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There might be Manmat practices like caste based discrimination, etc, which have crept into some groups of the sampradas, but one cannot deny the fact that there are certain groups within the sampradas which practice Sikhism, the way it was done, during Satguru jee's times. Like for example,
DDT under Srimaan Sant Baba Mohan Singh jee Khalsa Bhindranwale
Nanaksar under Srimaan Sant Baba Gurdev Singh jee Samadh Bhai
Nihangs under Sriman Sant Baba Nihal SIngh jee Harianvelan
It is much better/safer to follow such groups, rather than a flawed/incomplete man made SGPC Maryada (which has been forced on the Panth) or cults which promote Manmat.
 
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No problem  .. My advice is that you try not look at them or ay attention.  I know that sounds difficult, because they grab your attention too easily and divert you from jaap.
All I can suggest is to try and focus on the dhun... If it's any consolation, I did go thru a little phase of what you describe. I recall the single like eye of horus. It got me curious and wanting to find out more as well. I know there is some relationship with eye of horus and pineal gland. The pineal gland is where the holy nectar of God's comes from, the amrit rus, ambrosia or the soma..   Maybe you are tasting amrit rus or will start tasting it soon?........I honestly cant recall if there was any relationship between seeing the eye and getting sweet taste.
It's supposed to be the all seeing eye, so just let it do it's business and you carry on with the dhun. That what I remember thinking to myself.  Also, try not to think about it too much and that's what I've always done if I felt some curiosity slowing me down or becoming a hindrance.    When I say "don't think about it" ,,. I mean don't let the thought of something affect your emotions. Don't get scared or feel fear, and don't get excited either....Just kind of shrug your shoulders, do ardas to waheguru to help keep your pace going....... and try and do just that.....keep going.
 
 

Daas would like to add - People who are ignorant of the teachings of Sri Guru Granth Sahib jee will say nonsense like the above (Guest wake up's statement).
 
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Only those ignorant of Dasam Granth could say something like this.

All the spiritual stuff (questions, experiences, etc) present on this forum should be pretty elementary for a Brahamgyani. If a Brahamgyani does not answer your question (to your satisfaction), there must be solid reason behind it.
 
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Sounds like to me he is going towards rom rom meditation and possibly beyond....

ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂ ਜੀ ਕਾ ਖਾਲਸਾ ।। ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂ ਜੀ ਕੀ ਫਤਹਿ ।। 
 
Sangat ji, I'm not sure if this has been discussed before. I wasn't able to find a discussion related to this. What are your views when it comes to what types of food to eat. One thing that I wonder is why does spice tolerance go down a lot of the time when your bhagti is going well.
 
ਸਿਰੀਰਾਗੁ ਮਹਲਾ ੧ ॥ 
Siree Raag, First Mehl:
ਸਭਿ ਰਸ ਮਿਠੇ ਮੰਨਿਐ ਸੁਣਿਐ ਸਾਲੋਣੇ ॥ 
Believing, all tastes are sweet. Hearing, the salty flavors are tasted;
ਖਟ ਤੁਰਸੀ ਮੁਖਿ ਬੋਲਣਾ ਮਾਰਣ ਨਾਦ ਕੀਏ ॥ 
chanting with one's mouth, the spicy flavors are savored. All these spices have been made from the Sound-current of the Naad.
ਛਤੀਹ ਅੰਮ੍ਰਿਤ ਭਾਉ ਏਕੁ ਜਾ ਕਉ ਨਦਰਿ ਕਰੇਇ ॥੧॥ 
The thirty-six flavors of ambrosial nectar are in the Love of the One Lord; they are tasted only by one who is blessed by His Glance of Grace. ||1||
ਬਾਬਾ ਹੋਰੁ ਖਾਣਾ ਖੁਸੀ ਖੁਆਰੁ ॥ 
O Baba, the pleasures of other foods are false.
ਜਿਤੁ ਖਾਧੈ ਤਨੁ ਪੀੜੀਐ ਮਨ ਮਹਿ ਚਲਹਿ ਵਿਕਾਰ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥ 
Eating them, the body is ruined, and wickedness and corruption enter into the mind. ||1||Pause||
 
To add to that, a lot of people eat mainly from sarbloh is there any spiritual benefit from this or is it primarily just an iron booster? 

