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Yeh, as you loose that 'aggression' you become in calm mode.. That's one big thing i noticed was my sleep, it was quality sleep and when my alarm went off i woke up fresh (didnt need to press that snooze button..lol)..
 
I dont think veg food is unhealthy i just made it so lol..basically in all the desi food i had, i put tripple butter in/on everything lol..becasue of that 'not feeling full up' feeling....but that passed after about 2 weeks or so.. i think your getting that 'full up' feel with your increase in carbs but i always had high carb intake because of my training.. main meals i had were pasta, lasagne and obviously roti sabji..
 
I didnt go straight into eating meat hardcore.. i first introduced eggs in diet then slowly started eating meat once a week so on an so forth.. you defo start feeling 'heat' in the body which gives you that friendly 'aggression'..lol 
One thing i noticed when observing others that went to veg diet is that they started eating sh1t loads...a friend of mine went from 3 non veg meals a day to 6 veg meals a day..
It would also be good if you could share what others say about you, if they see any difference in you..alot of people would always say "whats wrong are you ok?" because i was less boisterous then usual lol..
 

@dalsingh101... Nah bro keep updating. Im following this blog just not contributing..being lazy..lol.. The only boring bit (which i skip)is your meals, but that's just me.. I'm more interested how you feel physically and mentally..  
I'm a meat eater now but 'ive been strict veg for about 2 years previously.. Alot of what your saying is spot on.. Feeling lighter, tedh going in, loss of aggression (not always a good thing lol) etc.. Whats helping you i feel is that you seem to have a healthy diet, personally when i went veg, i felt like sh1t for a good week.
Were you a heavy meat eater, like did you eat meat everyday? 
Also if your weight training as singh123 has said take whey protein.. i'm not big fan of shakes but saying that im not a weight training person i prefer bag work, push ups, pull ups, planks, sit ups etc..
But yeh bro, keep it up..its interesting an make sure you see it through, i'm surprised you haven't had any cravings. 

So love is clearly winning. All of you people arguing and fighting over trivial things( including me lol) learn from them Chol and instead of hate start spreading Love. 

I'm not supposed to enter this thread but I saw how dally posted in it I will only post once as well. 
 
Satkiran for two years you have been asking these same questions over and over. In these two years you could have progressed in your bhagti but did you? No you didn't. You kept on making these trivial threads over and over again. Did it not once occur to you that if you did bhagti the answers would have come to you on their own? That Akaal purkh may have given you the answers? Now your asking Amardeep questions and he is responding but in the end you will not be satisfied because there will still be a doubt in your mind. Amardeep is giving answers which is good and all but what if his answers are wrong(hey Amardeep I'm not saying your right or wrong. I'm just giving an example)? For he too is a man and men make mistakes! That doubt will always be with you. There are people who won't ever conform to your ideology such as paapiman and many others because they are in their ways and you cannot accept the fact that they follow something you don't preach. Then ultimately you will keep on wondering why do they still believe in what they believe in. Maybe they could be right? You show them Amardeep's answers but nobody will actually pay them any heed except people who have your ideology. Then after you will try finding answers to justify your position again and again but the outcome will be the same in the end. You will still have doubts.
I will give you one answer that will lead you to all answers. It will only work if you actually do it. 
Stop wasting time discussing trivial matter such as these and start doing bhagti. Stop wasting time on here and do bhagti and the guru will give you answers. That is the only way you can be without doubt.
 
PS: Don't respond back to this post.

Can we make this about Sikhi and Sikhism instead of discussing why such and such say certain things. I dont know why people say certain things, - you have to ask them directly... How would I know if all male Sikhs think females with turbans look like trannies? 
 
Btw regarding the Patti parmeshwar question from the other day and how you said it was opressive and represented un-equality I just remembered that the Prem Sumarag Granth says women are to have the name Devi as their last name. Devi means goddess. Is it opressive that women are raised to levels of divinity through their name while we men are only raised to levels of lions?? I think not...  It appears that there is a culture in India of ascribing divinity to the two genders though it happens in different ways.
 

Cheers for setting up this topic.
Okay you are basically pushing arguments back and forth and then you throw in counter-arguments to hypothetical arguments that havent been made yet, - to the extent that it looks like you are having a discussion with yourself.
What is the point you're trying to make ? That Sikhi discriminates against women? Or that Damdami Taksal discriminates against women? or that the Damdami Taksal Rahit Maryada does'nt actually discriminate against women, but only the members of Damdami Taksal discriminates against women because they misread their own text? Im not quite sure what is the point you're trying to make.

