Sukh_preet

I had that experience. Body felt extremely heavy when I tried to come out of Dhyan. I struggled to lift my arms or move. Took 30-40 mins before I felt normal again. I discussed it with a gurmukh at the time and he told me it happens. Not to worry and just take it slow and easy when coming back. 

Yes if you had a desire to save your brother then if you misdirected the assassin, that will be coming from a place of truth.
If you had a desire to save your brother and if you told the assassin the facts, then that will not be coming from a place of truth.
This is known as truthful living in that quote by Guru Nanak Dev ji.

Recognizing the situation for what it is (knowing the truth) and acting from from a place of recognizing this truth (truthful living) and doing so with utmost clarity and equanimity (truthful living) is what Guru sahib was talking about.
 

And the one below is my all time favourite
 

Like the one from Akal Sahai posted by sat Veerji in experience thread or any other? . Please

REPOSTING
, I wanted to confess that Amritrass not only appears but disappears too. I had a big argument in the family about a month ago and I said a few things in rage as anger took over me, which I regretted saying later. But I lost all the amrit Rass from my mouth. I regret it so much. I was so sad. So sorry. Though I wasn't wrong in putting my point  just that in heated moment I hurt someone's feelings in the way I said it.. 
It took me a month to apologize and convince waheguru ji and make up for what I have lost. I have now got it bck but at the beginers level only. 
Please I am putting this here and in sweet taste thread, so that anyone who is going through this may not commit the same mistake I did. 
Waheguru

First of all I started my post with apologies cos I knew I was going to say something u both won't agree to as per ur conversation but veer soulfinder did I say u annoyed or upset me? I respect you and u always talk about saints so I just reminded u of one the bachans of Baba Nand Singh ji. I am sorry if u felt otherwise. 
And Prabhtej ji I don't know much about u, again I didn't mean to hurt anyone. Whatever I said was said on your face and not behind ur back, so Ninda of course it's not. U are mistaken on the concept. 
I jumped in ur conversation because I thot that I might direct you guys towards the correct path( as per my understanding) as your conversation didn't seem correct to me but if u felt hurt again I apologise and would request you to follow ur beliefs.
Rab raakha

First of all I started my post with apologies cos I knew I was going to say something u both won't agree to as per ur conversation but veer soulfinder did I say u annoyed or upset me? I respect you and u always talk about saints so I just reminded u of one the bachans of Baba Nand Singh ji. I am sorry if u felt otherwise. 
And Prabhtej ji I don't know much about u, again I didn't mean to hurt anyone. Whatever I said was said on your face and not behind ur back, so Ninda of course it's not. U are mistaken on the concept. 
I jumped in ur conversation because I thot that I might direct you guys towards the correct path( as per my understanding) as your conversation didn't seem correct to me but if u felt hurt again I apologise and would request you to follow ur beliefs.
Rab raakha

I m sorry, I don't agree. If you would not share how would you know - what was it that happened with you. How would we have forums like this??. If sat Veerji would have not shared his sweet taste in mouth experience or Anhad sounds and lucky Veerji too or his servant Veerji about auras- I would have never been motivated towards this path..
Thanku @HisServant veer , @Sat1176 @Lucky @Still nascent for not thinking like these people. 
And waheguru ji is not stupid to take away your Bhakti or lessen it - if you are motivating others on this path. 
@Soulfinder u talk so much about Sants? Haven't you heard Baba Nandsingh Ji's bachan- Joran tu Vadda koi punn nahi te Toran tu Vada koi paap nahi

Thanks so much for taking my query. 
All this disturbed me a bit though but seems to be a blessing in disguise which made me feel that I wasn't wrong in telling them ( the Right direction) .. This is what happened.
As I sat for Simran today, those circles/ waves appeared again. They were like going from big to small( it's not easy to put in words) . Inwards movement. As I continued since they appear more often now, I kind of have started taking them normally. So they were getting smaller and smaller and then as I reached there centre guess what? It was an -EYE
Yeah I got seized but then the ' Dushman- thought' appeared and Mr Prabhtej and his question came to my mind. Then I wandered that why did I see this eye?. Am I awakening as @Lucky Veerji said to Mr. Prabhtej or just because of his question that was left in my mind? Or did I see Big boss (lol) I hate it and call it crap but eye is associated so all those things came to my mind. 
I tried again but couldn't concentrate after that

This is really a limit! Who are you now?? Don't even have an Id here and now u have jumped in scolding me here. U are so RUDE Mr.. look at yourself first.. .. I have already apologised more than once. Soulfinder is my friend since long if I didn't write ji in front of his name ( which seems to be an issue with Mr. Prabhtej) that is because he's close, and he's always talking about Nazar etc which is not Sikhi, and I have pointed it before to him...  . He's cool here, realising he repeated what we hv discussed earlier. Rest all have issues. 
Whatever.!!  Think whatever u may. I see sat Veerji, hisservant and others ( 5 members to be precise) understanding my point and I am thankful. Thank u so much... I am not taking this further. 