Q&A: How to Train Your Mind to Support a Meditation Practice
I have been trying to meditate for six months without success. I can only focus on the mantra for a few moments before I start daydreaming, making plans, or attempting to solve a problem. How can I turn my mind inward?
Meditation is possible only when the mind is one-pointed, organized, calm, and tranquil. A fragmented mind cannot be turned inward, and so the first step is to collect the fragments by training the mind to concentrate. This is tricky in the beginning because concentrating a scattered mind is like collecting droplets of mercury—they slip away when you try to pick them up. Similarly when you try to collect and concentrate your scattered mind it slips away and you cannot get a good grip on all those hundreds of pieces.
A mind that is in the habit of running from one object to another cannot concentrate on one object for a prolonged period, and if you attempt to force it, it will make excuses and play tricks. While you are concentrating on one object—your breath, for example—another object flashes before your mind and the mind runs after it. When you notice that the mind is no longer trained on the breath, you bring it back, but before long it is distracted again. You bring it back, it runs off again. Eventually you give up in frustration.
That is why in the beginning it is not advisable to force your mind to focus on one object for a long time. A gradual approach is required. Asking a mind that is used to thinking of 30 things in 10 minutes to think of only one thing for 10 minutes is asking too much. Compromise by creating a situation in which you are neither forcing your mind to focus on one object for a long period of time nor letting it run constantly from one object to another. Provide the mind with a series of objects; focus it on one for a short time, then allow it to move to the next object in the series before it becomes rebellious.
Training the mind to travel from one point to another point according to your plan is the basis of all systematic relaxation exercises. This technique provides an environment where the mind can slow down as it moves from one point to the next in your body, so instead of suffocating the undisciplined, scattered mind, you are training it. It can still move from one place to another but instead of jumping from Florida to Las Vegas, from a phone conversation to what you are planning for supper, you are allowing it to travel from your forehead to your eyebrows, moving systematically through the body to the fingertips and toes and back to the forehead. In the 10 minutes it takes for the mind to move from point to point through the body it becomes concentrated. And this way a systematic and gentle mental training has begun.
If slowing down the movement of the mind is the goal, then why not simply ask the mind to attend to a series of thoughts at a slow pace? Is there a specific reason for confining the mind to the body and asking it to travel from one point to the next?
The relationship between the mind and the body is like the relationship between master and servant: mind is master and body is servant. When the servant sees that the master is dull and careless, the servant becomes careless too, and the body does not receive any guidance or motivation from a careless and scattered master. But when the servant knows that the master is attentive and vigilant, the servant becomes alert and active. For example, all the activities of the body are dependent on decisions made by the mind. The organs and bodily systems of an absent-minded person or a person with a disturbed and distracted mind are sluggish. But when the body notices that the mind is making its rounds, checking all departments—the brain, nervous system, circulatory system, respiratory system, etc.—it becomes alert and active.
This is because the mind is a flow of energy. When it is moving from one place to another throughout the nervous system and the energy channels, it automatically notes toxins and impurities that impede its flow, and the bodily systems involved in the cleansing process usually rush to begin removing them. Thus in the course of this self-guided journey of the mind from one point to another, the energy channels are unblocked, impurities are removed, and a deeper level of cleansing begins.
What is more, after practicing systematic relaxation over a period of time, the mind gradually begins to sense that turning inward leads to a delightful sense of ease and stillness. Searching for happiness, it has been running in the external world, often finding only disappointment and frustration. But once it turns inward and slows down it encounters the centers of peace and tranquility within—for example, at the heart or the eyebrow center. This encounter leads it to wonder why it is wasting time running here and there in the external world when the best joy is within. And this dawning awareness causes the mind to become less interested in running after the objects of the world, which in turn allows the mind to go back to that restful place voluntarily, without repressing a desire for worldly objects. The delight that it finds inside overshadows the charms and temptations of the external world. The natural and almost effortless process of meditation begins at this point.
I have been using relaxation techniques with some success to train my mind to turn inward and confine its movement to the space occupied by my body. Yet it still pulls my attention here and there. What should I do now?
The first step of meditation is relaxation. In the scriptures the process of relaxation is called pratyahara (the withdrawal of the mind and senses). The next step is to focus the mind on one object for a longer period of time. This is called dharana (concentration). The best way to begin practicing concentration is to focus the mind on the breath. Observe it as it flows between the nostrils and the heart center. With inhalation the mind is traveling to the heart center and with the exhalation it is traveling from the heart center to the tip of the nostrils. Eliminate the pause between inhalation and exhalation and feel as though your breath is an uninterrupted stream of energy traveling between the nostrils and the heart region. Then focus on the touch of cool air at the bridge between the nostrils when you inhale and the touch of warm air as you exhale. This will confine your mind to the bridge of the nostrils rather than the space between the nostrils and the heart area, and your concentration will become more condensed, potent, and refined.
Soon, however, you will notice that the mind is refusing to watch the flow of the breath at the bridge between the nostrils. Its tendency is to move outward, and it will try to slip away again. To manage this, move to the next level of concentration by providing an object of concentration, more concrete and profound than simple breath awareness. It is at this stage that the yogis introduce meditation on the sound so-hum. While inhaling, mentally listen to the sound “sooooooo,” and while exhaling, listen to the sound “hummmm.” (or using the Gurmantar Waaaahe-Guuuuuruuuu) Synchronize the sound so-hum with the inhalation and the exhalation and let your mind be so absorbed that the sound, the breath, and the mind become an inseparable stream of awareness. This will bring a higher level of joy and restfulness to the mind, enabling it to drop all other objects effortlessly.
https://yogainternational.com/article/view/qa-how-to-train-your-mind-to-support-a-meditation-practice