Check it out at 08.50
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cokjBUMdxRI

Giani Baba Inderjit Singh Ji performing katha at the Nirmala Dera in Badoo in the presence of Sadhu Sants from Haridwar and Rikhikesh.

wow.. this has really been fast tracked..lol
just a request.. please keep this goin here, as we all want to learn from both sides who come from an intellectual background.... a young soul will come here in 10 years time an look back to this post to affirm or disregard his, or her,, belief in dasam bani (or parts of it)..
it so refreshing to see 2 jeevs from different view points having a respectful discussion..kudos
in terms of bhagti and the desire to be disolved into the supreme then shakti plays little part if at all.. but for yodeh who want to serve maha kaal,all of a sudden shakti plays a big role... so shiv shakti plays a major role in this...shiv bein the formless and shakti being his manifested power..i do not see it as masculine and femine as indian pilosophy views it as.. shiv being shiva and shakti being durga..yes in chandi di var shakti is manifested as durga who defeats the demons is an inspirationl "story"(visual)but the repitions of this bani acumilates shakti.. like sukhmani sahib gives peace of mind to the saint chandi di var gives that cutting edge shakti (bir ras) to the yoda. reason i talked about mukhti is because not every jeev wants mukhti ofbeing disolved into the supreme but to participate in dharm yudh(to serve).. dasam bani is of bir ras, not for everyone but caterd more so for warriors and warriors mentality..ultimately there is no shakti.. no shiv shakti but while the "play" is going on there is good and bad..right and wrong.. gyan and agyan.....i see no difference between akaal purkh and his shakti....shiv being nirgun and shakti being sargun..its not about major praise to shakti so to speak as without shiv,shakti has no existence. with out shakti shiv has no expression...shakti is not independent but in shakti is shiv.. its the union.. the play...
thers an article on shiv shakti..ill dig it out ad post it...
also reason for scholors parroting is because the truth is consistent. if you ask 100 people what is 2+2 a hundred would say 4..parroting but truth..
for me it makes sense...but it is what it is

In a Saint is lodged the whole of spirituality. Through a relentless search for Truth, He has made his will one with the Divine Will; and working as God’s instrument, he leads seekers after truth to what is their hereditary right: Self Knowledge and God Knowledge. He may make no claims about Himself, but passes all credit onto His own master and God, yet his greatness is without limits, incomprehensible to us who live at the level of ordinary men.

- From the writings of Sant Baba Mani Singh Ji
 
 
 

In a Saint is lodged the whole of spirituality. Through a relentless search for Truth, He has made his will one with the Divine Will; and working as God’s instrument, he leads seekers after truth to what is their hereditary right: Self Knowledge and God Knowledge. He may make no claims about Himself, but passes all credit onto His own master and God, yet his greatness is without limits, incomprehensible to us who live at the level of ordinary men.

- From the writings of Sant Baba Mani Singh Ji
 
 
 