Funnily enough I saw these white rotating rings also. They were coming towards me as I listened to the dhun. 
If I understand it correctly it is not rings coming towards us. Our surti is passing through riding on shabad as we listen. 
However I do know I was using a slightly different technique today of raising my surti higher in my head then normal. 
I was following along to this video. From 24 mins goes through Saas giras, Saas Saas, romrom, to raising surti to top of head. 
 
Is that what you do? 

I pretty much never intervene in conflict but I think it’s necessary right now
This portion of the site is dedicated to sharing experiences. Simple. No arguments, no treguni posts. Nothing. 
If you guys want to discuss something, send each other a personal message. That’s what a lot of us do. We talk directly with each other in private conversations. I would recommend doing the same, especially if it’s a personal issue. 
People who don’t believe in sharing their spiritual experiences, also usually believe in not reading about them either. People who don’t share, typically feel susceptible to their ego feeding off of the compliments. People who don’t read, don’t want their mind tricking them during their own meditation. I understand where some of you come from. 
That’s why if you share, make sure you remember it’s waheguru within you experiencing waheguru. And nothing more. 
And if you read experiences, make sure you do your bhagti in gurmat with Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji as your reference. Sharing will help you verify the validity. 
Sharing is what helped me progress. @Sat1176kept me accountable and @Lucky gave me guidance. We moved together as a family and all made progress. We all came to this site as beginners with little to no experience. We did not argue, fight or compete against each other. We cared and lifted each other with compassion. We changed each others lives for the better because we shared openly, kept each other accountable, shared our knowledge and made sure each and every one of us was doing well and on track. It was our love for one another that kept our bhagti strong. It’s hard to believe this family was formed over 6 years ago. Time really flies.
That being said, I want this argument to end here. If you need to say something to one another, send a direct message. But I’m hoping the posts after this post will solely be about experiences and guidance rather than small talk and arguments. I want you guys to treat each other with love and respect. You are a sangat parivaar. Your bhagti will thank you later. 

If I agree with what someone has said I will like. Please don't lecture me on what I should and shouldn't like. I'm not aware of liking any post with nindaya and recall only liking one post today by Sukh_preet where I agree with her view about sharing. This whole topic is about sharing. I find it annoying when people come on here and say don't share and try and discourage others from talking further. As if they are the naam simran police. It's so demotivating and infusing paranoia into people's head to think negative and watering the seeds of doubt (bahm). No one is forcing anyone to share what they don't want to and those that do are happy to do so. We will never learn if we don't ask. I am personally grateful for the cyber sangat I have met on this forum. Some I've now become good friends with and have met personally. 
If people got access to mahapursh by all means go have 1-to-1 conversations and keep your conversations gupt as you please. There is no need to be post in this topic. None of us here claim to be experts. Just simple Sikh brothers and sisters walking on the path and trying to help where we can like we wished we had when we were starting out. We don't have all the answers and sometimes keep quiet if we don't know. We may be able to direct you to someone who may know but there is no pressure on anyone to do anything.
Some people just have allergic reactions when anything spiritual is discussed as if some major sin is being committed. This forum broke the taboo topic of experiences. Those of us who shared aren't suffering or regret talking about it. Any shortcomings are our own or were supposed to be a passing phenomena, not because we talked about it and Waheguru took it away. Experiences come and go.
It is very disappointing to see newcomers coming onboard seeking advice, only to be discouraged about sharing something that maybe troubling. I think it is sad since it may have taken them courage to write and post in the first place. I've seen the same members do it again and again. If you don't believe in sharing keep out of the this topic. Stop enforcing your views on others. 
We have all had some kind of experience whether big or small. When you first encounter something strange and out of the ordinary it does trouble you. If it happens again well and good. If it doesn't then no big deal either, just stop being negative about it. Just keep moving forward.
Where is the average Sikh supposed to go who are not associated with any Jathabandi or those who respect all Jathabandi but are not attached to any? We Sikhs are our own worst enemy at times, constantly trying to pull each other down from the legs trying to hinder progress through indirect negativity, rather than encouraging each other and saying keep climbing.
Where are we going to learn about naam, simran or bhagti? It certainly isn't discussed in 99% of Gurdwaras near me.
I'm pleased to say this forum is one great resource for those interested on the path of naam simran. No one is on a ego trip or judgemental of those who wish to do naam simran. Everyone helps where they can and encourages where possible. There is so much knowledge contained on this site with links that has taken years to accumulate. We didn't have a clue where to look years ago. It was like searching for a needle in a haystack of where one should begin. What technique should one adopt as a beginner? What was the sounds, tastes, smells in our heads? Why was our bodies shaking etc?
So many brothers and sisters came forward and said to hell with this hidden gupt view, stood up and said we are not afraid to talk about it and are having similar experiences and issues. We want to learn, share and make progress. As we found more information on the path we shared so other's don't waste time searching like we had to. Hopefully what is being shared is helping those start their journey quicker than if everyone was working at it alone. So much time is wasted looking for answers or direction.
Bravo friends, God bless you all.... 
Waheguru kirpa karan.