yes it's harmless but doing trataka on the sun can also be done with your eyes closed or just a slight squint. 
I enjoy nothing more on hot summer evenings than to sun-gaze for about 20 minutes.  It has a multitude of benefits including absorption of sun energy, cleansing and pineal stimulation.
As for GG mentioning the eye exercises and vision improvement as per bates method....of course it works!!..  ..I personally know a few people who have simply practiced vision exercises and got rid of their prescription glasses...I have had my own daughter do it!  ......The eyes work with muscles, and these muscles just like anywhere else in the body can be trained and maintained....Bates and some other scientists got fobbed off because they claimed glasses caused more damage.   With regards to that, I would agree because you ar just making an already weaker muscle even more lazy by using corrective lens which is why vision will always continue declining.

Useful tips...
 
I’ve Got One (and Only One) Thing on My Mind
The Power of Concentration
Scattering our attention becomes such a deeply ingrained habit that we hardly know we’re doing it. We barrel down the highway with the tape deck playing, munching on an apple, and carrying on a conversation—and think nothing of it. Yet we’re surprised to find we have trouble keeping the mind focused on one object when we sit for meditation.
Concentration is the prelude to meditation. Unless we cultivate the habit of concentration in other areas of our life, progress in meditation will come slowly or not at all. There’s not much point in sitting in a quiet corner for thirty minutes every morning, trying to make our mind stay in place—focused on the mantra—if we let our mind run amok the rest of the day. It’s like expecting a three-year-old, used to singing and tossing food around at mealtimes, to sit quietly and keep his food on his plate when his parents have guests for dinner. Like a well-behaved child, the mind will calm down and focus at the meditation hour if it has been trained to stay calm and focused at other times.
Simple everyday tasks are a good place to begin. Experiment with focusing on brushing your teeth when you’re brushing your teeth, for example. If you find your mind rehashing an argument with a friend, or jumping ahead to fantasies about the party tomorrow night, gently but firmly bring it back to the task at hand. Focus on the bristles moving against your teeth, the way the toothpaste tastes, how the brush handle contacts your hand.
There are plenty of opportunities to train our concentration in routine tasks—washing the dishes, making the bed, walking up the stairs. Choose several, and each time you find yourself engaged in those particular tasks, form the habit of keeping your mind centered there, taking hold of it as it wanders off and bringing it back to rest here in the present. Buddhists call this mindfulness; yogis call it dharana (concentration). Practice it in more and more areas of your life, and notice its effect on your meditation practice.
The Still Point
“Concentration (dharana) is making the mind stay in one place.”
     —Yoga Sutra 3.1
Countdown to Concentration
Caught in a long line? Instead of feeding your frustration by mentally nudging the line forward, train your concentration by counting backward from 1,000 to 1 as quickly and smoothly as possible. Too easy? Try counting backward in multiples of three.
 