Charitropakhyan and I, a Woman
Sanjam Kaur*
I am a woman with two teenage daughters and I have recently finished reading the English translation of Charitropakhyan. The whole text of Charitropakhyan deals with different aspects or shades of a woman's nature, some good some bad. The claims by some that these are useless sensual tales arise from incomplete reading of Chritropankhyan with a fickle mind already polluted by the kaamic mud which is all around us.  Charitropakhyan should be read in its totality.  If one finds them to be sensual tales, it is because all around us there is nothing but 'kaamic' play of the dark-age, kalyug, which has increased millions times more since the time of rachna of Sri Dasam Granth. Guru Granth Sahib Ji teaches us to do bhakti and have gyan too. Bhakti is like a boat which will carry us across this terrifying ocean of fire, and gyan will teach us how to swim across this dark ocean. Charitropankhyan  read with a discerning mind will give us gyan so that we can build a strong fort of viveka to overcome one of the five vikaras called kam or lust. 
If you all read Sri Guru Granth Shaib Ji, you will understand that we are asked to reach the turiya state where we become the knower or the observer in us. This observer in all of us who is gone through infinite experiences in infinite lifetimes, and is now here in this human body and has the great gift of being a Sikh and know Guru Granth Sahib Ji as our Supreme Guru, the King of this kalyug, that observer can greatly appreciate the lessons Guru Gobind Singh Ji is trying to teach to his beloved Khalsa in Charitropakhyan. 
Let us think about a Sikh Sirdar, our Guru Sahib’s beautiful incredible creation called Khalsa. Guru Gobind Singh Ji created the Khalsa and put him where? Did the great Guru create a perfectly pure place, sterile from all vices for his Khalsa to live in? No. Guru Ji ordered his Khalsa to live here amongst everyone else, to marry, to have family, to earn an honest living. You all know that to live in a grihasta jeevan one has to constantly interact with a woman in different forms - his mother, his wife, his daughter. All you women also know that not much harm can be done to a good man by his mother or daughter, but it is the stage of youth and the problems and the enjoyments that come with it, which can either raise a man or drown him into kaamic mud.
All the young women must be able to fully understand how much influence they can have over a man. Now do you all young women, Sikh or non-Sikh, have not come across some woman who is so vile and of bad character that you would never want your husband or fiancé to even know her? Would you not try to protect the man you love from such a woman? Of course you would. We all do, just as a man would protect his wife/daughters. Try to understand, though by keeping away from a bad person may work in case of a woman, but when it comes to protecting a good man from a woman of bad character, it would not be that simple. I bet you all have seen numerous ways women try to deceive a good man or lure him into doing the kinds of things which are sinful. Would we (all women of the world, Sikh and non-Sikh) not try to protect our sons and husbands from women of such low characters? And so did Guru Gobind Singh Ji through his composition, Charitropakhyan.
Why can’t Guruji describe to his Sikhs, whom he considers his sons, different ways a woman can deceivingly lead a man down into the dark and twisted path of kaamic sins? If Guru Gobind Singh Ji said "Khalsa meero roop hai khaas" then how can he not try to protect his Khalsa from all kinds of deceit and sensual treachery of women? After all men and women are both present in kalyug and brahmacharya is not the way to Moksha. If grahasta has and can lead to moksha then who is the other very important character of the grahsta jeevan other than man? Of course it is the woman. Can any woman on this earth say honestly that the men know all about how deceiving a woman can be? A man can be as evil as it can get, as is depicted and taught plenty of times to a girl while she is growing up. But the subject of a woman's deceit is still avoided due to various reasons including the fear that such an education can be considered as anti-feminine, or being unfair to the fair sex, or fear of being disrespectful to woman.
Haven’t women all over the world, in different time periods, in different continents, in different yugas, in different lokas have done that? Is the woman of today not doing that? Do not Bollywood, Hollywood, Hindi songs and all kinds of this world’s so called entertainment industry depict that? Can any woman Sikh or non-Sikh honestly deny that even one of the scenarios told in Charitropakhyan can never really happen? Can any woman Sikh or non-Sikh say that women are not capable of behaving in such shameful ways? No one can say it. I can also bet that all women in this world would have known some female with such deceitful character as described in Sri Dasam Granth.
Women are capable of committing such acts. Just as men can commit evil and heinous acts so can women.
Guru Gobind Singh Ji is the Great King who wanted to keep his Khalsa pure, and his composition Charitropakhyan plays that role of warning the Khalsa of the challenges it might face. The supreme Badshah has tried to show to his Sikhs that the fair sex is not so fair after all and has its own share of blame to take for the ills of the society. What is wrong in such a teaching? Is it not true that Guru Gobind Singh Ji is trying to protect his Khalsa? And is it not that this is what we all women want too and is it not that all the different chritras of women in Charitropakhyan, bad and good, are true? Guru teaches his Sikhs to be brave through all that.