Kudi hoke 2-3 vaari Sorry, apologize bolgi agli. Hor kedi dust leni Tu veere?? 
Sangat here is really helpful. We should not bring our egos in between. 
Anyway I was planning to share an experience here today and let's bring the thread to it's real form. 
As moorakh bhn shared levels of amrit Rass yesterday, I wanted to confess that Amritrass not only appears but disappears too. I had a big argument in the family about a month ago and I said a few things in rage as anger took over me, which I regretted saying later. But I lost all the amrit Rass from my mouth. I regret it so much. I was so sad. So sorry. Though I wasn't wrong in putting my point  just that in heated moment I hurt someone's feelings in the way I said it.. 
It took me a month to apologize and convince waheguru ji and make up for what I have lost. I have now got it bck but at the beginers level only. 
Please I am putting this here and in sweet taste thread, so that anyone who is going through this may not commit the same mistake I did. 
Waheguru

I think I know what you mean...  They start off small from distance and get bigger as if you moving into them or may appear as if waves are coming towards you.  ALSO, the opposite can occur and they may appear bigge and get smaller. Appears as if they moving away from you ?
Let me know if it's this?
 

First of all I started my post with apologies cos I knew I was going to say something u both won't agree to as per ur conversation but veer soulfinder did I say u annoyed or upset me? I respect you and u always talk about saints so I just reminded u of one the bachans of Baba Nand Singh ji. I am sorry if u felt otherwise. 
And Prabhtej ji I don't know much about u, again I didn't mean to hurt anyone. Whatever I said was said on your face and not behind ur back, so Ninda of course it's not. U are mistaken on the concept. 
I jumped in ur conversation because I thot that I might direct you guys towards the correct path( as per my understanding) as your conversation didn't seem correct to me but if u felt hurt again I apologise and would request you to follow ur beliefs.
Rab raakha

I m sorry, I don't agree. If you would not share how would you know - what was it that happened with you. How would we have forums like this??. If sat Veerji would have not shared his sweet taste in mouth experience or Anhad sounds and lucky Veerji too or his servant Veerji about auras- I would have never been motivated towards this path..
Thanku @HisServant veer , @Sat1176 @Lucky @Still nascent for not thinking like these people. 
And waheguru ji is not stupid to take away your Bhakti or lessen it - if you are motivating others on this path. 
@Soulfinder u talk so much about Sants? Haven't you heard Baba Nandsingh Ji's bachan- Joran tu Vadda koi punn nahi te Toran tu Vada koi paap nahi

I m sorry, I don't agree. If you would not share how would you know - what was it that happened with you. How would we have forums like this??. If sat Veerji would have not shared his sweet taste in mouth experience or Anhad sounds and lucky Veerji too or his servant Veerji about auras- I would have never been motivated towards this path..
Thanku @HisServant veer , @Sat1176 @Lucky @Still nascent for not thinking like these people. 
And waheguru ji is not stupid to take away your Bhakti or lessen it - if you are motivating others on this path. 
@Soulfinder u talk so much about Sants? Haven't you heard Baba Nandsingh Ji's bachan- Joran tu Vadda koi punn nahi te Toran tu Vada koi paap nahi

I am so sorry for the late reply but I was trying to figure out the ans to ur question, all this while. These circles as I sit for meditation are like circles of light ( light waves) in my vision. In my mind.
As I sit for meditation I hear Sahej dhunn and see these waves - sometimes outwards other times inwards or like feel earth rotating ( I mean something is rotating- the circular motion). I don't know what it is, or if it means anything. 
Thanks in advance