Cultivating Concentration (to Support Meditation)
If you think that the goal of meditation is to make the mind blank, you have created an insurmountable obstacle to developing a rich, nourishing meditation practice. As Swami Prabhavananda and Christopher Isherwood observe in How to Know God, if making the mind blank were desirable, this condition could be “easily achieved by asking a friend to hit you over the head with a hammer.” It is not the mind’s nature to be blank, and trying to force it into that state is both futile and harmful. A meditative mind is a concentrated mind—a mind that is not blank; it is one which has become stilled by holding an unbroken, one-pointed focus on a single object for an extended period of time. In short, meditation is sustained concentration. (i.e. concentration on WaheGuru Gurmantar)
Concentration (dharana), meditation (dhyana), and spiritual absorption (samadhi) are interwoven. At the beginning of the third chapter, the Yoga Sutra explains how one state merges into the next: “Concentration is focusing attention on one object and holding it there. When awareness flows evenly toward the object of concentration, that is meditation. When in meditation the true nature of the object of concentration shines forth, undistorted by the mind of the perceiver, that is samadhi.”
Multiplying Concentration
Experienced practitioners tell us that concentration is 12 seconds of unbroken attention on one thought wave. Sustain this for 144 seconds (12 x 12) and you have reached a state of meditation. If the mind can maintain that state for another multiple of 12 (12 x 144 seconds, or 28 minutes, 48 seconds), it will have entered the first stage of samadhi.
Trying to meditate without training the mind to concentrate is like trying to write a novel before learning to read—it can’t be done. Until the mind is trained to concentrate, it will never flow into a meditative state. Yet we may avoid training the mind to be one-pointed because we’re accustomed to thinking of concentration as a mental effort, like the effort required to analyze a calculus problem. Concentration seems tension-inducing somehow, and not particularly “spiritual.” But the sustained inward focus that is a prelude to meditation is neither stressful nor unpleasant—it is relaxed, focused awareness, a state of mind that is soothing and calming, once you get the knack of it.
Making a Start
If you doubt this, try the simple breathing practice that follows. It fosters relaxed concentration and is a good way to introduce the mind to the pleasures of one-pointed attention.
Sit comfortably, with the head, neck, and trunk aligned and the body relaxed. Close your eyes and focus on the flow of the breath as it passes through the nostrils. Feel the warm touch of the exhalation and the cool touch of the inhalation. Breathe smoothly and evenly. Pay particular attention to the transition between the exhalation and the inhalation because it is here that the mind has the greatest tendency to wander off.
When your attention has come to rest on the breath, begin to count your inhalations and exhalations from 1 to 5 and 5 back to 1 again in the following pattern: Exhale 1, Inhale 2, Exhale 3, Inhale 4, Exhale 5, Inhale 1, Exhale 2, Inhale 3, Exhale 4, Inhale 5.
Work with this practice over a period of days or weeks—as long as it takes—until you can attend to it for five minutes without getting lost or confused. Notice how relaxed and refreshed you feel. This is the beginning of the one-pointed focus that, with time and practice, merges into meditation.
 

ਮਃ ੧ ॥ मः १ ॥ Mėhlā 1. First Mehl:
ਦਸ ਬਾਲਤਣਿ ਬੀਸ ਰਵਣਿ ਤੀਸਾ ਕਾ ਸੁੰਦਰੁ ਕਹਾਵੈ ॥ दस बालतणि बीस रवणि तीसा का सुंदरु कहावै ॥ Ḏas bālṯaṇ bīs ravaṇ ṯīsā kā sunḏar kahāvai. At the age of ten, he is a child; at twenty, a youth, and at thirty, he is called handsome.
ਚਾਲੀਸੀ ਪੁਰੁ ਹੋਇ ਪਚਾਸੀ ਪਗੁ ਖਿਸੈ ਸਠੀ ਕੇ ਬੋਢੇਪਾ ਆਵੈ ॥ चालीसी पुरु होइ पचासी पगु खिसै सठी के बोढेपा आवै ॥ Cẖālīsī pur ho▫e pacẖāsī pag kẖisai saṯẖī ke bodẖepā āvai. At forty, he is full of life; at fifty, his foot slips, and at sixty, old age is upon him.
ਸਤਰਿ ਕਾ ਮਤਿਹੀਣੁ ਅਸੀਹਾਂ ਕਾ ਵਿਉਹਾਰੁ ਨ ਪਾਵੈ ॥ सतरि का मतिहीणु असीहां का विउहारु न पावै ॥ Saṯar kā maṯihīṇ asīhāʼn kā vi▫uhār na pāvai. At seventy, he loses his intellect, and at eighty, he cannot perform his duties.
ਨਵੈ ਕਾ ਸਿਹਜਾਸਣੀ ਮੂਲਿ ਨ ਜਾਣੈ ਅਪ ਬਲੁ ॥ नवै का सिहजासणी मूलि न जाणै अप बलु ॥ Navai kā sihjāsṇī mūl na jāṇai ap bal. At ninety, he lies in his bed, and he cannot understand his weakness.
ਢੰਢੋਲਿਮੁ ਢੂਢਿਮੁ ਡਿਠੁ ਮੈ ਨਾਨਕ ਜਗੁ ਧੂਏ ਕਾ ਧਵਲਹਰੁ ॥੩॥ ढंढोलिमु ढूढिमु डिठु मै नानक जगु धूए का धवलहरु ॥३॥ Dẖandẖolim dẖūdẖim diṯẖ mai Nānak jag ḏẖū▫e kā ḏẖavalhar. ||3|| After seeking and searching for such a long time, O Nanak, I have seen that the world is just a mansion of smoke. ||3||
 