If anyone finds these Charitars sexual it is because of two reasons, one he is not reading the whole chapter and just stopping because some of his hidden kaamic fantasies are popping up in his mind, or second he totally refused to see the tamasha of kaamic maya around him and failed to realize that our Great Guru did a great favor to his Sikhs by trying to protect them from all the deceitful sexual treacheries of women. There is no reason for any good man or woman to feel offended by it or feel sexually aroused by it. It is a dirty pile of all of our own fantasies gathered from the kaamic mud around us which is the cause of that. Our Guru is trying to give us his hand to pull us out of this kaamic quagmire.
If one reads Charitropakhyan and feels sexually aroused it is not the writings, but their fantasies which are responsible. Where do these fantasies come from? They come from Bollywood, Hollywood, billboards, and the list goes on. Everyday we all are bombarded by ashleelmessages, overt or covert, from songs, movies, magazines which denigrate woman’s physical integrity. Yes it is true that one cannot control and stop all that nonsense, but as a Sikh you should rise above this and should be able to see the futility of all this - the evil effect this all can have on us. How can we not understand that these sound waves emitting from all the ashleel songs around us do affect us. These  are the cause of all your sexual fantasies. Getting rid of them is not easy, but if you read and understand Charitropakhyan  it is bound to  stop you from following that track and you will ask yourself, “Wait a minute, there is so much trash around me. This is not how my Guru wants me to be”. You will try to make an effort to free yourself from all the kaamicquagmire which surrounds all of us. Remember that our Guru Granth Sahib Ji does not prescribe the solution of running to jungles. We have to be here, and become jeevan mukta in the grihasta jeevan. No matter what way you look at it this is a spiritual war and Charitropakhyan is one of the many different ways our great Guru Gobind Singh Ji has shown to win this war.
Rise above this kaamic quagmire and you can clearly see that it is the kaamic mud of our minds which is not letting us realize the true purpose intended by our Great Guru Gobind Singh Ji in composing Charitropakhyan.
The content of Charitropakhyan is not “ashleel” as described by some. The details about a woman’s beauty and form wherever described in Charitropakhyan are there to explain about the twisted deceitful plan of action indented by her in all the tales.
Also as claimed by some, Charitropakhyan is not an attack on women.  I think every woman should read Charitropakhyan and I assure all the Sikh women that you will not at all feel offended because Guru Gobind Singh Ji is not criticizing women. Once a woman has read Charitropakhyan in all its totality only then she can come to her conclusions about the main idea and teaching that this composition intends. In it she will find help, a guide, an eye opener, for the good men in her life, not to get entrapped in this kaamic pitfall. We all know that a woman of bad character can make the dark hole of sin appear like a paradise to an unsuspecting man. Charitropakhyan opens his eyes and shows him that it is a dark hole of sin and nothing else. This is one of the numerous gifts of Guru Gobind Singh Ji to his beautiful Khalsa. It is my request to all Sikh women that do not take it personally. I want to ask all Sikh women that you all know quite well the extents of the great goodness of a woman’s heart, and you all also realize the devious and deceiving plans a woman is capable of plotting. There is not only the good heroine in the movie there is also a female villain, a vamp. Now project this to a real life. Don’t you believe that there are real life female villains too who are amongst us all? I am sure you can come up with many examples where a female character is evil beyond description. Once again I will humbly request all the Sikh women to read the Charitropakhyan in its totality.
You would be surprised as how much Guru Gobind Singh Ji loved his Khalsa and how he will always protect him. After all it is Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa. It is not some ordinary distinction. It is the greatest honor.
For those who think that Charitropakhyan cannot be read in front of their daughters and wives, probably do not understand that the intention of Guru Gobind Singh Ji in writing Charitropakhyan is not to insult women but to make men and women both understand how deceitful and devious a woman's character can be. I would request these people to sit with their wives or daughters or any other women dear and near to them and ‘finish’ reading Chritropankhyan. I am pretty sure no one will feel offended. There is one condition though - that you have to finish reading the whole tales. Why? Because, its only at the end of the tale that you will realize the warning which is given to a person to protect his honor.
Only after reading the whole of Charitropakhyan you will be saying “Oh my Great Guru Gobind Singh, you are amazing!”
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Women do that all the time which rich guys - of their own volition too:
 

