother and distant relative took khanda di Amrit from hazur sahib. 

Chatanga ji: We know very little about about Mata Sahib Deva and Mata Sundari if we think about the role they had in the early 18th century Khalsa. Compare this to the Shia notion of Fatima and the catcholic notion of Mary who have central roles in their respective faiths. Whether they administrered Amrit - we dont know really know as very little is published about their life.
The Anandpur birh of Dasam Granth from 1696 has a short poem by Kavi Mangal wherein he asks for Mata Sundari's blessings and some financial assistance for his sons upcoming wedding. The fact that a leading poet of the Guru assembly is asking her for finances might indicate that she was in charge of the finanses of Anandpur (of which Muslim sources from 1720s claim was in quite abundance!)... Much information is given in Suraj Prakash Granth but very little has been translated into Punjabi and even less in English. I bought a book in Amritsar about the Matajis which seems to collect all the references to Matajis from different 18th-19th century sources..I plan to translate it into English  and publish it online at some point.....
Challo, if there are no more questions we should probably just lock this topic.

There is no thing like eternity of Hell or Judgement Day in Sikhi.
As for the literal physicality, only the dead person knows lol.
Physical body gets left behind here, so whatever these places mentioned are not physical in that sense. 
They are probably made up of something, lets call it energy/frequency to match our energy/frequency.

Hopefully the answers will have an effect.

Oh okay so during my month, I should stay away from Maharaaj's saroop but there is no difference between Guru Amardas Ji and SGGS ji and all other Masters. I don't think, their wives and daughters were told to stay away from them during their month? Did 3rd Master told his wife to stay away from him for 3 or 4 days and all other Guru ji too? I don't think so. Did Mata Gujri ji stayed away from 10th Master while he needed motherly Love since there is no difference between 10th Master and SGGS ji.
 

THIS is what I am talking about!!!! ^^^^ And btw ALL Maryadas are man made.  If they were God Made, then we wouldn't have all kind of different Rehetnamas etc. all with different ideas. They were written by humans, trying to put what they believe is the correct conduct according to their own lenses. 
Also, you can sense the disgust in his tone above... trying to equate women with things he considers to be abominations... like homosexuality, and menstruation.  Not commenting on homosexuality, but as far as menstruation goes, Gurbani is pretty clear on that!!! Please refer to the thread where I am asking Amarjeet these questions. Gurbani CONDEMNS idea of ritual impurity because of blood. 
GURBANI = GURU and GURU = GOD RIGHT????? WE HAVE THE ANSWERS ALREADY IN SGGSJ!!!

Good. Problem solved. Let everyone do their thing. Lets be inclusive, and stop attacking each other on maryada differences. Sikhi caters everyone.
 
 
 

Who cares? Let them do their thing. If they don't like AKJ, they don't have to follow them and people who like AKJ, they follow them. AKJ is akhand kirtan jatha right? They do kirtan with a lot of instruments. I like their Kirtans and so does snatam and traditional ones. When I listen to kirtan, I don't care about jatha. I just care about how I feel and connecting to Vaheguroo.

Then where is the problem? People who want females to be in panj peyarey go there and people who follow traditions go to the place where panj peyray are men.

You have presented good points. These points should be presented to sangat from one side.
The other side can present their points.
Then the sangat can decide if they want a female panj pyara.
Some people may like woman panj pyara, some people are more traditional. We need to cater to both sides, to be fair.
imo, both sides, for & against woman panj pyara have good arguments. 
So it should be fair for all.  Thats all.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

This answer your question??? Why yes.... yes she CAN!!! ;)

This answer your question??? Why yes.... yes she CAN!!! ;)

This answer your question??? Why yes.... yes she CAN!!! ;)

the first shabad is from the Asa di vaar composition. Apart from its poetic and musical beauty the bani is heavily known for its attacks on Brahmin rituals ranging from concepts of pure, impure, idol worship, caste system, views on women etc. It is also from this bani that the famous "So why call her bad?" lines comes from.. One has to know Brahmin law in order to truly understand the bani, - but in essence: The bani takes something from the Hindu Brahmin tradition and subverts it. (Just like Jesus did in his mountain speech: They say if you cheat you go to hell but I say if you even look at a woman with a lustfull eye you have sinned) etc..Under Hindu (and Muslim law) blood is considered impure, so one has to do a ritual washing if one has been touched by blood and hence considered impure.. Guru Nanak - echoing the philosophy of the Japji- then takes the notion of impurity to a higher level saying how can one get rid of impurity by merely washing the body? Impurity is related to the soul, not to the body. It's an attack on the notion of pure/impure.
The next shabad has to be read in the same light. If blood stained clothes is something you get rid off, then why do you associate with people whose hands are stained with other peoples blood?
In this regard, I agree with your interpretations. Hari Singh Randhawa is wrong in this regard if he used those shabads to justify discrimination. No wonder the Bibia fought back ;)
 
I think the Bhai Chaupa Singh Rahitnama does have a line that says females should'n read from the Guru Granth Sahib while on their period.. It must likely have to do with what you wrote above - that back in the day the females did not have acces to hygiene products hence it was better to avoid stains of blood touching the tabiya. There is a high sanctity around the Guru Granth Sahib to the effect that many old traditions say you have to bathe fully before reading from the Guru Granth Sahib and many readers even cover their mouth to avoid spit from falling on to the letters etc.In this light it is natural that issues of blood (whether from an injury or menustration) should be considered best to avoid to prevent blood from touching the tabiya.  I see it as a practical prohibition to maintain the sanctity of the area around Guru Granth Sahib.. In this day and age with modern hygiene products it does'nt apply any longer.
 

Hi Satkirin
I like your posts and i agree the people here are ovelry nasty to you (and im a guy btw).  i can see how they belittle you etc.  i think it is because they are not able to express themselves as well as you, so react with anger. 
I don't agree with you views, but that to me is what makes them interesting.  Also I never consider what it's like for women.  I'm glad to see you and Gurpreet regularly posting.
People who come here should be able to honestly express their minds and doubts, I think?  After all, it is a 'discussion' forum. 

^^^^^^^^^^^ See this is what I mean!  How horrible a person has to be to treat us like that! Besides emotions (and men have them too they are just taught not to show them) the rest absolute BS! It's crap created by men to justify reasons to treat us bad.