None of us will understand this because we are in Kaal's territory.....and that means we are bound by time. Outside of kaal it is a totally different story because you can be in one part of the galaxy to the other which may be millions of light years away. To get from one to the other is instant if not simultaneous.  This means that deities, devi devtes are all present right now. Does someone think that chitr gupt are sat there thinking "we getting old dude, ..let's ask Akaal purakh about retiring"?
Of course Sant Harnam ji could have met many more, not just Jesus and brighu rishi. To say that he only encountered 3 beings from the dev loks is an insult. Maybe they were the 3 to be spoken about, but it wouldn't just stop there. Dev loks are part of the journey for some, whilst other's may bypass them completely. Gurbani tells us that there are countless numbers of different dev lok heavens.

I don't know about any of you, but when I first came across ''Pythagoras'' whilst being taught a2+b2=c2................I thought that my teacher said ''pai'' Thagoras as in 'Bhai Thagoras',.......so I assumed that he was a Bhai saab called 'Thagoras' !!!!

Holy! Ancient Indians also wore turbans and
And

Interesting links:
Baudhāyana, (fl. c. 800 BCE)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baudhayana
Indian writings talk about pythagorean theorem way before Pythagoras (c. 570 BC – c. 495 BC)



I am guessing Pythagoras was inspired by Indians quite a bit, and he took a part of our culture with him to Greece.

The highest authority for Sikhs is Gurbani, not a man made document.
Are you sure that the best Sikhs were chosen to formulate this so-called Sikh code of conduct? Recently, your dear Jathedars forgave Gurmeet Ram Rahim, Were you happy with that decision?
Sri Akal Takht sahib is suppose to have the best Sikhs of the Panth, as its sevadaars, not government stooges and other incompetent people in Sikhi form.
 
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Why are you worried about people making fake stories about Maharaaj? If people create myth stories about Maharaaj, they will be punished for their deeds,
Facts are facts, and lies are lies. It is as simple as that. It is a fact that Baba jee met Hazrat Issa saab, Hazrat Muhammad saab, etc. Sikhs will not force Muslims, Christians, etc, to agree to this story. 
 
Daas is not sure, if the above personalities came to meet Maharaaj, but Ganesh jee and Vishnu jee did.
 
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Do you have any idea who Sant Harnam Singh Ji is? 

Their Jeevan?

Do you know who the author is? Sant Baba Seva Singh Ji?

Not telling you not to question. But don't question blindly...
 

It's hard to share the experience as they are very mustana, but can come out of their masti to speak normally if they wish. Their partaap was immense, I've had darshan of a lot of sants but their partaap pales in comparison to Baba ji's. He is mentioned in the DMROG series of books, apparently sant Naranjan Singh ji (one of the sants pictured in the sant samaj photo) stated that this current sant would lead the panth one day. Sevadars told me he is called President Saab b/c of his immense tap. My time with him was very short, but b/c of the feeling I had from his darshan, and the additional boost from the amazing DMROG books, it was not difficult to believe such things about him. 

Adding to what valli singh said about baba Vadbhag Singh, he was a pooran mahapursh blessed with a certain duty within the khalsa panth.

As baba Santa Singh also said that baba Vadbhag Singh was a full shastardhari, tyaar bar tyaar Singh Soorma, including carrying various shastar with him and chakars on his dastaar etc.

Now his followers well thats a different story, but lets make no mistake baba Vadbhag Singh was a mahapursh and tyaar bar tyaar Singh.