 
 

http://dailysikhupdates.com/dasam-granth-guru-gobind-singh/
 
The following Sikhs are among the greatest scholars of Sikh history and Gurbani who believed Dasam Granth or once known as ‘Dasvien Patshah Ka Granth’ to be the work of Sri Guru Gobind Singh Ji. For a detailed report on historical evidences see: Evidence
Poet Senapat(1711) Senapati was a court poet of Guru Gobind Singh Ji, mentions Dasam Granth in his work Sri Gur Sobha.
Poet Senapat Mentioned Guru Gobind Singh and Akal Purakh Conversation in his Granth
Bhai Chaupa Singh mentions it in his Rehitnama (Early 18th Century)
Bhai Nand Lal Rehitnama/TankhahNama (Early 18th Century)
Bhai Prahlad Singh in his Rehitnama
Guru Mahima – Poet Chand Svarankaar(Early 18th Century)
Poet Chaand Svarkaar was Court Poet of Guru Gobind Singh.
Chandd Narbad Singh Bhatt(Early 18th Century) Court Poet of Guru Gobind Singh
Bava Seva Dass (1741) in Parchi Gobind Singh Ki
Koer Singh Kalal(1751) in Gurbilas Patshahi 10
Kavi Darbar Asthan
Kesar Singh Chibber (1769) BansavaliNama Dasan Patshahi Ka
Sarup Chand Bhalla (1776) in Sri Guru Mahima Parkash
Svaroop Singh Kausish (1790) Guru Kian Sakhian
Giani Sukkha Singh (1797) Gurbilas Patshahi 10
Kavi Kankan(Late 18th Century) in Das Guru Katha
JB Malcolm (1812) in Sketch of Sikhs
  Bhai Mani Singh Shaheed Bilas
Kavi Santokh Singh in Gurpartap Suraj Granth
Max Arthur Macaliffe
  Giani Gian Singh’s Writings
Giani Ditt Singh’s Writings
20th Century (1901-2000)
  Kahn Singh Nabha’s writings
Bhai Randhir Singh’s Writings
Bhai Randhir Singh Research Scholar’s Writings
Bhai Veer Singh’s Writings
Sirdar Kapur Singh’s Writings
Historian Karam Singh’s Writings
Joginder Singh Talwarha’s Writings
Giani Haribas Singh’s Writings
Dr. Trilochan Singh’s Writings
Professor Sahib SIngh’s Writings
Professor Sahib Singh writer of Guru Granth Darpan
Sant Jarnail Singh Bhindrawale did detailed Kathas on various topics of Dasam Granth
Sant Kartar Singh Khalsa Bhindranwale did detailed Kathas on various topics of Dasam Granth
Sant Gurbachan Singh Khalsa Bhindranwale did detailed Kathas on various topics of Dasam Granth
Giani Sant Singh Ji Maskeen performed Katha on many Banis of Dasam Granth
Giani Pinderpal Singh has done Katha on different Banis of Dasam Granth
Teja Singh Bhasaur in his writings.

Do any of you guys view the charitars in deeper spiritual contexts?? ..or maybe I'm going loopy? ;)
Personally, I usually read and try to think of what quality or dhoot is being represented by characters. In most of them, and in this one, the woman could be maya. How maya can sometimes convince you of how loved and great you are and yet at the same time she's fooling you and having you play around in the drama of life. 
Most of dasam bani and Guruji's works are given for us to see the truth in them and NOT to judge them at surface levels on whether men do this, did that or did the story really happen or not. For example, the Ramayan recited in detail is not to endorse whether the myth of ram and sita is true or not, but it's the message.  .. If you look at the whole story carefully, you may see that Ram represents the True Lord in his purest form. When he is born of Das-rath (represents 10 indries), then he is bound in human kapra. Thus falls in love with physical roop/beauty of maya-Mann (when mind is drenched in maya) this is Sita. Remember that SIta is not born of human and comes and dies to the earth of Mother-maya-nature..............you see what I'm getting at?    ... Because I really don't think myths like that were reiterated by Guruji to prove whether the stories took place or not, but were given to knock some truthful messages into us moorakhs.

@ragmaala @N30 S!NGH... the charitra that was left out was charitra of maya..how maya works etc..It is said that maharaj will reveal it when there is khalsa raj  apparently lasts for 20000 years in which there will be satyug in kaliyug..
@Lucky  .. im with you on this one...charitropakiyan is also referred to as turiya (bhuddi) charitras... some are obviously what you see is what you get as in this one an unfaithfull wife, blinded husband and immoral playboy lol..
the charitras have stories of unfaithful men and women and stories of homosexuals.

Theres actually only 404 in dasam granth, maharaj will reveal the one to complete 405....watch this space..lol

Theres actually only 404 in dasam granth, maharaj will reveal the one to complete 405....watch this space..lol

I do not think it is about being gullible veereh, my mind state is that it could be just as true as it could be false.. But i look at it from neutral point of view as its obviously state karma.. im not best person to have detailed convo about this in terms of facts etc..my long term memory is not good.
When i hear about such things i always see how sikhs end up getting dragged into it one way or the other... From my own experience i have seen and heard of sikhs being in a tug of war with goreh and suleh.. The goreh are like 'yeh you sikhs are soldiers an these pakis are terrorist' the the sulleh come with there own sh1t saying ' these goreh divided us we are one etc'... I just hope sikhs stick together and not 'pick' a group to side with when it does eventually kick off..which it will