Guided simran jaap. Really good. 
Simran AUD-20191002-WA0009.mp3

GURU'S LOVE FOR HIS SIKHS
Last few days as Maghi Sangrad happened we were revised of 40 Mukte. It was so heart touching to see how much Guru Ji loved his Sikhs.
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=573874730123507&id=373092366868412
 
Here's a Hindu story on how much lord loves his devotees. I found it worth sharing
Once Narada entered Vaikuntha and greeted Sriman Narayan. The Lord welcomed Narada and asked about his well-being.
Suddenly, out of nowhere, Vishnu questioned “Narada! What do you think is the greatest among the Panchattatvas, the five elements? Is it the sky, wind, land, fire or water?”.
Narada thought for a while and replied “I feel it's the earth, the land. Because she alone bears the entire weight of beings!”.
Vishnu narrowed his eyes and said “How come it's the land, when three-fourths of the earth alone consist of water?”.
Narada thought and nodded slowly and admitted that water is the greatest.

Then Vishnu said “How come water is the greatest when the great sage Agastya was able to gulp all of it down into his stomach?”.
Narada scratched his head and ran his fingers over the strings of his Veena. “Hmm, then Agastya is the greatest?”.
Vishnu smirked and said “But Agastya is just a star in the sky. There are umpteen stars in the sky!”.
Narada widened his eyes and admitted “True. The sky is infinite and hence the greatest!”.
Vishnu cleared his throat and threw a challenging look at Narada. He said “But Oh Narada! With just three strides, the sky, earth and nether regions have been brought under my jurisdiction. Then who's the greatest?”.
Narada popped out his tongue in realisation of his mistake and said “Oh Lord! I apologise. Indeed it's you who is the greatest!”.
Vishnu then stood up and told Narada “Then imagine about that Devotee Narada, who has given refuge to this Vishnu inside his heart! With his prema-pasha, the noose of love, he has installed me in his heart and captured me there, which gives the greatest joy to me. Then who's the greatest Narada?!”.
Tears rolled down the eyes of Narada and he said “It's your devotees Lord!” after prostrating in front of the Lord.
The Unconquerable One suddenly becomes conquered by the love of his devotees like Yashoda and Gopikas.
The One without a beginning or end assumes a birth to give delight to his beloved ones and makes everyone overwhelmed on his departure. The devotees weep on his birth. They weep on his departure.
The One who is the master of all riches suddenly begins to aspire for the little amount of flat rice that has been brought by the poor Sudama, or the already tasted berries of Shabari.
The One who makes the three worlds dance on his one gaze suddenly enters the ranga-bhumi, and begins to dance on the whims of his beloved devotees, like a puppet attached by the chords of love.
The One who has no arrival, or departure, suddenly arrives on the request of his devotees like Prahlada or Meera.
The One who is free from all debts willingly entangles himself in the karmic debt to entertain his devotees, and cherish their emotions.
The Complete Man, suddenly becomes a woman to honor the antics of his female friends.
The One who has no hunger cries inconsolably when his mothers appears out of sight.
The One who is transcendental and is always satisfied in his own self, cries in his own joy of satisfaction on being fed with the milk.
The One for whom no work is described, takes on his catapult and breaks the pots of Gopikas, thus making them caressed with love when they are drenched from head to toe.
The One who has the entire opulence of the universe, who has the choicest of mansions to live, still chooses to reside in t he heart of his devotee.
If this isn’t compassion, then it isn’t really compassion what you’re seeking for!
 

Sorry ji . It's just a copied article, as I found it a nice n relevant read. I will put ur question in the comments below it and let you know if I get any reply. 

Sorry ji . It's just a copied article, as I found it a nice n relevant read. I will put ur question in the comments below it and let you know if I get any reply. 