When baba ji with the Khalsa were fighting the malesh in the afghans, he really drove them back towards where they came from. The malesh did beadbi of a Gurdwara Sahib by burning it down, baba ji found out and took the dal with him where he defeated the malesh, then he found the ones who did the beadbi, the Khalsa then asked baba ji: 'what should be done to these paapis?' baba ji replied 'exactly the same should be done to them of what they did to the darbaar sahib'. Baba ji gave the hukum to the singh's to set them on fire while they were alive, badla was taken.

Dhan Khalsa Panth.

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Granthis usually can't they don't have enough practice but the Sants present in public's eye can. They have reached higher levels. 
These days though we have an anti-Sant, anti-Dera sentiments, even amongst spiritually wise people. Much of this sentiments are unjustified imo. Many of those Derewale Sants actually know a thing or two.
But not everyone approaches spirituality through the same methods, so you have to find the person who is into the methods you want to learn.
What is not to be confused with Sunn?
 
This is the key.
OBE and other spiritual experiences aside, the methods and practices  that Guru Sahib have given us are to help you see through the illusion of self. So you should always focus on seeing through the illusion of self even when you are not doing formal practice. At any given time, pay attention to the arising of Ahankar.
This is one of the steps where people fail most is because they fail to recognize when there is Ahankar inside. They define Ahankar as something much more exaggerated something like "boasting", when Ahankar is actually very subtle and is probably present inside you right now as you read this very sentence.
The sense that there is a reader reading this, that is Ahankar.
It is subtle.

ਸੰਤ ਕਾ ਨਿੰਦਕੁ ਮਹਾ ਅਤਤਾਈ ॥
The slanderer of the Saint is the worst evil doer.
ਸੰਤ ਕਾ ਨਿੰਦਕੁ ਖਿਨੁ ਟਿਕਨੁ ਨ ਪਾਈ ॥
The slanderer of the Saint has not even a moment's rest.
ਸੰਤ ਕਾ ਨਿੰਦਕੁ ਮਹਾ ਹਤਿਆਰਾ ॥
The slanderer of the Saint is a brutal butcher.
ਸੰਤ ਕਾ ਨਿੰਦਕੁ ਪਰਮੇਸੁਰਿ ਮਾਰਾ ॥
The slanderer of the Saint is cursed by the Transcendent Lord.
ਸੰਤ ਕਾ ਨਿੰਦਕੁ ਰਾਜ ਤੇ ਹੀਨੁ ॥
The slanderer of the Saint has no kingdom.
ਸੰਤ ਕਾ ਨਿੰਦਕੁ ਦੁਖੀਆ ਅਰੁ ਦੀਨੁ ॥
The slanderer of the Saint becomes miserable and poor.
ਸੰਤ ਕੇ ਨਿੰਦਕ ਕਉ ਸਰਬ ਰੋਗ ॥
The slanderer of the Saint contracts all diseases.
ਸੰਤ ਕੇ ਨਿੰਦਕ ਕਉ ਸਦਾ ਬਿਜੋਗ ॥
The slanderer of the Saint is forever separated.
ਸੰਤ ਕੀ ਨਿੰਦਾ ਦੋਖ ਮਹਿ ਦੋਖੁ ॥
To slander a Saint is the worst sin of sins.
ਨਾਨਕ ਸੰਤ ਭਾਵੈ ਤਾ ਉਸ ਕਾ ਭੀ ਹੋਇਮੋਖੁ ॥੩॥
O Nanak, if it pleases the Saint, then even this one may be liberated. ||3||
 
Bhul chuk maaf
 
 
 
 
 
 

Are you aware that Sri Satguru jee (Fifth Master) cursed two Raagis (Baba Satta jee and Baba Balwanda jee), when they insulted Sri Satguru jee (First Master)?
Are you aware that Sri Satguru jee (Fifth Master) cursed Kana jee, by stating that he won't be able to reach Lahore?
Are you aware that Sri Satguru jee (Eighth master) uttered that Baba Ram Rai jee will be burn't alive?
Baba Mahaharnaam Singh jee cursed him because he had insulted another great Gurmukh Saint in front of him. Baba jee would not have cursed him, if he had only insulted him personally. 
Getting Furious -- Have you heard of the term "Bir Ras"?
 
That Nindak was forgiven later.
 
The Saints mentioned above are not ordinary humans. They merged with the Almighty Lord. Saints/Gurmukhs have immense powers.
 
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