With these we can understand the signs of enlightened person.
1.
First stage of enlightenment is called as “Shubheccha”.
Here the person wishes to do good things.
2.
2nd stage is called “ Vichaarana”
I.e.here the person interrogates himself about good.
He questions him self- what is really good ,How can it be understood.
3.
3rd stage is “Tanu manasi”
Mind is thin film ,covering the Consciousness of the self.
Ie.the person becomes more thinner ,in the subtle level of mind…!!
How it's possible??!!
This is explained beautifully in Yoga Vaasista by a sanskrit verse.
Like our body becomes fat ,Even mind gets thick or fat because of ego,greed and destractions of indulgence in the wordly pleasures .
Brick is opaque to light
But glass???!!!
Yes ,through thin clear glass light can pass easily.
Similarly when mind gets purified—
When stout ego gets dissolved because of introspection and search for the truth
—worldy pleasures won't remain as a center of attraction.
This is called thinning of mind!!
This stage is called Tanu manasi.
These 3 stages are preparations for enlightenment.
4.
Fourth stage— Here one experiences flashes of lightening. That is-internal flashes of satva guna !!!
—man is called as Brahmavid at this stage.
Satva guna purifies the person so this stage is called as Satvapatti
This is entrace to the palace of Brahman I.e -person has just entered the palace of Brahman !!
Not attained Brahman or enlightenment yet!!
5.
5th stage Is called Asamaskti.
In this stage consciousness of externality of person melts with consciousness of universality.
Usually A person sees sun, moon,stars and other people out side him - Isn’t it??
But in this stage he sees them, i.e moon sun stars and people —all are studded inside him!!!
Even -time and space -are ceased.
This is a stage of detachment from externality and particularity.
This is called Asamasakti.
6.
Sixth stage is called…Padartha Bhaavana
In Quantum physics it's clearly told that matter is nothing but light!!
For example earth is not hard ,stony…but it is filled full with radiating light!!!
Yes !!
In this 6th —hiegher state of enlightenment -Beholder sees hardness solidity of materials melting and person can see only brilliance of radiant light!!
When single Sun rises from east we can see so much light fills in the world.
But in this sixth stage of enlightenment full space is filled with light ..ie not one sun . Radiance of light of several Suns.
This is called By Pathanjali muni ,in his suthra as savikalpa samadhi.
7.
7th and last stage is called as Tureeya-beholder merges with the beholding…
Ie.the enlightened person will merge with radiant light.He also gets the form of light and merges with it.Everything is one..only enlightenment…ie brilliant light everywhere.only light!!!!
This is Absolute enlightenment or Thureeya avastha!! Last stage of enlightenment.
These are seven stages of enlightenment explained in Yoga Vasista

With these we can understand the signs of enlightened person.
1.
First stage of enlightenment is called as “Shubheccha”.
Here the person wishes to do good things.
2.
2nd stage is called “ Vichaarana”
I.e.here the person interrogates himself about good.
He questions him self- what is really good ,How can it be understood.
3.
3rd stage is “Tanu manasi”
Mind is thin film ,covering the Consciousness of the self.
Ie.the person becomes more thinner ,in the subtle level of mind…!!
How it's possible??!!
This is explained beautifully in Yoga Vaasista by a sanskrit verse.
Like our body becomes fat ,Even mind gets thick or fat because of ego,greed and destractions of indulgence in the wordly pleasures .
Brick is opaque to light
But glass???!!!
Yes ,through thin clear glass light can pass easily.
Similarly when mind gets purified—
When stout ego gets dissolved because of introspection and search for the truth
—worldy pleasures won't remain as a center of attraction.
This is called thinning of mind!!
This stage is called Tanu manasi.
These 3 stages are preparations for enlightenment.
4.
Fourth stage— Here one experiences flashes of lightening. That is-internal flashes of satva guna !!!
—man is called as Brahmavid at this stage.
Satva guna purifies the person so this stage is called as Satvapatti
This is entrace to the palace of Brahman I.e -person has just entered the palace of Brahman !!
Not attained Brahman or enlightenment yet!!
5.
5th stage Is called Asamaskti.
In this stage consciousness of externality of person melts with consciousness of universality.
Usually A person sees sun, moon,stars and other people out side him - Isn’t it??
But in this stage he sees them, i.e moon sun stars and people —all are studded inside him!!!
Even -time and space -are ceased.
This is a stage of detachment from externality and particularity.
This is called Asamasakti.
6.
Sixth stage is called…Padartha Bhaavana
In Quantum physics it's clearly told that matter is nothing but light!!
For example earth is not hard ,stony…but it is filled full with radiating light!!!
Yes !!
In this 6th —hiegher state of enlightenment -Beholder sees hardness solidity of materials melting and person can see only brilliance of radiant light!!
When single Sun rises from east we can see so much light fills in the world.
But in this sixth stage of enlightenment full space is filled with light ..ie not one sun . Radiance of light of several Suns.
This is called By Pathanjali muni ,in his suthra as savikalpa samadhi.
7.
7th and last stage is called as Tureeya-beholder merges with the beholding…
Ie.the enlightened person will merge with radiant light.He also gets the form of light and merges with it.Everything is one..only enlightenment…ie brilliant light everywhere.only light!!!!
This is Absolute enlightenment or Thureeya avastha!! Last stage of enlightenment.
These are seven stages of enlightenment explained in Yoga Vasista